ROK international meetup day (for Rooshv fans)

[Winston]

I have to agree with Yohan.. I don't spend allot of time with Roosh but it seems like with them it's all about sex. Pick up sex or over seas sex ..just get sex and if you don't something wrong with the women. It must be feminist .

Happier abroad is more about just find a place that your happier at.

Yeah we are much broader in scope than they are, so why would they be more popular and get more attention? HA is not just about picking up chicks. It's about changing your life and solving your problems in multiple areas of life:

1. Dating, women and relationships
2. Social life, friendships and social connection
3. Mental health and freeing of the soul
4. Improving your physical health overseas
5. Lowering your cost of living overseas
6. Attaining more everyday freedoms overseas

So being more broad in scope, we should be more popular. Maybe Roosh gets more media attention because he is easy to marginalize since his statements can be used against him to vilify his movement. In other words, he says incriminating things that make it easy to demonize him.

Also as to Rock's comments, I'm not just nicer than Roosh. I'm also warmer, more open, more easygoing, and more LIKABLE too. So in theory I ought to be more popular. We also have lots of rich content on this site too.

[Yohan]

Yeah we are much broader in scope than they are, so why would they be more popular and get more attention?

It's about being 'negative popular' by people who are also 'negative' - for example feminists and manginas in the UK who lost any feeling for justice, who don't know anymore what is right and what is wrong.

I give you one example, so you will see what I mean.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -114929332

I made a comment there, not for RooshV and not against RooshV. I consider RooshV as an unimportant outsider - not my life-style.
My opinion - forget about RooshV.

However I found it really bad that people who do not agree with him sending him threats, even death threats.

This is what I wrote:

He said he had received death threats from around the world. Is this true? To threaten a totally unimportant person because of his strange ideology which attracts only 50 or so followers with assassination is unnecessary and by far over the top. Such a threat is not a harmless joke, it's a crime.

I received within a few hours more than 90 thumbs down from readers, obviously these people are thinking if they disagree with RooshV to send him death threats is legally seen perfectly OK?

It's difficult to argue with RooshV and his followers, but it is also difficult to argue with low-life people who are against him. Both are 'negative' people, not open to any meaningful discussion.

So what is the solution? The only solution I know is to have nothing to do with all those useless people as they are nothing but time-waste.

[Rock]

I have to agree with Yohan.. I don't spend allot of time with Roosh but it seems like with them it's all about sex. Pick up sex or over seas sex ..just get sex and if you don't something wrong with the women. It must be feminist .

Happier abroad is more about just find a place that your happier at.

Yeah we are much broader in scope than they are, so why would they be more popular and get more attention? HA is not just about picking up chicks. It's about changing your life and solving your problems in multiple areas of life:

1. Dating, women and relationships
2. Social life, friendships and social connection
3. Mental health and freeing of the soul
4. Improving your physical health overseas
5. Lowering your cost of living overseas
6. Attaining more everyday freedoms overseas

So being more broad in scope, we should be more popular. Maybe Roosh gets more media attention because he is easy to marginalize since his statements can be used against him to vilify his movement. In other words, he says incriminating things that make it easy to demonize him.

Also as to Rock's comments, I'm not just nicer than Roosh. I'm also warmer, more open, more easygoing, and more LIKABLE too. So in theory I ought to be more popular. We also have lots of rich content on this site too.

Have you read through the ROK archives? It has a lot of great and often focused content on much if not all of Nos. 1-6 above. It certainly gives more directly practical and actionable advice on No. 1, 3, and 4. People everywhere seem to hate Roose including those on this site. But I'm grateful to have ROK as a resource. What have any of you haters aside from Winston produced to help men???

[Yohan]

People everywhere seem to hate Roose including those on this site. But I'm grateful to have ROK as a resource. What have any of you haters aside from Winston produced to help men???

Nobody here in this forum is 'hating' RooshV, but it must be possible to speak out that I do not agree with his PUA-sex-approach of Western women. He wants to sleep with them all for one night stand, but otherwise calls them 'whores'. His group of followers is rather small, but verbally strong and of course this triggers a response by feminists and manginas who are everywhere present in politics, education, information etc.

Yes, RooshV has some valid arguments, for example his opinion about false rape allegations. He presents however his opinion by choosing the wrong words, and what answer does he expect in return?

About 'haters' who produce any help for men - I am one of the administrators of the 'niceguy-forum' since over 10 years, and regarding feminists and manginas, do not ask me in how many forums and blogs my opinion is deleted and my user-ID is banned. Similar to RooshV, I also received death threats, death wishes, promoting to beat me up etc. -

I recommend men to move away, to be open to all races in all countries worldwide, to get out of this zone of toxic Western moral values.

My advice is different from those of RooshV - I recommend men who want to change their life in USA and other Western countries to stay away from Western women and not to run after them as a PUA, to act like an actor and to sleep with these 'whores' for one night for free. I tell them to ignore Western women. Nobody can force you to socialize with Western women if you don't want, so why should you?

[Winston]

Wait a minute. So Roosh and his bloggers recommend trying to sleep with western women with PUA tactics? I thought they advocated going abroad to date foreign women too? Why do they also advocate trying to go for western women too, even if only for sex?

Well I've never gotten any death threats. Except for maybe from AnAmericaninBangkok, who threatened to "beat me up" old school style. lol

Why does Roosh's crowd dislike me and HA? What do they have against us? In what area do they disagree with us?

[Yohan]

Wait a minute. So Roosh and his bloggers recommend trying to sleep with western women with PUA tactics? I thought they advocated going abroad to date foreign women too? Why do they also advocate trying to go for western women too, even if only for sex?

Well I've never gotten any death threats. Except for maybe from AnAmericaninBangkok, who threatened to "beat me up" old school style. lol

Why does Roosh's crowd dislike me and HA? What do they have against us? In what area do they disagree with us?

I think, many groups which are serving men in whatever form and are operating some blogs and forums (niceguy, antimisandry, happierabroad) have in common that these members have very bad experiences with Western women in their past and are strongly anti-feminist orientated.

With RooshV this seems not to be the case. He is not friendly towards MRA/MGTOW. He is not very co-operative. Why should he be friendly with HappierAbroad? Interesting, he does not complain much about Western women and feminism. He is looking for short-time sex and wants to 'bang' them all.

http://www.rooshv.com/the-mens-rights-movement-is-dead
http://www.rooshv.com/the-mens-rights-m ... ge-mistake

Recently however, because he has to face the music of feminism and is afraid of what is next, he is changing his opinion somehow.
http://www.rooshv.com/is-it-worthwhile- ... -activists

If you ask me, I think, RooshV is too much US-orientated. His travel experiences are somewhere from Europe and Australia etc.
Rather unfit to be open worldwide.

My opinion is that RooshV is something like PatrickShaw and his Orientexpat-Forum (still online but not operating anymore) - I think you remember, Winston, and understand what I want to say.

[Johnny1975]

Winston, this Happier Abroad thing you've got going on has so much more potential. If you want to be more popular you need to take this to another level.

* Revamp this forum. Yes, again.
* Make videos. Interviews, daily life, city guides, etc
* Appear on other people's videos
* Start a podcast and do interviews, talk about various places, cultures, experiences, etc etc etc
* Write a series of (SHORT!!!) books on different topics related to travel / women
* Write articles for other people's blogs
* I'm sure you could think of more ideas

[jamesbond]

Winston, this Happier Abroad thing you've got going on has so much more potential. If you want to be more popular you need to take this to another level.

* Revamp this forum. Yes, again.
* Make videos. Interviews, daily life, city guides, etc
* Appear on other people's videos
* Start a podcast and do interviews, talk about various places, cultures, experiences, etc etc etc
* Write a series of (SHORT!!!) books on different topics related to travel / women
* Write articles for other people's blogs
* I'm sure you could think of more ideas

Winston could also start making 'happier abroad' attire like tee shirts, bumper stickers, coffee mugs and buttons that people could wear!

[jamesbond]

[Winston]

I dont understand why the media wants to attract attention to Roosh and ROK though. Isnt the media afraid that all the attention will gain more followers for ROK? Kind of like how NASA doesnt want to attract attention to the moon hoax debate else they bring legitimacy to it? So they just ignore it? Usually the mainstream media just ignore mens rights advocates, not debate them or draw attention to them.

Btw a fellow truth seeker i know gave me his take on all this:

"The mainstream media is having a fit about him now, it's really bizzare. There are news articles about him and the cancelled meeting in ALL the online news. I read a really bad hit piece on daily mail all making up half truths like taking his picture when he was answering the door at his mother's house and saying he lives in her basement and saying he looks dishevelled cause he is wearing a t-shirt and jeans with some sweat stains under the armpits, like it matters what he looks like in his house. He doesn't even live there he is just visiting. He just rents places in Europe. Just shows how much of a hidden agenda the mainstream news has when they want to do hit pieces on people.

He is advocating a rise of neo masculinity I guess or a return of a patriarchy in the western world. It threatens the establishment because socialism type policies can't thrive in a patriarchal type environment. Liberal type policies have to keep going to keep people divided and looking to government for answers rather than male elders or father figures in a family. Globalism is basically a hidden means of trying to create a fascist socialist global governing entity. If young males begin to wake up it potentially can undermine their progress. You only need around 5-10% of the males to not go along with the current system to begin challenging it and causing change."

Make sense?

[jamesbond]

Winston, this Happier Abroad thing you've got going on has so much more potential. If you want to be more popular you need to take this to another level.

I'm sure you could think of more ideas.

Here is one idea for Winston!

[Winston]

Squad of women in boxing gloves to crash Roosh V's Toronto meet-up
Toronto women are ready for a fight with legal rape advocate.

http://www.metronews.ca/#/article/news/ ... etup-.html

Roosh and his fans should have confronted those women and debated them and owned them. That would have made more and better news than canceling the meetups.

[Yohan]

Squad of women in boxing gloves to crash Roosh V's Toronto meet-up
Toronto women are ready for a fight with legal rape advocate.

http://www.metronews.ca/#/article/news/ ... etup-.html

Roosh and his fans should have confronted those women and debated them and owned them. That would have made more and better news than canceling the meetups.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/toronto/20 ... etup-.html
The link changed.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/toronto/20 ... oceed.html
They wrote a new article about RooshV and added some new text about him, see below. It seems some journalists are getting more careful about what they are writing. RooshV is from USA and Toronto Canada is not far away for a defamation lawsuit.

Who is Roosh V?
Roosh V is an American blogger who denies he's "pro-rape," but whose teachings include telling men that if a women says “no” when a man is taking her panties off it actually means “Don’t give up now.’" His blog argues all rape allegations made publicly are false, and women shouldn’t work out of the home or vote.
A post arguing rape should be legal on private property caused the most controversy — but Valizadeh claims it was “a thought experiment” or “satire.”

Another strange story about him:

RooshV is urging supporters to post the details of female journalists on forum

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... erage.html

A controversial 'pro-rape pick-up artist' is posting the personal details of journalists who have criticised him online.

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Labelled 'Operation Bullhorn', Roosh has asked his online supporters to 'adopt' a journalist and post their details on his forum. They have been instructed to gather photos, Facebook profiles and have even been told to save addresses for possible future use.

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Student journalist Emma Healey, 21, was featured on the list after writing an article for The Tab Leeds.

'It's really quite scary - all I was doing was writing a news story. I definitely didn't see this coming, but I received a message last night from someone in America letting me know that I was on this list.

'It's really odd because I am the only student journalist on there. I'm unpaid, yet I'm still a target.

I do not find such an 'Operation Bullhorn' on his few webpages and his little forum. (http://www.rooshv.com)
The newspaper reporting this of course did not give any link.
Where is this page located? Any screenshot?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -this.html

Another article about him, he really gets a lot of attention, despite this is negative attention, it is free press coverage about him - without press coverage most people would not even know about his existence.

[Yohan]

I dont understand why the media wants to attract attention to Roosh and ROK though. Isnt the media afraid that all the attention will gain more followers for ROK?
.....
Usually the mainstream media just ignore mens rights advocates, not debate them or draw attention to them.

It is easy for feminists and manginas to attack such an outsider as RooshV.
For example male feminist David Futrelle
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/ ... en-thread/

It is already more difficult to attack MRA-websites like those of Mr. Elam, who made already a list of liars - of news publisher claiming RooshV is an MRA.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-poli ... -mra-mras/

About MGTOW, like the forum where I am holding admin-rights, they are usually ignored by feminists and manginas as they do not really know what to say.

What can a Western woman really say if you tell her, you are not interested in her as you consider to leave USA or Europe for always? There are many people living and working overseas. Or what can she say if you tell her you prefer to live alone as you don't have much money and your future financial situation is unclear? What can a feminist say if you tell her you prefer a foreign wife to a local one as you are open to all races and like foreign languages? etc. etc.

Most of these Western women are getting bored when signing up in our forum and leave after a few comments (something like: Just let you know what an idiot you are etc.etc) LOL, I can live with that.

Similar situation with HappierAbroad, I guess. Not really anything there which Western women can use for a wild action with the assistance of mangina politicians and pro-feminist-controlled media.

[Rock]

I went to the original meeting site at formerly appointed date and time here in Makati even tho it was cancelled to see if any other guys thought like me. 2 others showed up - a recent DeLasalle Filipino grad and a visiting Aussie who sometimes writes articles on ROK under name Hesse Kassel.

We went inside Greenbelt, found a pub, and had one beer together.

- Neither had ever heard of Happier Abroad.

- Filipino seemed a bit cold and had a too cool for school kinda vibe to him. I peg him as being upper middle class.

- Aussie was a polite guy but cautious and sorta reminded me of Xiongmao in his manner and style (for those who've met Xiongmao).

- I suspect they didn't feel that comfortable around me as I talked a lot and asked many questions. Neither would let me take their photo.

Overall, the meeting was a disappointment for me. The guys didn't even wanna have a second beer so our meet-up lasted less than an hour. I didn't learn much about either of them.

Well I tried lol.