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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » July 8th, 2018, 10:32 pm

People have had plenty of time to figure the con out, the Federal Reserve owners are the people who created communism socialism. When you break down all the legal jargon created by the BAR which is the British Empire you will find you own nothing. This is a renter tenant society being marketed as a capitalistic democracy.

The perto $ is pure social engineering and a major con as well, those people who are sitting on the oil have no say in how the black gold will be brought to market to fetch payment for their civilization. NO OPEN MARKETS AT ALL!

The corporations have to report to the IRS which is a collection agency of the FED quarterly to pay their taxes 4 times a year. All 10 planks of the communist socialist manifesto are in operation in all those countries in one way or another.

There is no more private property, you pay rent and taxes on everything and if you do not like it they will come get your stuff if it is worth while for them to do so

You believe what you want as they sit back and laugh at how stupid the herd be......
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Aron » July 8th, 2018, 11:48 pm

@Moretorque
"People have had plenty of time to figure the con out, the Federal Reserve owners are the people who created communism socialism. When you break down all the legal jargon created by the BAR which is the British Empire you will find you own nothing. This is a renter tenant society being marketed as a capitalistic democracy."
It's not like I said i agree with the federal reserve. America's practice of adding interest on debt and using Fractional Reserve Banking is a big issue that unavoidably creates a structure where there is far more debt than there is currency in circulation, making it a systematic inevitability that many people go bankrupt and get their properties seized. Simply because for all currency created it is created by a loan which must be paid back with interest, and at every stage the fractional reserve system is applied where a bank only has to keep 1/10th of the money they agreed to safeguard stored, while they can freely loan out 9/10ths of anybody's money to other people. Obviously a big scam. I agree very much and i will post this video which i believe is a good explanation of it in case you knew about the scam of the Federal Reserve but didn't know about the details of Fractional Reserve Banking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ayg3hbhoM

But just because capitalism has obviously become very filled with scams like this doesn't mean that capitalism itself is suddenly good. Scams like the fed fit the profit motive at the core of capitalism, at least for the people who own the banks and get all the money.

"The corporations have to report to the IRS which is a collection agency of the FED quarterly to pay their taxes 4 times a year. All 10 planks of the communist socialist manifesto are in operation in all those countries in one way or another. "
Yes the IRS taxes corporations but they aren't honestly that affected compared to your average joe, who is the one that actually suffers while the big corporations really aren't going to have much of an issue. Under capitalism, the average population isn't going to have much purchasing power in the first place compared to the rich who are the ones that mainly direct the economy.

But when you just say these countries are 'communist' or 'socialist' that isn't really true. The US doesn't have socialized healthcare and most industries are privately controlled, often dominated by monopolies or oligopolies of corporations. I'd say that's pretty capitalist. I agree with the main point of your argument, that the Federal Reserve is scamming the people and inevitably screwing them over, but I can't agree that Free Markets are necessarily going to benefit the population. In a free market, your main goal is to make money and defeat your competitors in the market, not to provide goods and services as well as you possibly can to the population. Cutting corners is beneficial to your profit even if it means downgrading your product and making things worse for consumers. And if you can beat all your competitors in an area, you're free to greatly increase your prices and gain way more profit even if that means the consumer is now getting screwed over. TLDR, the primary motive of the market system is competition and inevitably tends towards monopolies. Even these sorts of scams like the Federal Reserve are encouraged by the system, because inevitably if you gain enough economic power with your corporation one of the best ways to increase your profit is to buy out people in the government and change the laws so there are less barriers in the way of your economic success.

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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » July 9th, 2018, 1:50 am

All the corporations world wide are pretty much owned by the same people, example ( SONY = Standard Oil of NY ) the corps were monopolized long ago. That's why they pay no taxes because the owners created this entire system. Socialism is just a group of people who want to counterfeit money practice usury and lay claim to the world and when they can get away with it pull a Communist fake revolution and just steal it all in the name of the community.

The money system shifts all wealth to the top over time and they know this so they created the socialism communism con to go along with it because they know if they can implement the exclusive credit monopoly world wide they will end up controlling the entire world so they had to come up with such a con to make you enjoy your serfdom from cradle to grave as being the only viable option for humanity ( NO PRIVATE PROPERTY ) or privacy for that matter ( THE FAKE WAR ON TERROR ).

They know intelligent people with some balls will not go for it, yes socialism communism is for idiots. This is why they are destroying Europe invading it with the 2 digit IQ people. This is also why they are adding toxins to everything to lower the IQ in your smarter countries.

Did you know the active ingredient in Prozac was Fluoride ? Harvard did a study a few years ago and the study claimed fluoridated drinking water knocks about 7 points off our IQ's.

Honest money honest civilization, who said that ? Dr. Ron Paul that's who! Communism socialism is based on monetary fraud top to bottom. Lenin stated the credit monopoly would get you 90% of the way to communism. These peoples goals are to make a one world slave state where they rule forever through nothing but deceit and lies. That's what Socialism Communism really is, just look where it was represented first as the beneficial society for all. The USSR " socialist republic " or was it communism ? or was it neither ? according too the con men promoting this dictatorship it has never been tried correctly. Just give us one more try and we'll try and keep the casualties below say 6 or 7 billion in our quest for the proper communal society...... :D

I actually have no problem with this, they have a plan and figured long ago the sheople are more trouble than they are worth so they should be managed as cattle.......

Go read the Talmud, my favorite verse is Gittin 57 A.......
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Aron » July 9th, 2018, 2:45 am

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Moretorque wrote:
July 9th, 2018, 1:50 am
All the corporations world wide are pretty much owned by the same people, example ( SONY = Standard Oil of NY ) the corps were monopolized long ago. That's why they pay no taxes because the owners created this entire system. Socialism is just a group of people who want to counterfeit money practice usury and lay claim to the world and when they can get away with it pull a Communist fake revolution and just steal it all in the name of the community.
Have a source for where you are getting that claim, I haven't seen any evidence along those lines, 4 letters fitting your description doesn't really prove anything. You didn't really listen to my point. The big corporations own the system because they are wealthy and can just buy out the politicians to change the laws legally through lobbying, any taxes they do pay would be trivial compared to their political power and economic wealth.
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July 9th, 2018, 1:50 am
The money system shifts all wealth to the top over time and they know this so they created the socialism communism con to go along with it because they know if they can implement the exclusive credit monopoly world wide they will end up controlling the entire world so they had to come up with such a con to make you enjoy your serfdom from cradle to grave as being the only viable option for humanity ( NO PRIVATE PROPERTY ) or privacy for that matter ( THE FAKE WAR ON TERROR ).
You haven't really demonstrated how Socialism or Communism are dominating the world. Sure there is the banking scam and also the IRS. But who does that benefit? Corporations that own the government benefit from an economically deprived general populace that is living from paycheck to paycheck and unable to quit their jobs.

It does benefit the financial elite that people can't own their own homes, but that isn't 'communism', it's capitalism, if people were to own their own homes and stay there and allow their children to inherit the home later on it's no longer up for sale on the market removing market share and removing profit opportunities for the banks that want to own the homes. The international mega corporations benefit if the people are deprived and always in debt so they can't have a solid foundation to build their lives on independent of them, capitalism has no reason to push people to play fair when the fundamental profit motive encourages abusing the system.
Moretorque wrote:
July 9th, 2018, 1:50 am
"Honest money honest civilization, who said that ? Dr. Ron Paul that's who!"
Ron Paul is against the federal reserve but he has some issues still with his beliefs. For instance, the Gold Standard would render any nation that adheres to it dependent on whoever happens to own reserves of gold in the world. This is not a very good economic idea. It might be founded on good intentions to bypass the fraud of the federal reserve, but ultimately it is very vulnerable to being manipulated. Essentially, any nation using the gold standard could be ruined by anyone who can manipulate the price of gold or that nation's access to gold. Issuing debt free currency backed by the authority of the government instead of a non-reliable resource would be a better idea as that would bypass both the interest scam and the additional scam of Fractional Reserve Banking discussed in the video i linked to you.
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July 9th, 2018, 1:50 am
"They know intelligent people with some balls will not go for this that is why they are destroying Europe invading it with the 2 digit IQ people. This is also why they are adding toxins to everything to lower the IQ in your smarter countries.

Did you know the active ingredient in Prozac was Fluoride ? Harvard did a study a few years ago and the study claimed fluoridated drinking water knocks about 7 points off our IQ's. "
It's easier to communicate when you link the sources you're using. But more importantly you're kind of just going off on a rant here and not making any conclusions of substance based on your personal views and what you think's happening. If you think what you say is true about fluoridated water then what's the structure that's enabling that to be an issue? One part is the inefficiency of the water grid, if homes en mass had purification systems to filter out any contaminants in the water that individuals could customize to their own preferences, then this wouldn't be an issue, also this would soon lead into every home having water re-use systems so that unlike now where 90% of the water or so is wasted the water can be filtered and purified so that it continues being useful for far longer and water scarcity is far less of a threat. This ties into how there's no structural incentive for governments to build a lot of desalinization plants near the coastline connected up to the utility grid to make sure everyone has an abundance of water even though that's a basic human need. Same goes with making an abundance of renewable energy. Key point here is the system is crippling any freedom and sustainability. Whether or not fluoride really is that dangerous, it's obvious that improving the water system in that way would fix the problem for everyone.

As for the migrant issue, you have to realize that just complaining about the government is only one side of the story. The government creates policies that favor migrants and give them free housing and food while natives of countries are disenfranchised, and the mega corporations benefit off of this because depriving the people that are doing the jobs keeps them dependent on the next paycheck and if for example there is more crime that means more money for the police. Capitalism profits off of social issues being perpetuated and not fixed since that maintains needs so people keep cyclically buying products from the corporations.
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July 9th, 2018, 1:50 am
" Communism socialism is based on monetary fraud top to bottom. Lenin stated the credit monopoly would get you 90% of the way to communism."
Haven't heard of this before, a link would help for a reference.
Moretorque wrote:
July 9th, 2018, 1:50 am
"These peoples goals are to make a one world slave state where they rule forever through nothing but deceit and lies. That's what Socialism Communism really is, just look where it was represented first as the beneficial society for all. The USSR " socialist republic " or was it communism ? or was it neither ? according too the con men promoting this dictatorship it has never been tried correctly. Just give us one more try and we will try and keep the casualties below say 6 or 7 billion in our quest for the communal society"
You shouldn't just lump all ideas associated with 'socialism' or 'communism' in as the same. Obviously, the USSR never intended to do anything good for the populace. Communism as the ideology where a 'worker's state' supposedly has everyone's best interests in mind as they take over all the industries and seize control of all the factories and farms is obviously just a way to take over a country under the pretense of liberating the people at some later date. Compare that to socialized health care in let's say Sweden. Obviously that has shown effective results and the same can be said of the prison systems in the Nordic countries which have produced far greater mental health results than the USA's prison system. Here's an article discussing the results:
http://theconversation.com/nordic-priso ... ffed-12885
Socialism is pretty clearly not some 'always evil' thing that is never anything but bad.

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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » July 9th, 2018, 11:38 am

You don't get it, as JD Rockefeller stated competition is sin! By the way that family took over Japan after WW2 in 1945 and what year did SONY come about 1946. There are treaties that run everything going back centuries and there is only one area that has not been conquered over the last couple centuries, who do that be ????? Come on figure it out, the people who created Communism Socialism " the lie " that is just another name for a dictatorship that's who dat be.

It's a populace management system for idiots, Free and open markets will provide much better service but you need honest money as the foundation and a intelligent populace for it to shine through and guess what we have neither SO LET THE VULTURE CAPITALIST WHO CREATED COMMUNISM SOCIALISM HAVE IT.

Dude you are so lost, go read the 10 planks of the communist manifesto, that is a slave society. Own your home......what does it say NO PRIVATE PROPERTY! They just sit back and laugh at the fact that the masses are going to believe anything they are told by them through the corporations they control while they do something completely different as they blame private property and open markets for the ills of society while they gobble up the entire planet running a counterfeiting con job..

They are destroying America on purpose, it has to be destroyed and they are hoping the people will be too dumb to figure out what really happened. What does the constitution say about coining money ? Once you give your ability up to coin your own money you are no longer a sovereign entity.

You need to realize you have been brainwashed since you were born by the state and who is the state " The exclusive credit monopoly " yes the 5th plank of the manifesto operating in all those capitalist countries Corny spoke of! They just sit back and laugh at the sheople......
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » July 9th, 2018, 1:19 pm

It's class warfare to get rid and grind us all down to their wishes as they do the divide and conquer taking the planet over installing their world wide top down dictatorship, there is no excuse for this with the net but they figured long ago most people are to be managed as well you know....... As they sit back and well you know.....
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » July 9th, 2018, 7:51 pm

And another thing, they go into all these countries and tell us through the media they control they are setting up capitalist democracies when in reality they are setting up their socialist dictatorships all based around puppet governments they erect and control with the 5th plank. LEGALIZED COUTERFEITING.......and they just sit back and :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: their ass's off at how stupid the cattle be.

Take THAT and THAT!!!!!!!! :lol:
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Aron » July 9th, 2018, 8:44 pm

Moretorque wrote:
July 9th, 2018, 11:38 am
You don't get it, as JD Rockefeller stated competition is sin! By the way that family took over Japan after WW2 in 1945 and what year did SONY come about 1946. There are treaties that run everything going back centuries and there is only one area that has not been conquered over the last couple centuries, who do that be ????? Come on figure it out, the people who created Communism Socialism " the lie " that is just another name for a dictatorship that's who dat be.
It'd be easier to know where you're getting the idea from if you posted a link. If the Rockefellers really are behind Sony then sure it would be ok circumstantial evidence to draw a correlation if both of those things are true but you posted no link so i can't see where you're getting the idea.
Moretorque wrote:
July 9th, 2018, 11:38 am
It's a populace management system for idiots, Free and open markets will provide much better service but you need honest money as the foundation and a intelligent populace for it to shine through and guess what we have neither SO LET THE VULTURE CAPITALIST WHO CREATED COMMUNISM SOCIALISM HAVE IT.
But why would 'free and open markets' provide such good service...Yeah, it would probably be an improvement from now if you removed things like the federal reserve, but it doesn't address the core motive of free market economics to pursue monopoly and defeat competitors to dominate the market. And you didn't address what i said about the flaws of a Gold Standard.
Moretorque wrote:
July 9th, 2018, 11:38 am
Dude you are so lost, go read the 10 planks of the communist manifesto, that is a slave society. Own your home......what does it say NO PRIVATE PROPERTY! They just sit back and laugh at the fact that the masses are going to believe anything they are told by them through the corporations they control while they do something completely different as they blame private property and open markets for the ills of society while they gobble up the entire planet running a counterfeiting con job..
The Communists did try to get rid of any individual property, I already told you i agreed with you that the Communists used their ideology as a means to get power and take everything from the masses. You mention it as if i just hate private property when that's not what i'm saying. I'm fine with someone owning their own home.
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July 9th, 2018, 11:38 am
They are destroying America on purpose, it has to be destroyed and they are hoping the people will be too dumb to figure out what really happened. What does the constitution say about coining money ? Once you give your ability up to coin your own money you are no longer a sovereign entity.

You need to realize you have been brainwashed since you were born by the state and who is the state " The exclusive credit monopoly " yes the 5th plank of the manifesto operating in all those capitalist countries Corny spoke of! They just sit back and laugh at the sheople......
Yes credit can be used as a mechanism to get people to spend beyond their means and become debt slaves, i agree that this happens. But it's like you just don't want to respond to what i'm saying, that although a lot of your points are actually true and I agree with them to some extent you're missing part of the bigger picture in how the system is worse than you think and facilitates this corruption.

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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » July 9th, 2018, 11:10 pm

How do we know they own and control most everything ? as stated above all the countries have been conquered and are expected to abide by the treaties of the conquer'er. When did China go down ? When did Japan go down ? When did the US go Down ? When did Russia Go down ? When did the Ottoman Empire go down ? When did Germany go down ? When did France go down ? When did South Africa go down ? When did India go down ? it goes on and on and on. Who did they submit too ? The people who decided competition is a sin and want to own and control it all that's who......! THE COMMUNIST!!!!!!!!!!

The whole entire corporate structure we live under was created by who ?

The planet is pretty much a British CITI colony....... BAR = British Accredited Regency, they are the enforcement arm of the credit monopoly. America no longer exist , the government went bankrupt over 85 years ago and the people who created Communism Socialism came in and took it over and are still marketing it as America when in reality America was dissolved long ago and socialism was ramped up for the intended goal of communism the renters paradise as the final world wide destination.

You see Congress is supposed to work for " We The People " but because they gave our ability up to coin our own money they now work for the 5TH plank of the Slavery Manifesto. It's this way in all the countries and nobody has seen a list of who owns these institutions they call banks, why would that be ? because these institutions have a lot and I mean a lot to hide.

These people are ingenious and even with the net on most people still cannot figure it out. What does this mean ? Our hidden rulers are actually right for the most part and a democratic republic such as America is a waste of time for PIN HEADs such as the current crop of brain dead sheople.

There was a site called " Mathematically Perfected Economy " and it explains how to use money as mans servant. This style economy is nothing new, the colonist were doing this in the 1760's and that is what kicked the revolution off here in America for the most part as stated by Benjamin Franklin. The charter for legalized counterfeiting was issued to England's bankers in the 1690's and they will fight anybody who messes with them.

This is why they killed Lincoln, you have to understand un-backed currencies are the money supply of fascist and war mongers. What did Lincoln do ? he drove us to war with the paper money he printed. That's why the British Empire has the rights to it because they are the Super fascist and they will kill you to keep it for themselves and that is also why they promote Communism Socialism because it is pure dictatorial fascism period . As JD stated competition is sin.

If you have not seen " Money As Debt 1 " and " How Big Oil Conquered the World " that is a good place to start so you can see through the veil to try and understand the Wiz behind the curtain. As Einstein once stated the most perplexing thing he knew of was compound interest......
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » July 10th, 2018, 12:40 am

The reason I do not reply is because you do not understand the system, all the countries have been placed into bankruptcy because people do not understand economics. You cannot pay a bill with a supply of #'s. They are on loan from the credit monopoly plus interest for them to manage our economy and societies as they merge us into the socialist renters utopia they have been working on for centuries.

If America was working as intended there would be real payment, that is why the 1792 coinage states anybody counterfeiting or debasing a currency was to be put to death. If we were operating under a solvent economy we would be backing our money with goods and services and would not need the credit monopoly to manage us like cattle.
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » July 10th, 2018, 2:12 am

And another thing you are missing is corporate debt VS bond debt, go look at it and you tell me who has the power over the system. The corporations for the most part are owned by the major bond holders and the major bond holders created this system.

As stated, yes they have pretty much stolen the entire world with this con. You can back your money with anything. It is when parties agree. Lets say I have energy and you have silver and I need silver and you need energy. You just have agreements for exchange and honor your money with delivery of product and you are a solvent economy.

The people are way to stupid to figure it out as they figured long ago, that is why we are to be managed as cattle.

Gold and silver have proven to be a great store of value but as you stated in todays world they are obsolete to try and run the world economy. We have so much more to back our money with these days but the credit monopoly wants to and is making an attempt to own it all so we cannot break free and do an honest system outside their rule. They plan on owning all the capital world wide and you pay rent to them for being here on their world and if you don't like it they own the entire military complex as well so they can just give you a boot to the head with their jack booted thuggery like they do in all the countries where the sheople don't do as told by our master's.

Did you know there was over 19 trillion missing from just the DOD from 1998 to 2015 ? and that is just the tip of the iceberg on what's missing.

The bankruptcy treaty says they can do this to us, this is what socialism communism really is. A society based on legalized counterfeiting in order to hoodwink a duped dumb down toxin riddled herd and the resources our rulers have laid claim to with this system is nothing short of legalized theft period but they set it up in such a way with all their propaganda 24 hours a day being beamed at you from all directions by the power centers they control so you cannot figure out your just a tenant with absolutely no rights.
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Aron » July 11th, 2018, 9:40 am

Moretorque wrote:
July 9th, 2018, 11:10 pm
How do we know they own and control most everything ? as stated above all the countries have been conquered and are expected to abide by the treaties of the conquer'er. When did China go down ? When did Japan go down ? When did the US go Down ? When did Russia Go down ? When did the Ottoman Empire go down ? When did Germany go down ? When did France go down ? When did South Africa go down ? When did India go down ? it goes on and on and on. Who did they submit too ? The people who decided competition is a sin and want to own and control it all that's who......! THE COMMUNIST!!!!!!!!!!
OK could you please link something this time to support what you say. Or respond to things i brought up like the video i linked that explained fractional reserve banking
The whole entire corporate structure we live under was created by who ?

The planet is pretty much a British CITI colony....... BAR = British Accredited Regency, they are the enforcement arm of the credit monopoly. America no longer exist , the government went bankrupt over 85 years ago and the people who created Communism Socialism came in and took it over and are still marketing it as America when in reality America was dissolved long ago and socialism was ramped up for the intended goal of communism the renters paradise as the final world wide destination.

You see Congress is supposed to work for " We The People " but because they gave our ability up to coin our own money they now work for the 5TH plank of the Slavery Manifesto. It's this way in all the countries and nobody has seen a list of who owns these institutions they call banks, why would that be ? because these institutions have a lot and I mean a lot to hide.

These people are ingenious and even with the net on most people still cannot figure it out. What does this mean ? Our hidden rulers are actually right for the most part and a democratic republic such as America is a waste of time for PIN HEADs such as the current crop of brain dead sheople.

There was a site called " Mathematically Perfected Economy " and it explains how to use money as mans servant. This style economy is nothing new, the colonist were doing this in the 1760's and that is what kicked the revolution off here in America for the most part as stated by Benjamin Franklin. The charter for legalized counterfeiting was issued to England's bankers in the 1690's and they will fight anybody who messes with them.
OK is this the site you mean?
There are several multi hour audio clips. It'd be easier if you just broke down the basics of how you think the economy should work. And if you're just going to repeat what you said about the gold standard please actually respond to what I said about the major failings of the gold standard, like how anyone with control over the gold can then manipulate the currency.
This is why they killed Lincoln, you have to understand un-backed currencies are the money supply of fascist and war mongers. What did Lincoln do ? he drove us to war with the paper money he printed. That's why the British Empire has the rights to it because they are the Super fascist and they will kill you to keep it for themselves and that is also why they promote Communism Socialism because it is pure dictatorial fascism period . As JD stated competition is sin.

If you have not seen " Money As Debt 1 " and " How Big Oil Conquered the World " that is a good place to start so you can see through the veil to try and understand the Wiz behind the curtain. As Einstein once stated the most perplexing thing he knew of was compound interest......
I'll go with "How Big Oil Conquered the World" then. But if you're talking about how all money is created from debt that seems essentially the same as the explanation given in the 15 minute video i sent you that also explains what you have said about the fed and in addition the scam of Fractional Reserve Banking where let's say a bank is given 10'000 dollars to store from someone who wants it safe, they can loan out up to 9/10ths of that without deducting from the original 10'000, creating new money out of nowhere. The same can happen with that new 9'000 and the same with 9/10ths of that and so on, ultimately allowing them to create about 9x more money out of thin air. It also goes over what you seem to already know that all money is created by loans meaning it is all corresponding with an equal amount of debt, and with the addition of interest, it's impossible for all the loans along with the added interest to be paid back, making it absolutely impossible in the system for some people to not then go bankrupt because there's not enough money in the system for everyone to pay back all the debt corresponding with every dollar along with the interest that has to be paid back on top of that. I'll re link it here so it's easier for you to get to the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ayg3hbhoM
If we were operating under a solvent economy we would be backing our money with goods and services and would not need the credit monopoly to manage us like cattle.
I agree that money today isn't relating one bit to the actual state of what work is worth and how much value there is in a good, and credit can push people towards being debt slaves. But I think what you don't seem to be understanding yet is that this is systemic to capitalism. In capitalism, the motive is always to get as much money as you can when selling, even if you're making people pay 10x what they really should. Corruption is encouraged by the competitive motive of capitalism.
Gold and silver have proven to be a great store of value but as you stated in todays world they are obsolete to try and run the world economy. We have so much more to back our money with these days but the credit monopoly wants to and is making an attempt to own it all so we cannot break free and do an honest system outside their rule. They plan on owning all the capital world wide and you pay rent to them for being here on their world and if you don't like it they own the entire military complex as well so they can just give you a boot to the head with their jack booted thuggery like they do in all the countries where the sheople don't do as told by our master's.
Well sometimes gold and silver could end up working in a society, but it's too variable and manipulatable to be reliable. Trying to relate the value of money to labor instead would be a good idea, although the real long term solution would be rendering the monetary paradigm obsolete and making every area as self sufficient in resources and energy in possible and maximizing individual freedom. Yeah, I agree that the military industrial complex has ridiculous power in the world, and eminent domain mostly means that people can only live off the grid or self sufficiently as much as the government really permits this to happen as if there are too many people being self sufficient somewhere they can just change the laws. There are even places in the US where citizens trying to garden and grow some of their own food have been restricted from doing so freely i believe.

I've heard that much of the DOD's budget is unaccounted for but it'd be nice to get a link so i know where you're getting this from, at least if you remember a source, i don't for now.

Since you sent a long documentary you might want to watch this one which contains the little video clip i found. It goes over the issues of the monetary system along with some possible solutions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg

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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » July 11th, 2018, 3:32 pm

Your not reading what I have said to you, I have seen the film many many times you posted. Money as Debt 1 makes some points that no other video's make. Mike Montage makes these points as well that usury has created this situation not capitalism. Capitalist vs the communist is just a construct created by the ruling elite to do the divide and conquer planet wide so they can take the whole planet over by sabotaging all open markets then blame said markets and con everybody into their dictatorship where you have no say.

The founding documents for the US say nothing about capitalist or communist, it is a guide to keep checks and balances on the government which we lost long ago. The Government is supposed to work for WE THE PEOPLE but was hijacked by the people we fought the war of independence to try and break free of.

I sent you some PM's please read them. The answers for the world are created by individuals with independent ideas. The commies want you to believe it is the collective as they steal all the individual ideas. Don't ever send an idea to the patent office.

You have no idea how much these people have stolen, if you want to know where we are on energy for starters go look at the GEN PAX water car generator. There are a lot of issues here and our rulers have their reasons but things are not as they want you to believe at all.
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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Aron » July 13th, 2018, 10:32 am

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I took the time to watch the Money as Debt 1 film. It basically agrees with the points i raised about interest, fractional reserve banking, and the fed scam which i assume means you also agree with it. It doesn't address what I said about the structural problems of capitalism as far as I saw, but that doesn't mean i'm wrong.

"Mike Montage makes these points as well that usury has created this situation not capitalism. Capitalist vs the communist is just a construct created by the ruling elite to do the divide and conquer planet wide so they can take the whole planet over by sabotaging all open markets then blame said markets and con everybody into their dictatorship where you have no say."
I haven't read anything by this person. But please explain how exactly capitalism is not at fault here. I'll repeat what i said earlier, the structural motive in capitalism to seek profit regardless of social or environmental cost encourages scams and corruption of the market. Corruption is the norm if you can get away with it in the system, it's encouraged structurally. Yes I agree that open markets get sabotaged and manipulated majorly but the point you seem to not understand yet is that this is consistent with the motives capitalism helps create. Usury, making people pay back a loan with interest when you've provided nothing of value to them, may be quite a scam, but it's encouraged by the profit motive, it being an easy way to make money. When the system is oriented around being self-centered and seeing your own profit over others, it's not a huge surprise that some people then try to abuse others for their own profit.

I saw your PMs and I'll get around to them later. But it'd help if instead of just creating an information over load of your ideas, which I have tried to read a lot of like with watching the money as debt film, you would respond to some of the concerns i brought up.

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Re: Is Capitalism the problem?

Post by Moretorque » July 13th, 2018, 11:35 pm

Have you ever been in business for yourself ? You will understand why free and open markets are much better than a closed state system as far as distributing the wealth amongst the masses. Competition will keep monopolies in check on a even playing field which can only happen with honest money and our rulers know this that is why they set this system up as they did.

There are a lot of issues here, they have rigged the entire system for themselves using dishonest money. Go look at the Gene Pax water car generator, they have been keeping us on oil because that is how they control the world. Then look up what Dr. Royal Rife was doing just for starters in medical as well as Tesla.

There never was Capitalism here in America, the money changers were on the gig from the get go.

Go look at what is going on in China with state run whatever it is in all the city building and the disfunctional 5th plank money system and what it has caused, 60 % of China's economy is based on construction and all the buildings are falling down, why would that be ? The people have no reason to maintain it because they do not own it. You only get a 70 year lease on your property in China. Go research how F uped it is in all the ghost cities of speculation and the degraded quality of most of the infrastructure going up. Total waste and misallocation of capital.

People have no stake in the game unless they have property rights, the con men are hoping everybody will be so stupid that people will believe renting everything today from the state is capitalistic property rights.

I could go on for days, you need to read what really happened to America over the last couple centuries and one thing to look at would be the missing 13th amendment and the first 2 central banks as a foundation to realize the documents were never followed much at all from the beginning and we have been at war with the British Empire since the Founding of America. This is their system and it has been from the beginning.

Honest Money!......... Go read Alan Greenspan's Gold and Economic Freedom that was written in the 1960's, he just explains why you must tie your money to something real and also watch the video where he says the Federal Reserve is above the law.

He probably just gave up and realized the herd be to dumb so bring on the cage known as commie land........
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