10 Points on Western Women and why I am dateless at 24

[kingjoe60]

Hello everyone this is my first post on here so dont be too hard on my views thanks

I am 24 from the uk i would be considered below average looking. not over weight and of average height. I have never had a date what i am doing wrong? tell me please i need help. i thought at first it was me. So i started lifting weights and developing a good body but this did not change my stats still dateless. Then i started trying chatting more girls up in the bar no luck there. I have tried pua but thats a lot of balls. Then i found this site and it all clicked it had the answers. Its not me its my environment

Your are your environment as they say if your environment is sick the western society then you have to find a new environment that is healthly

The western society environment and the western women is the problem for males than are average to below average looking.

The number one problem in the western environment is the western women

I believe my problem to finding love is the western women she standing in my way and these are my 10 points of view on the western women

1.Does not appreciate living in her environment. How lucky she is to living in the west and not a third world country. Does she appreciate this fact no she does not care. She knows she is the queen of everything in the west and knows no one can touch her shite. Developed countries puts her rights before any male. Fact look at divorce courts.

2. In any relationship she wears the pants. She makes the decisions. Next time your are in mans clothes shop look at how many women are picking the mans clothes what the f**k is going on ? I have noticed this males have to jump through many hoops to keep her happy but they dont relise this.

3. 80/20 rule. She is looking for the 20% of guys if are in the then you have no chance. Why does a fat chick thing she should a have a pretty boy?

4. They dont want the nice guy. I dont understand this balls you can be nice , friendly, the best man a women can do nothing wrong but this is your fault what the f**k? They want the badboy

5. If your get lucky at the dating game and get a western wife. Your are in big trouble yes you may get a family but your sex life will stop once marriage and kids has arrived and the next thing she wants is a half your money and a divorce.

6. She thinks she is really hot even if the medical doctor says she needs to lose weight . Because guys are so desperate for a women they are chating up very unattractive girls this makes them think they are hot. An unattractive girl thinks she is hot shite you try chat one up and will think she is too hot for you.

7. She is very selfish and greedy. This is good for a society of consumers because a woman will buy alot of shite and never be happy. Who benefits from a women behaviour companyies and the government. So of course sell them crap and make the man pay for it.

8. They think a lot of single men are creeps if you a single and below average looking. What is a creep i person that is not good looking and can not get a gf because of the society. If they think you are creep you have no chance with a western girl.

9. She has no morals or family values. Uk figures has 24 % single mothers why is this because they dont want a man bring up there children

10. Men are all assholes. This is my last one but the most common view of the western women where has this come from. I do not know well i say western women are all just cunts.

I hope you enjoyed my first post i think my next post i will talk the western environment until then leave your views on this first post.

If you want to check my youtube site here a link

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrKingjoe60?feature=mhum

[Mr S]

Well if you go to the Philippines you'll have to beat the women off with a stick cause your white. So go travel there or some other Asian country and you'll be okay.

[Winston]

Gosh, are those ten points true for UK women? I thought that was just true for US women. UK women, in my experience, seem far more authentic and down to earth and intelligent too. At least they don't judge a man by his money or career, I was told.

[mattyman]

King Joe, you seem to be having exactly the same difficulties as me. I'm from england and I'm also 24. I can assure you that your problem is definitely NOT you. Most your observations of british young women, in the main part are unfortunately true. Believe it or not, there are even women out there who will agree with your obervations.

I personally would avoid bars and clubs like the plague (at least in this country). I tried doing the bars and pubs thing for years myself and had absolutely NO results.

Honestly mate, I've stopped looking for british girls, simply because of the sheer dire reality of the situation. I've found in general, that foreign girls are a LOT nicer and more approachable, and also more cultured as well.

8. They think a lot of single men are creeps if you a single and below average looking. What is a creep i person that is not good looking and can not get a gf because of the society. If they think you are creep you have no chance with a western girl.

Absolutely true. There have been times when I've tried to make conversation with girls in public and usually they act polite and distant 'why is he talking to me', 'he's a pervert' sort of vibe. Some are just downright paranoid.

I go to salsa classes btw and there are a few foreign girls that go. My god what a huge difference there is in having a conversation with them. They all seem to be free of the stuck-up, paranoid vibes and are actually capable of conversation!

Oh, not only do the conditions of society that you have mentioned make it almost impossible to find a nice girl, there are very few opportunities for the average guy to meet new people as well, unless if you don't know the right group of friends. Opportunities to meet new people really are restricted to friends, work, school/college/uni and pubs and people are generally very cliquey. One thing I hate about the UK is the drinking culture. If you don't thrive in the pub/club/binge-drinking scene you are in some respects buggered and shut out the game. I can't stand the ladette culture and the lack of genuine, nice young women.

Oh, one more thing; that pua crap really is a load of nonssense. A lot of the advice given in that community in my opinion can really make a guy doubt his worth and masculinity. A lot of that stuff really is about adopting a persona you're not and of trying to impress people as opposed to making the most of who you are. A lot of that stuff I think plays on guys insecurities and gets them hooked. That stuff can really undermine people in my opinion. I suspect that people who write pua stuff have a vested interest in getting guys to buy their products. Anyway, this is a subject for a rant.

Have you met many foreign girls btw or travelled much? I highly recommend it. There are better prospects out there. It's great to know that there are people who feel the same.

[Fenix]

PUA is like professional wrestling gimmicks. Usually the gimmick of a wrestler is that person turned up a notch, but they cannot play the character for too long. The same thing with the PUA bullshit. Women will eventually phase you out when they know you can't keep up the facade. I still laugh when men get so desperate and try PUA. Don't do it. Don't waste your money, time or do anything related to PUA.

[Winston]

This article about the PUA scam is very revealing.

http://lifestylejourney.blogspot.com/20 ... -scam.html

[crazyaboutabroad]

So true. I'm tired of being unloved. I want to have sex, i'm a MAN. I want to have lots and lots of sex. Western woman in any relationship after 4 months they already are making "headache" excuses and complaining you want too much.

Asian women wants it everyday! And they are happy if you want all the time, it's masculine and they feel desired and loved.

And of couses, in the western world you are a piece of s*** if you aren't some super exec of 500 fortune.

I'm making my way to Asia, man. I'm will work like mad and get away of this hell hole

[djfourmoney]

The only objection is that single mothers don't want a man, on the contrary they do want a man/husband/boyfriend. The UK has such a welfare state that they don't require men, that's correct, but most if not all still want a man. (Almost) No woman wants to raise a child alone, only a few do but they don't involve men in some cases, they buy the things they need (sperm from sperm banks) and go to the doctors that offer those types of services. Its very expensive.

Otherwise I know British Men generally have the same complaints about their own women.

[kingjoe60]

Thanks for all the replies at least am not the only one facing this problem mattyman . Its a really nightmare for millions for single men in the west and i think the only cure is leaving this place. Not pua chating up hundreds of birds and getting creepie guy looks

[wuxi]

Western countries are an orgasmic wasteland. You need to stop torturing yourself worrying about dating white women, theres no way your going to win with them, there damaged goods.

Asian women on the other hand are fantastic! If you went to Cebu you'd have 10 girlfriends by the time you got out of the airport. The biggest problem you encounter with asian women is limiting yourself to just one.

[momopi]

1.Does not appreciate living in her environment. How lucky she is to living in the west and not a third world country. Does she appreciate this fact no she does not care. She knows she is the queen of everything in the west and knows no one can touch her shite. Developed countries puts her rights before any male. Fact look at divorce courts.

2. In any relationship she wears the pants. She makes the decisions. Next time your are in mans clothes shop look at how many women are picking the mans clothes what the f**k is going on ? I have noticed this males have to jump through many hoops to keep her happy but they dont relise this.

3. 80/20 rule. She is looking for the 20% of guys if are in the then you have no chance. Why does a fat chick thing she should a have a pretty boy?

I don't have time to comment all 10 so will just pick the first 3.

1. Many people take what they have for granted, that is the nature of things. They don't appreciate it until it's taken away, or they had to work hard for it. This applies to both genders. I recommend watching the BBC special "Blood Sweat and Takeaways", "Blood Sweat and T-Shirts", and "Blood Sweat and Luxuries".

Looking beyond material and environmental factors, we have the young who take their youth for granted. From the day that you were born, you march on a one-way path toward your death. Your time on Earth is limited, and your youth is even more limited. You are 24 and I am 40, and I'm telling you right now to carefully consider how you want to "spend" the remaining half of your 20's. You can play hard, invest wisely, or try to do both (more difficult) with your years. Do not squander your youth, old men who claim that they're living young again are wrinkled grandpa's with their fake viagra erections. Live for yourself and not for someone else's vagina.




2. If you want to wear the pants in a relationship, you start by being a manly man who wears the pants. Men who bend over for women will end up exactly in the position that they've assumed for themselves. Women want manly man who will love, protect, and provide for them. Take all the feminist/anti-feminist crap and chuck it down the garbage bin -- it's a waste of your time. You are a MAN, be a MAN, take it like a MAN, and ROAR like a MAN. Leave the lessor tools waste their life complaining like a little b*tch. You, go out there and live your life like this guy:




3. How the 80/20 rule works is, men want to desire hot women and women want to desire hot/successful men. It goes both ways. Don't be the runt on the bottom of the barrel who thinks that he is entitled to be an "average joe" and that women should trip and fall on top of his pen*s. You are young and virile, use your energy to build successful, vigorous, & masculine character that women would want to procreate with.

[mattyman]

Kingjoe

You said in your first post that you consider yourself 'below average looking'. Has society, advice, people or whatever made you feel that way about yourself? There's so much terrible TERRIBLE advice out there that can really make you question your worthiness to women.

I know it can be extremely difficult in the situation that you're in but it's important not to dwell on how bad the social environment is. I acknowledge that it sucks ass, I acknowledge that nice, non-judgemental girls may not be all that common but what you have said is definitely not universal for all young women. It is understandably true for the types of girls that frequent clubs and pubs. You must acknowledge that the way things have been so far will not necessarily be the way things will be forever.

Do you sometimes feel that when talking to a girl you have to 'impress' her. That you have to 'prove yourself'. This kind of mindset is exactly the type that is instilled by the pua stuff. This thing can make people incredibly self-conscious to the point of feeling that they have to adopt a persona that is not them. There is nothing worse than trying to talk to a girl and feeling that you're being judged or examined on your masculinity. It's all too easy to put women on a pedestal since that is the kind of subconscious thinking encouraged by pua advice. You'll find you'll feel CONSIDERABLY more comfortable when you're free of those thoughts.

As for bars, nightclubs, pua stuff, reject it! Flush it down the bog for god's sake! I hope for the love of god that you're not buying into any of that pua shit. Please, please I beg you, Don't!

There are many ways in which to make the most of who you are. So much advice out there, not just on the net, but in magazines and even that given by other young adults, is based on the premise that 'you are not 'good enough' as you are'. Advice along these lines can be EXTREMELY damaging to self-esteem. The truth is that you don't have to 'impress' a girl or 'win her over', display how 'masculine' you are, you simply have t make her feel comfortable around you. I think that being happy in your own skin, getting to find common ground with a woman, building trust etc. is MUCH more important. This I believe is considered much more attractive. Being the genuine, real you. That's what's considered manly. By that I mean forget the whole notion of trying to 'pull'. Think of how comfortable you feel around your friends and family for instances. That's how you can be around women without that conditioning that you have to be 'alpha'. I could be wrong, you might not be influenced by these thinking patterns. It may sound counter intuitive, but the less worried you are of coming accross as attractive, the more attractive you'll come accross. The truth is that you probably have a lot of aspects to your personality that the right women will find attractive. I would focus on what you have got going for you if I was you.

I think that lot of guys do try too hard simply because they feel that they are 'not good enough' that they have to 'prove' their worth etc. and also because they put women on a pedestal. That is a highly toxic state of conditioning. I also don't agree with the notion of learning 'techniques'. I strongly believe that less is more. The whole popular dating advice stuff realy, really infuriates me.

I think you have to find other avenues of meeting women in the short term. Bars and nightclubs are the WORST places you can possibly try, especially in anglo-america (no offence to any brits on here that don't like being lumped with americans). The trouble is is that it's such a high-pressure environment. It IS uncomfortable and hardly conducive to being one's best self. Also, a lot of girls that go to such places do tend to be HYPER SHALLOW, chavy, slag types. You'd be surprised as to how many people don't like the pub/club scene. I took up salsa dancing and am enjoying it quite a lot. It's a different kettle of fish.

Still, I think ultimately the best option is to go abroad because there is no denying that society in this country is definitely sub-ideal with re to meeting women. Even in France, young women in cafes and shops tend to be sweeter, more polite and feminine. You certainly don't get any of this 'I'm so hot' talking down nonsense that you get here (as long as you're outside Paris). The nicest girls I've met have ALL been foreign.

Anyway, I hope you found what I have to say makes you feel better about yourself and I hope that this inpires you.

[Rock]

You need to get some confidence under your belt or else you may be screwed psychologically for life.

Typically, I would not advise this to a young person. But you need to go through the motions of pulling, dating, and mating with multiple women so your body realizes sex or at least heavy romance is quite normal and easy to attain.

If there is anyway possible and you won't lose out seriously career wise (in case you are on some sort of fast track to big money), take a few months to 2 years off work.

1. Go to Phils. Memorize a very simple mechanical approach line such as "Hi, I'm Jimmy, just came to..., and plan to stay for a long time. I would really like to know you better." Execute it with a smile and keep some distance to observe. If body language is positive or neutral, follow-up by asking for a number and even suggesting a time for an informal first meeting.

2. After you've had some success in Phils (and you definitely will if you are proactive, that's almost for sure), move on to one of the other 3 countries where money will normally not be an issue for regular girls. Repeat what you did in Phils and get more success under your belt. If you can pull-off your approaches using some of the local language, even better. If you run into a girl who speaks really good English and things don't happen or you become interested in her more as a friend, she might even help you to meet local girls by giving you advice, vouching for you, etc.

3. After you have become reasonably skilled and successful, you can consider your dream country (perhaps somewhere in Eastern Europe or Brazil) and re-locate with your new found confidence. If you like where you are, stay and enjoy or move around those 4 countries. With any luck, you will have found your dream girl and married her well before 30.

4. Even if you stay single, if and when you return to the States, you most likely won't care very much about American girls anymore cus you will know they are the problem, not you. That in turn will make you appear less needy and creepy. You just won't give a shit. You know for a fact that you are attractive to attractive women in other parts of the world. Your track record proves that.

Good luck. Don't waste anymore of your youth in the 'bad place'.

[ExpeditionSailor]

PUA is like professional wrestling gimmicks. Usually the gimmick of a wrestler is that person turned up a notch, but they cannot play the character for too long. The same thing with the PUA bullshit. Women will eventually phase you out when they know you can't keep up the facade. I still laugh when men get so desperate and try PUA. Don't do it. Don't waste your money, time or do anything related to PUA.

PUA is just a sophisticated form of begging for sex. And it only enriches the hucksters who promote it. My motto where PUA is concerned is: f**k that noise!!

[aozora13]

@Rock,

Good advice for us guys in our 20s (even late 20s as myself). I see that if I can get a job doing international work (possible through a few ideas I tried), I should be able to go to a new place every 2 years. I think this a good way to build confidence and get a girlfriend during that time. I see that a person has to bring up their confidence and be comfortable in their own skin. Most women like this (even in man-friendly countries such as PI, countries such as Brazil, Colombia and in eastern Europe).

@KingJoe
British girls such as much as American girls. Also American women by far are boring and do not contribute to anything in the conversation. Ironically even when I think I have not talked to much women. I have seen that in school although you can talk to women that you usually have to be at a party in order to possible start a conversation. Maybe some sort of activity too is more common while in school.

There are a few singles clubs that might help for you to chat with women (I have tried in America and it is a mixed bag). I have friend who basically was saying how I have am pretty picky and that I should try to find a decent 5/6 to get more experience with women. I have usually seen that being with American women does not go really anywhere. Even when trying groups most women will not give 'decent hints' to pursue and usually you have to make them excited to get them interested in you instead of talking to them. I see that even 'level' headed American women are basically unattainable right now even in a good place/environment.

I will say for British girls that they have it too good as it is in America. I know you might not like western women but you should try the mainland Europe. You have several women of different cultures that are little bit more nice than British women and they are not hard to bed either. I am not sure about long-term relationship but at least you can talk to a real European women (not British) easier than British women.

Rock is correct that if you can take a short vacation 1-2 months, you can go to countries where women actually want to find a decent guy and usually you can just approach them casually get to know them and they are not hard to get to know.

The UK and US suck to date women. Marriage and other laws favor them and at the worst you will have the life of drudgery if you marry one them and they divorce you. It is something that I am not going to do in America and you must certainly avoid in the UK.

As some posters have said there are people on here from the UK in their 20s you can give you some good advice on dating women and not English, Welsh, Scottish and/or Irish women. Hopefully you can find women in other cultures that you like and try to connect with them beyond the UK.