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Why are Liberals less tolerant than Conservatives?Moderators: fschmidt, jamesbond Why are Liberals less tolerant than Conservatives?The media seems to present Liberals as more progressive, open minded, tolerant and caring than Conservatives. And they portray Conservatives as backward, narrow, rigid and old fashioned.
I used to think that too, back in the 1990's during the Clinton Era. But I've come to realize that that may not be true after all and that it's most likely just media brainwashing again and their tendency to portray the opposite of what's true. Consider the following: - Conservatives that I've known seem more tolerant and down to earth. If I don't agree with them, they will still be my friend. But with liberals, if I don't agree with them, they get angry and uptight and cease our friendship. - Liberals are behind political correctness, which restricts free speech and often impedes the truth too, so that you can't be too honest around PC people. To me, that's an attempt to take away my freedom and free speech. - Liberals are behind multi-culturalism, which has proven to be a disaster. Races tend to stick in cliques and there is hostile tension between them, like in LA for example. It's brought down society and made it very segregated. On the other hand, in the 1950's, when America was predominantly all white, the country was the most successful and prosperous and efficient. There was no breakdown of society and culture, or segregation. - Liberals are also behind feminism, which instills a man-hating attitude in women which makes them very unfeminine and unattractive to men. No normal guy likes masculine women. Neither extreme on either side is good. And as a Libertarian, I'm not for either Liberals or Conservatives. But that's my take on it. Winston
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"12. (fr) Those who are most sensitive about “politically incorrect†terminology are not the average black ghettodweller, Asian immigrant, abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of whom do not even belong to any “oppressed†group but come from privileged strata of society. Political correctness has its stronghold among university professors, who have secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual white males from middle- to upper-middle-class families." http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf That's very true. I read that treatise a long time ago. It was very intellectual and impressive. It's hard to believe that that guy was sending out bombs through the mail. He seemed too smart for that. I wonder if there's any conspiracy behind that. When he got arrested, he looked like he didn't even care.
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See my HA Ebook and Join Our Dating Sites to support us! "It takes far less effort to find and move to the society that has what you want than it does to try to reconstruct an existing society to match your standards." - Harry Browne, How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World It's one of the most insightful essays I have read. He was a child prodigy and a mathematical genius. He could have been a math professor at the University of Berkeley which is the most prestigious math department in the world along with Princeton.
His writings have been compiled in the book "Technological Slavery". His thesis is that freedom and technology are not compatible and we need to return to a more simple form of life.
Sorry, Kaczynski Not a Good SourceFor the life of me, I don't understand why anyone would use the ramblings of a terrorist to explain our political culture. Sorry, this is just beyond the pale to me. (Yeah, we're all freethinking here, but...f**k!)
If you want a good discussion of the Right v. Left dynamic from one of the greatest public intellectuals of our time, and who has written extensively and clearly on the subject for a long time, I suggest you first reference Dr. Thomas Sowell. http://www.tsowell.com/ Here's just a little of what he has to say, all in one, everyday, humdrum column: There. He just gave you the strongest case for liberty you ever heard, but will not be taught in the schools. No bombs required. Read the rest here. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that all was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, and make it possible.
-T.E. Lawrence I like reading sources like Kaczynski because he was an independent thinker and wasn't a bureaucrat or a pencil pusher. I really haven't seen anything that profound coming out of an institute. Institutes serve their elite sponsors and the employees automatically adopt the correct mindset so that they can pay their mortgage and raise their children. We have seen the disadvantage of the liberals, but the conservatives tend to be stilted and comformist to a society that doesn't work.
Kaczynski on conservatives: "50. (fr) The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can’t make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values."
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Sowell's theoretical musings -- and similar hot air from Milton Friedman and the rest of the "free market" theorists -- are ahistorical and completely unhinged from actual politics on the ground in the US. In current-day America they serve only one function -- as cover for the predations of the financial sector and the rest of the corporate oligarchy.
No, I think you're more likely to get something approximating truth from a misfit outsider such as Kascynski than you are from these comfy old house apologists for wealth and power. And I speak as someone who once was the latter, as an employee of the Heritage Foundation and a Republican congressman, and editorial writer for a couple of conservative newspapers.
Re:I know, I know the "false Left/Right paradigm." So, you are convinced of this and cannot imagine anything of value from the incredible amount of material written by both the left and right think tanks.
I read Kaczynski's manifesto in 1993, when you could only get it in libraries because the newspapers wouldn't publish it. Sorry, I was not impressed then and found what he said a rehash a certain libertarian/environmental themes that were better said elswhere and well before Ted escaped the Harvard MKULTRA lab and set up shop in Montana. (Szasz, Albee, Lasch, Rothbard) Oh, and it appears that he has inspired greatness. Parts of the manifesto written by the suspect in Norway's terrorist attack were taken almost word for word from the writings of "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski. The passages copied by Anders Behring Breivik appear in the first few pages of Kaczynski's manifesto. Breivik changed a Kaczynski screed on leftism and what he considered to be leftists' "feelings of inferiority" -- mainly by substituting the words "multiculturalism" or "cultural Marxism" for "leftism." In the same article: Former FBI Agent Terry Turchie, who supervised the federal task force to capture the Unabomber, said Sunday that he saw similarities between the two men. "They seem to have this anger, the loner aspect, this desire to look back at the way things were and think of themselves as self-reliant," said Turchie, who wrote "Hunting the American Terrorist: The FBI's War on Homegrown Terror" in 2007. "The real problem is these loners are much more difficult to find and prevent from killing people than other kinds of terrorists," he said. So, if we are going to scoff at guys like Sowell and embrace the Unabomber, when the inevitable cause of this effect comes to my front door (because I am apparently shill for the predatory class) I hope you don't mind if I ...er...defend myself. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that all was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, and make it possible.
-T.E. Lawrence
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You don't really know the full story. Apparently, Kaczynski went to Montana and bought a cabin in remote country and was hoping to permanently live in peace. He soon found himself being harassed by development interests. He felt that he was defending himself once he realized that there was no corner of the earth where he could escape out-of-control civilization. Even a dog will fight when cornered. In any case, to dismiss his works because he did something naughty is typical conformist thinking. His works should be evaluated for the merit of his arguments. And his arguments are well reasoned and worthy of consideration. The conservative think tanks are devoted to economic growth, profits, and other considerations of their masters. If there is a decision to be made between a small successful community or destroying that community to create progress, the conservatives will justify the destroying of the community and use platitudes to convince themselves that progress is ultimately better for everyone. Sorry, but I am not buying it. They are not real conservatives. I do respect the Amish, Mennonites, and other groups who have chosen the way of peace. They put their community as the premiere value. I think they are real conservatives and have more to offer than the pencil pushers.
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