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You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

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You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

Post by jamesbond » August 19th, 2016, 1:25 pm

I know Yohan said he is married and has been for 40 years, he also said he is a MGTOW.

How can a man be married and be a MGTOW at the same time? MGTOW are men who want nothing to do with women, so how does a married guy become a MGTOW?

Come on Yohan, try explaining this please! :lol:
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Re: You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

Post by Adama » August 19th, 2016, 1:42 pm

jamesbond wrote:I know Yohan said he is married and has been for 40 years, he also said he is a MGTOW.

How can a man be married and be a MGTOW at the same time? MGTOW are men who want nothing to do with women, so how does a married guy become a MGTOW?

Come on Yohan, try explaining this please! :lol:
It certainly doesn't make sense. If you live in a country that is good for men, and you are happily married, then there is no reason for which a man should be MGTOW. He already has the best of everything a man could want. A happily married MGTOW living in a pro-man foreign country complaining about women and feminism is just like an American feminist stay at home wife who married a rich man who complains about Patriarchy. She has all the benefits of Patriarchy which are the best she could ever hope for without ever having to work for herself, yet she hates men and the Patriarchy, despite those benefits.

This is how the philosophies we choose to believe in can change our lives, or rather how focus changes reality. Your philosophy will pull you along the path, if you're faithful to it. That is, the more a person thinks about how great it would be a single MGTOW, the more they want to move in that direction. This is how "happily married" MGTOW who have everything consider throwing it all way. They can't appreciate even the good things society has for them because their philosophy is directing the course of their lives, which obstructs the reality of how good it is to have a wife and family. Their value system is inverted (single good, family bad).

These people really are "change agents," useful idiots, morons, fools, reprobates, sociopaths, manginas, and undercover feminists.


MGTOW who are married are often put down by other MGTOW leaders, especially in their Youtube videos. I don't pay much attention but I've heard it said before.
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Re: You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

Post by Adama » August 19th, 2016, 1:56 pm

Also if you take notice, on the one hand MGTOW recommend that men remain single. However, out of the mouths of those same retards (yes, they are retarded, it is a fact, not an insult, as in low intelligence), they will "hate on" single men who are NOT a part of MGTOW.

Single + MGTOW = Courageous Pioneer.
Single - MGTOW = Freak loser, freak loner, lonely man.

This is what some MGTOW have called me, when I called them out (lonely freak and other insults). But the whole basis of MGTOW is that many men should remain single, which is the same as remaining alone. But then you have MGTOW who ridicule non-MGTOW for being alone.

See the righteousness of a man for MGTOW simply depends on whatever they want it to mean at that moment, similar to women's changing feelings. If one MGTOW says xyz, well that's what MGTOW is for him. That same man can have a totally different standard of MGTOW for someone else. That's how MGTOW can fit any definition for anyone.

But at its core it's just feminism for men.

Don't even get me started on how someone can claim the glory of being among the first brave MGTOW to move to another continent decades before the concept of MGTOW existed, when human beings have been doing that since the beginning of time, and no one ever gave them a MGTOW award for moving to Timbuktu because women back home wouldn't give them the goods.

I'm pointing out inconsistencies in MGTOW because I don't want men to fall deeper into despair. MGTOW cannot liberate anyone. It can only deepen depression. It is universal negative attribution and thought that if accepted will ruin your life. Let them screw up their own lives and become an example to everyone else of how not to believe in feminism for men. As proof of this, refer to other posts where MGTOW say they would love to go back to NOT have their loving wife and children to remain single as an MGTOW. They are fools.
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Re: You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

Post by Yohan » August 19th, 2016, 3:58 pm

jamesbond wrote:I know Yohan said he is married and has been for 40 years, he also said he is a MGTOW.
How can a man be married and be a MGTOW at the same time? MGTOW are men who want nothing to do with women, so how does a married guy become a MGTOW?
Come on Yohan, try explaining this please! :lol:
First of all, in this HA-Forum there are plenty of threads, mostly created by Adama against MGTOW and I replied and explained all and everything.
Please re-read these MGTOW threads yourself.

Once again:

It is wrong to say that MGTOW does not want to have anything to do with women. It depends under which circumstances you socialize with women.
MGTOW is not an ideology against women in general, it is against feminism.

It is a difference between the openly hateful situation in USA between feminists and MRA/MGTOW and the situation in many other countries.

About myself, I left everything behind me, never came back to Europe since decades. I am living now in Asia.

Most MGTOW Forums will agree, that you can be MGTOW and being married. Why not?

Below there is a good definition of MGTOW.
http://www.mgtowhq.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32

MGTOW– Men Going Their Own Way. This is a broad term to describe men that choose to define their lives based on their own desires. Some men choose to marry, some live the PUA lifestyle, some ghost, etc. The MGTOW philosophy does not attempt to constrain men into some pre-defined lifestyle.
As you maybe don't know, I am an admin with another MGTOW-Forum since many years, even the founder of that forum is married, and some members are married too - but of course we are not living in USA and we are NOT married with a Western or Westernized woman.

The MGTOW Forum I am using is http://www.the-niceguy.com
We often co-operate with http://www.antimisandry.com - and the most active moderator there is a Russian woman and not even one member as far as I know is claiming that a married man (or a woman) cannot be MGTOW.

Generally about MGTOW, just one advice from me - check out WHY men join the MGTOW ideology. Yes, true, it is mainly because they were badly treated by women - however who are these women? is it only about cheating ex-wives, former girl-friends? That's what you maybe believe.

You will be surprised but this is often not the case. The women who are creating new MGTOW are frequently 'other women' - mothers, daughters, sisters, other relatives, female teachers, female co-workers - it's generally about men or boys, who had terrible experiences with females next to them in their past.

Many MGTOW are also deeply disappointed in the legal system in their Western country, while women find 'help' everywhere and for free, nobody will help men, regardless if these are old men, sick men, young boys in case they are badly treated by females. The system just does not care about them, considering men as 2nd class citizens.

I think, that's all for this moment, if any more question please come back to this thread.

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Re: You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

Post by Quiet_observer » August 19th, 2016, 8:23 pm

It is possible to be married and mgtow. People tend to think MGTOW is a lifestyle choice. Like LGBT or something. It isnt. Its a tool. I think of it as a kind of "psychological armor" for men living is vastly feminist countries. Right now, I am in America and believe me, I am MGTOW as sh!t here. Because one has to be MGTOW or they get chopped in half by the leftist feminism system here. Not to mention, women here are attracted to my accent and I literally send them packing within 20 seconds. And i dont give them my name either. When I leave for Switzerland, I will be significantly less MGTOW there. If I married a Swiss woman, i would still be mgtow- I just wouldn't be wearing it on my sleeve as I do when I'm places like the U.S, Canada and Ireland.

Think of it this way: You might own a gun or two, and you might keep them home for the most part of it Because you know your home and your neighborhood is safe- but if you knew you had to travel to certain areas, you would most certainly carry that gun with you for protection. Or, if you lived in a ghetto where you home isnt even safe, your gun becomes a part of you. I view MGTOW in this manner. And for the record, America is a feminist ghetto.


I hope this makes sense.

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Re: You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

Post by Yohan » August 20th, 2016, 7:19 am

Quiet_observer wrote:It is possible to be married and mgtow. .... I view MGTOW in this manner. And for the record, America is a feminist ghetto.
I hope this makes sense.
Thank you, yes it is possible to be married and to be MGTOW.

The only groups of MGTOW who are claiming it is 'impossible' to be married and to be MGTOW are only some hateful hardliner-groups, all from USA.
Feminism is really bad there. Personally I consider USA as a 'sex-prison' for men. Nowhere else are men subject to such legal restrictions than in USA. It's indeed about being a 2nd class citizens.

In MGTOW Forums, which are not USA-based, like the one I am using, I never remember any discussion that MGTOW ideology is excluding marriage, even co-habitation, contact with single mothers, divorced mothers etc. etc.

I am not the only one in the MGTOW Forum with admin rights who is married - but many members in this forum are NOT from USA.

About myself, I was rather unlucky in Europe out of various circumstances including women - so I packed my few things and moved on - to Malaysia, later on to Japan, 40 years ago, and I never came back.

And this cannot be called 'Going your own way'? If not, what is then the meaning of 'MGTOW, going your own way'?

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Re: You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

Post by MarcosZeitola » August 20th, 2016, 12:44 pm

It just goes to show you, that even a self-proclaimed MGTOW still needs company. It's a part of human nature, to want company. Some of us are loners, sure, but the majority of men will be miserable if they go to bed alone every night, wake up every night, if they live only for their own selfish purposes. Some MGTOWS believe all women to be the same, wherever they live and whatever culture they are from. Yohan realizes this is nonsense - that a woman can turn out very differently, depending on the type of family she grew up in, her nationality and the values of her parents that were passed on to her.

MGTOW always strikes me as being about men, who are unafraid of being single. The male version of the "strong, independent woman who don't need no man!" stereotype. Except, that "strong, independent woman" actually does need a man. It usually hits her later in life, when her fertile years are behind her and she has only her cats to keep her company. Men who stay single until they are old, often experience similar feelings of regret at missing out on certain life experiences... Ladislav, for example, started sponsoring a Filipina fosterchild to fill the gap in his heart at never having a family of his own.

Yohan actually does have a family. He has two daughters, two sons-in-law, a wife of many decades and soon he will welcome his first grandchild. It is easy to speak from a position where you already have all this. If he was the same age he is now, but without a family of his own, what would have been the effect on his sanity? Now some men need it more then others of course. Me, I would have been driven crazy if I was in my sixties and childless, unmarried, all alone in this world. I would have felt, my life has been a waste. MGTOWs would say: no, you are not a failure. You are just PROGRAMMED by society to BELIEVE you are a failure. I don't buy that. People want, what they want. The need to not be alone is a very, very strong desire in almost all of us. The same way a child often cannot sleep without a light in his room, most people cannot handle prolonged loneliness and lack of companionship.

Some MGTOWs get a motorcycle that will be their baby. Others have a vintage car they talk to as if she was their common-law-wife. And yet others buy a dog, who becomes their best friend in the whole world... sadly for these men, life is not a Disney movie. Every action comes with a consequence, everything we decide to do comes at a price, and everything we decide not to do, also comes at a price.

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Re: You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

Post by jamesbond » August 20th, 2016, 1:57 pm

I still think it's strange that a married man can call himself a MGTOW. It's actually goes against the definition of what MGTOW means, which is guys who want nothing to do with women. :roll:
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Re: You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

Post by MarcosZeitola » August 20th, 2016, 3:20 pm

jamesbond wrote:I still think it's strange that a married man can call himself a MGTOW. It's actually goes against the definition of what MGTOW means, which is guys who want nothing to do with women. :roll:
That is because a lot of guys use MGTOW as a coping mechanism. This is especially true for the younger men involved in this movement. The older ones, who have actually had negative experiences with women, who got screwed over by divorce courts, had shitty ex-wives, lost custody of their kids... those are the men, who have legitimate issues with women and who will likely avoid them like the plague from now on. These are, however, a minority of MGTOWs and they are not as vocal.

The young generation of MGTOWs are men who claim they don't want anything to do with women. But is this true? If they could get a good woman tomorrow, would they not abandon their beliefs right away and jump on the opportunity of getting with her? I think, the vast majority of young MGTOWs would get with that woman, immediately abandoning their no-girls-allowed gospel the second a girl shows interest in them...

A lot of the feminist women who end up as miserable old spinsters, are very unattractive. They are ugly, fat, out of shape and mentally ill. But to claim their singlehood, their childlessness, their loneliness, is a CHOICE rather then the result of their own shitty personality, is how they cope with reality. If they have to admit their current sad state is not their choice, but the consequence of how bad they are... that they actually regret it... where's the power in that? So they maintain, at all costs, that they are happy this way. That it is their choice. Because to admit the truth, would be too painful.

I feel that there are a lot of men out there who are essentially losers. They are not attractive, they are not overly bright, hard-working, well-educated or connected. They are not desirable, for a multitude of reasons. People ask them all the time, why they are single. Their friends are dating, getting married, having kids, jobs, houses, and they are left behind. So they do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify their lifestyle. And in the MGTOW movement, they find a safe haven where they are not judged, but instead are celebrated for their "bravery in defying society's pressure". Sound familiar? Feminists do the same thing lol.

Very few men in MGTOW are desirable to the point where they have to beat women off their dick with a bat. More often then not, they're average or below average men in every aspect. It's not admirable to stay single, when you have no one pursuing you anyway. They have all these memes and comics where women are "chasing them" to get their money and then divorce them, lol. But truth is, no one is chasing them, nobody wants them. Much like the fat purple-haired Tumblr feminist who owns twenty-five cats. Does anybody want her? Does anybody want the anime-obsessed autistic guy with an IT job who dresses like a clown? No. But them being single is totally their choice... :roll:

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Post by Adama » August 20th, 2016, 4:13 pm

Feminists and MGTOW share something in common. That is, they do not want to adhere to their biological role as the woman or as the man. The feminist women are dogs. They are out of place. They are the women who bark at men and want to boss men around. They are single because they do not want to obey a man, and few men want to go with cruel, unattractive women.

The men of MGTOW have at least one problem, and that is that they are pussies who refuse to step up to the role of the man. They are unattractive to women because they completely lack masculinity in the dominance department (not saying they are completely unmanly, only when it comes to interaction with women do they get it wrong).

Both of these conditions are pathological. Healthy members of both sexes refuse and reject the unhealthy. That is, a healthy woman rejects an unhealthy man, and MGTOW are unhealthy because they are not men but pussies. Likewise a healthy man rejects a butch dog of a woman because she is obviously unhealthy, being insane.

Gender roles are very real, and for most of society, they are more or less adhered to. The problem is when the man doesn't want to or doesn't know how to be a man, he is then rejected by women. Likewise when a woman doesn't know how to play the woman, or when she refuses to play the woman, most men will not want her.

It isn't a matter of how tall, how pretty, or how much money or any of those other factors. It is about the inability to be the man or the woman.

I would attempt to further explain, but if that doesn't sink in, even with ten examples, nothing would help.
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Re: You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

Post by The_Adventurer » August 20th, 2016, 4:16 pm

By all means, Adama, please find your unicorn American Woman and show us all how it is done!
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Post by Adama » August 20th, 2016, 4:17 pm

jamesbond wrote:I still think it's strange that a married man can call himself a MGTOW. It's actually goes against the definition of what MGTOW means, which is guys who want nothing to do with women. :roll:
Yes, marriage is the traditional way, after all. Just like those feminists who get married and pump out those 2.3 children are traitors and breeders to the lesbian feminists. Some of these married feminists suffer from guilt over having betrayed the cause. Similar to this, married MGTOW may sometimes feel guilt for betraying the MGTOW cause of "no wife, no children." MGTOW and feminism are ideologies which are suited for homosexuals who do not want to reproduce. It is not for heterosexuals who want to form a pair bond and or have children. MGTOW varies between monkhood and hedonism, but not marriage.

Take note that it is unnatural for men to live as monks and most men are not called towards that. Even single men want fornication with prostitutes. This is how you know marriage is better both morally and for access for that which men require: female companionship, physical affection and intercourse. Monks should never have any sexual contact with another person (which is why it is wrong because it is an impossible standard for most men). And having to hunt for the next meal constantly between women is also not what men were made for. Each man should have his own. That way women need only be hunted for once.
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Re: You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

Post by The_Adventurer » August 20th, 2016, 4:24 pm

Here's a question for you, Adama. Why does this movement exist, at all, in USA, England, Germany etc.? but does not exist in China, which has plenty of unattractive, socially awkward guys, who still manage to get married despite a supposed gender imbalance. It does not exist in Indonesia, or, Viet Nam or Ecuador.

Why is that?
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Post by Adama » August 20th, 2016, 4:24 pm

The_Adventurer wrote:By all means, Adama, please find your unicorn American Woman and show us all how it is done!
Was there reference made to American women here? Even if there had been, nationality doesn't matter. You see even in Thailand there are men who have trouble with women. Thailand is supposed to be a place where no man would ever have any trouble.

So you know, the problem may not always be the women. The problem might just be that a man doesn't know how to be a man.

The problem isn't the nationality. The problem is that the person doesn't know how to be what they were made to be. The women don't want to play being the women, and the men are too afraid to play the man or don't know how. This happens in places where feminism is weak. So tell me, how is it that in Thailand men have the same problem as in the USA if it is only the women? It's both, naturally.
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Post by The_Adventurer » August 20th, 2016, 4:28 pm

Adama wrote: The problem isn't the nationality. The problem is that the person doesn't know how to be what they were made to be. The women don't want to play being the women, and the men are too afraid to play the man or don't know how. This happens in places where feminism is weak. So tell me, how is it that in Thailand men have the same problem as in the USA if it is only the women? It's both, naturally.
I get that, and I suspect there are men who have trouble with women everywhere, in varying degrees. But, to my knowledge, Thai men who have trouble with women are relatively small in number, and are not online starting movements or making Youtube videos.
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