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Is Capitalism the problem?

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Moretorque
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » August 25th, 2018, 3:21 pm

You all try and make this seem more complicated than it is, that is what our rulers do to shift all attention away from what they have done to the financial system.

Most people are easily controlled with a supply of #'s and what the system offers pursuing them.

How did our rulers get this far with this system ? By keeping it simple and simple math has made this possible.....
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Aron » August 26th, 2018, 2:26 am

@Moretorque

Honestly the points i'm bringing up here are all relevant to understand how the economic system works today.

As for your earlier post that i did not get a chance to respond to yet, I'm watching the documentary you mentioned now and it's very informative, going through the history of banking and examining all its effects. Haven't finished yet but it's already made a lot of good points. Although I already know a good number of their points, such as how a gold standard is not a good economic system, it is not as if i always knew these things and the documentary assembles many important pieces of information very well for viewers, going over all of its implications in history in chronological order as well.

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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » August 27th, 2018, 2:35 pm

All this physco analytics is nonsense that you two are babbling about, our rulers the money multipliers created all these fields and mental tests that evaluate the human mental condition. Just look at the CIA for starters and that is a total psyop for you.

Look how they control society with a supply of #'s, that alone tells you most people are complete simpletons as far as reasoning goes.....
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Aron » August 29th, 2018, 1:49 am

@Moretorque

Didn't respond yesterday because it took me a while to get around to finishing the documentary you linked earlier on the monetary system. It's pretty great and proves the gold standard along with fractional reserve banking and debt based currency to all be horrible systems, along with showing countless historical examples of how the bankers intentionally induce large scale depressions and economic failures. Seems like back in the 1990s the quality of documentaries was much higher than they sometimes are today.

Psychology is a valid field and all the research i'm bringing up has been proven extensively. On the other hand much of psychology in practice right now is essentially bullshit designed to diagnose people with mental conditions so the psychologist can justify prescribing a drug to maintain cyclical profits for the pharmaceutical industry. Most of the important research like what i'm discussing is essentially ignored and not applied to any social systems.

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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » August 29th, 2018, 3:29 pm

If you have not seen Secrets of Money 4 I suggest it, it is only 30 minutes but the best primer to get people emotional about what we are losing in the USA and pass it along to start getting people informed about what has been going on over the millennia.

America never really existed, they left us some documents and the sheople went to sleep not realizing how to use them for the benefit of society..... .
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by CodeHarder » September 4th, 2018, 11:00 pm

I grew up in poverty blaming capitalism. I hate toffs. For example, we made slavery illegal but then the essentials of life at least where I live and basic security like housing are all bought, owned and prohibitively expensive. In reality, slavery is booming. People today are working more than hunter gatherers.

This capitalist system has all kinds of problems but at least there's a leaning towards meritocracy. Despite all my criticisms of capitalism, I've also worked under socialism. I always craved communism and socialism as an escape from the unnecessary demands from capitalism but every time I experienced those things I got out of their like a bat out of hell. Turned out they were worse.

Capitalism is far from perfect but at least it's not racist or as corrupt. Socialism just leads to grandstanding. Promoting the Mexican as chief engineer because they're Mexican and that looks really good politically even though their decisions are demonstrably draining profits.

Capitalism is shit but it's the best we've got. I've dabbled with socialist setups and every time I hit eject and understand braindrain directly in a way few other will. Then I land back in capitalism. So go figure.

If it has problems please confront but please also don't go for socialism. If you do, your best employees, your level tens that you need to become a level ten company will flee.

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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Aron » September 7th, 2018, 2:06 am

@Moretorque
Moretorque wrote:
August 29th, 2018, 3:29 pm
If you have not seen Secrets of Money 4 I suggest it, it is only 30 minutes but the best primer to get people emotional about what we are losing in the USA and pass it along to start getting people informed about what has been going on over the millennia.

America never really existed, they left us some documents and the sheople went to sleep not realizing how to use them for the benefit of society..... .
I did get around to seeing it, it's very good, it pretty much visualizes all the issues perfectly with the monetary system.

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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » September 7th, 2018, 2:21 am

There are some very brave people out there explaining how we are ruled by monetary policy. Also you should read Alan Greenspan's article he wrote called - Gold and Economic Freedom, he explains why you have to tie your money too something real. It's very revealing what he exposes about money but somewhere down the line he caved.

These are issues that need debating but trusting anybody with un-backed fiat tokens has proven to be a big mistake time after time.....
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Aron » September 13th, 2018, 1:05 am

@Moretorque

The documentary you mentioned on the federal reserve already disproves that a gold based currency can work. Simply put, it makes it easily controlled by whoever owns the gold. Silver backed currency worked in America since there was a plentiful supply. A fiat currency can work too as was documented there.

To get back to what you said on Aug 21st which i didn't fully answer:
Moretorque wrote: Intellectual property rights need to be protected for the individual, the US patent office if I am not mistaken only gives a 20 year patent which is fair I would say but the patent office has been coopted by the money changers.
That's only necessary for individuals in the context of the current system and in reality what happens with intellectual property is inventors are not credited, they have to work under large corporations which are the ones that actually get the patent and the money while the individual scientists get nothing.
Moretorque wrote: Intelligent people can make an honest civilization work with honest money but I have come to the conclusion most people really are complete idiots and I have little hope for humanity, the money really is that big of the key. Why do you think Lenin stated 90% of the ability for them to pull off their iron curtain world wide dictatorship is based on them controlling all the purchasing tickets world wide.
Yes they own the currency, but the same happens with a gold standard where the gold supply can be manipulated artificially. What's really needed is a bottom up economy focused on resources rather than the medium of exchange which is just a means to an end for getting resources to the right places.
Moretorque wrote:I am all for living in our local eco's with brotherly love and pic'in toe jam all day but we still need a medium of exchange no matter what and ending most of the corruption in this world starts there.........and by the way I do not want to be a BORG and you sound like that type of mentality, that is how our rulers keep duping each generation of the youth.... More centralized power promises NO COMPETITION equals less choices... Did you know wall street doesn't have near the amount of companies it did just 20 years ago on the stock market ?
No, I don't want you to be a Borg. I'm not promoting a centralized power government here. Wall Street's number of companies has diminished, sure, and part of that is because the biggest competitors crush out everyone else. Trying to keep other businesses alive isn't what the competitive profit motive promotes, it promotes seeking monopoly. The whole idea you are getting at with competition is that individuals should not get removed from the situation so they can no longer contribute with their ideas for products and etc, but I think an open source resource based economy would handle that a lot better as right now plenty of people get crowded out of the market even if their idea might overall be a very useful contribution. While in a resource based economy you would be free to contribute your ideas for new inventions/products/etc, there would not be a limiting barrier preventing this. I

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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » September 13th, 2018, 11:17 am

The only point I am making is you cannot evaluate any system until you have a honest medium of exchange to facilitate trade and this is why the socialist hijacked the money supply because socialism was designed as a conn from the beginning based on legalized counterfeiting. We can't help it if people sign their rights away to corporations, we have all done that somewhere. Take my step father , he is a retired physicist and he did that with the state university and Los Alamos which are the master corporation known as government which is the FEDERAL RESERVE at it's core.

You should read the article by Alan Greenspan, the point he makes is not about gold but the purpose of keeping the state in check by fixing monetary policy to something real. It's one of the best short reads on the subject.

Also there is a battle going on right now about the tech involved in creating FACE BOOK. From my UTUBE watching the technology was stolen from the DC patent office and the owner creator of the tech involved had noble dreams for the technology rather than using it as a surveillance grid. This is a modern day current story of the same thing they did too Tesla 100 years ago and many other more recently.

Ron Paul just did a UTUBE video explaining the real problem which is educating the masses about a honest money system, Bill Still of The Money Masters does not see the main problem with un-backed currencies and the Greenspan article clears this up nicely.
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