I'm not sure if this has been seriously discussed or not, since I don't keep up with every thread (who does?). But I just realized something important that we've overlooked or not discussed much.
We all congratulate the forum members here who found their foreign soulmate and brought her to America. And we've praised Romance Tour operators like Mark Davis for helping American guys find their brides overseas, usually to bring back home. He now has great success story testimonials on his site such as these: http://dreamconnections.com/testimonials/
All that sounds great. But aren't we all overlooking one crucial thing?
Isn't it harmful, selfish and wrong to bring a foreign woman into a highly toxic and diseased country like America, just to alleviate your loneliness? I mean think about it. You are bringing a woman from a culture with natural social connection, authentic culture, and good family values, into a culture that we all know is diseased, inauthentic, soulless, toxic, insane, unhealthy, disconnected, spiritually and morally bankrupt, etc. and controlled by a Satanic Illuminati (or something similar) just to ease your loneliness.
You are doing this without consideration of what it might do to her. It would be like taking a healthy person to a radioactive waste dump or to where a nuclear reactor has just exploded, and thus exposing her to radiation and harmful toxins. Even if she has a good soul and good values, you run the risk of contaminating and poisoning her, both in mind and body. Why would you do that to someone you love?
Taking all this into account, wouldn't you be endangering her mind, body and soul, by bringing her to live in America? If so, isn't that inconsiderate on your part? Why aren't the guys bringing brides back to America considering this?
We all know that once she's in America, the system will attempt to crush her soul and mechanize her into a working drone who is all business and no soul. She will gradually lose her natural playfulness, sweetness and authentic personality after coming to America, because such traits do not fit into modern America, so they will be filtered out. Likewise, the same will be done to your children as well. This is what the system has attempted to do to us since our school years, and many of us have suffered greatly for it, unless we succumbed to it.
Why would you want to do that to her, and also to the children you would have with her? If you value your soul, and hers, shouldn't you take this into consideration? Why do many guys bring back their brides as if it were the most wonderful thing, without taking this into consideration?
Not only will her soul be at risk, but her health and body will be as well. Food in America is filled with harmful toxins, chemicals, GMO's, growth hormones and who knows what else. As a result, America is the most obese nation in the world with the highest rates of obesity, heart disease, cancer and diabetes. So why would you want to subject a woman you love to such an unhealthy environment of the sickest nation? See these two article excerpts below:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00631.html
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/111 ... er-011013/Study Shows Americans Sicker Than English
CHICAGO -- White, middle-aged Americans _ even those who are rich _ are far less healthy than their peers in England, according to stunning new research that erases misconceptions and has experts scratching their heads.
Americans had higher rates of diabetes, heart disease, strokes, lung disease and cancer _ findings that held true no matter what income or education level.
Geez. Is the sickest nation among developed nations, really a place that you want to bring your foreign bride to? Do you really want to do that to the woman you love? Think about it.Americans Are Sicker And Die Younger Than People In Other Developed Countries
A new report shows that Americans live in poorer health and die at younger ages than people in other developed countriesâ€“and researchers say the gap is steadily growing. The report also shows that Americans are also dying at far higher rates due to guns, car accidents and drug use than their foreign counterparts.
As you have probably observed, most foreign women who come to America become fat, especially around the hip and thighs. They lose the slimness they had in their home country. Isn't that obviously bad for her? Do you really want to poison her body like that?!
It might have been ok to bring a foreign bride back during the 1970's and prior to that, when America was more wholesome and natural. But modern America is more toxic and diseased now than ever, in more ways than you can imagine. Everything is inverted: good is bad and bad is good, truth is a lie and lies are truth, being degenerate is cool, trash culture is normal, tattoos are mainstream, fakeness is standard, wholesome character and authenticity is fringe and weird, etc.
What's striking and sad is that in the 1970's and prior, a woman in America could be tall, beautiful and even look like a model, yet be sweet, caring, affectionate, kind, innocent and wholesome at the same time. That was normal for a female back then, and you can see this in all the wonderful wholesome TV shows of the 60's and 70's. But in modern America, a woman cannot be hot, gorgeous or sexy without becoming a bitch with an attitude. If she tries to be, she will be told by other women that, "You are not acting the way you look." It's very sad and ridiculous. America has clearly degenerated and deteriorated in many ways. But as they say, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." Do you really want to conform to that?
Anyone can observe in America how foreign girls who arrive quickly change. They become less sweet, less authentic, and less natural. Gradually they become unfriendly, closed, paranoid and uptight. It's very sad. Remember that you are bringing her into an isolating, disconnected, lonely environment where people are much more paranoid and uptight than in her home country. If you were a foreigner, would you want that to be done to you?
Your foreign woman can't be the person she was in her home country, because America will squelch her natural qualities that don't fit into what the Satanic Illuminati wants her to become -- superior to men, entitled, masculine, competitive, isolated, dissatisfied, self-absorbed, selfish, narcissistic, overly materialistic, living only for money and consumerism, devoid of soul or authenticity, and lacking any desire to connect with others.
These are all disgusting qualities of course, which are unnatural and unfeminine. But these are the qualities that the modern toxic diseased American culture (and its Satanic elite) condition women to be. So you gotta ask yourself: Is this what you want your woman to be like? If not, then when she adopts these qualities, and you do not share them, how will you two get along?!
Overall, American culture brings out the worst in people. So for sure it will be a bad and toxic influence on your foreign woman, as well as any children you raise with her. Even if you try to, it may not be easy to protect them from being contaminated or affected by it. The media will infest her with feminist values, and encouraged her to treat you as her competitor. She will be told that being selfish and narcissistic is ok, and that she is entitled to nothing but the best. She will even be taught that ultimately she doesn't really need you. Being sweet, feminine, kind, caring and affectionate (as American women were allowed to be in the past) will NOT be encouraged by the new liberal America where "assholes rule".
Here's an example of what I mean. Below is an image still from the remake series of the Bionic Woman. Notice that the new Bionic Woman grabs her boss to intimidate him and show him who's boss. This is how women in America are encouraged by the media and pop culture to treat men.
Now, is this how you want your foreign woman to be encouraged to treat you? In modern America, men and women are conditioned to be competitors, not partners. There is a stupid thing in American culture called the "battle of the sexes", which has a definite negative effect on relationships. And men are programmed to obey women as their masters, and emasculate themselves.
In contrast, back in the 70's, the original (and real) Bionic Woman played by Lindsay Wagner had a caring, affectionate relationship with her boss, as you can see in the image still below. Back then, men and women were encouraged to cooperate with each other, love and care for each other and be good to each other. But not today.
Also, America is not good for children anymore either. In public school, your children will be placed into an oppressive environment surrounded by kids with highly toxic and dysfunctional personalities. If your kid is nice, soft, genuine, shy, withdrawn, or doesn't act tough enough, he/she may end up being bullied by insecure bullies. It's far too easy to get bullied in America because kids are raised to feel insecure, and some react to that by becoming bullies where they try to act tough and bring others down. Additionally, your children will be surrounded by trashy degenerate youth culture that they will feel obligated to conform to, even if it's bad for them, lest they become isolated and lonely.
Moreover, the school system will try to turn your children into memorization machines who live to conform and obey and fear what others think. And if your kids resist, they will be given drugs like Ritalin to keep them in line. Government laws will also force your children to be vaccinated excessively (36 vaccines last I heard) which is very hazardous for their health.
Your children will also grow up eating food that is poisoned with chemicals, toxins, growth hormones and GMO's which makes them fatter and sicker at an earlier age, and messes with their hormones as well. Apparently the cabal running the US government sees your children as a testing ground for their nefarious experiments in genetic mutation, eugenics and population control. (According to Alex Jones, David Icke, Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell, Alan Watts, etc.) Now do you really want to let them do that to your kids?! To do so would be insane!
The thing is, everything in America keeps getting worse and worse ever year, and has been for the last few decades. In the past, everything was better, cheaper and more natural: People were more real and down-to-earth, life was simpler, social relations were more true and genuine, friendships were more real, products were simpler and longer lasting, prices were lower, houses were easy to pay off, food was healthier, movies and acting were higher quality, etc. So the America of the past may have been better to raise kids in. The only things that have continually improved are technology, digital products, telecommunications, and movie CGI. Not a very good trade-off if you ask me.
The only reason such areas have improved is because the elite's agenda is to turn humanity more and more artificial and robotic, and possibly cybernetic, to make them less rebellious and more controllable and manageable. (look up "transhumanism") And also to give the elites more power and capability in tracking and monitoring everyone via technology. It is in their interest to turn the world into an artificial one that they can more easily control. Thus the improvements in technology work to their benefit.
But in all other areas of life in America, everything has gone down - the quality of everything has descended while prices and costs have soared (especially in healthcare). So ask yourself: Why would you want to raise your children in an America where everything has gone downhill and degenerated to the lowest point, and where everything has become overpriced and crazily expensive?! Aren't you selfish, reckless and unwise for doing that? Logically, people should be LEAVING America, not coming to it, which would be insane! You don't try to board the Titanic when it's sinking! Come on people.
Furthermore, your foreign woman will inevitably miss her family and friends, and feel isolated as well, because America is a highly isolating and disconnected place, as we all know. Even if you have a lot of friends to introduce her to, they are your friends, not hers. And even if she makes friends of her own, they may not replace her friends and family back home, especially since friendships in America are not as good or lasting.
Moreover, she may not fit into American culture. Many foreign women don't. America is not a culture where everyone fits in, contrary to what it claims. Many foreign people do not like the fakeness, isolation, soullessness, lack of culture, and overly commercialized culture in America that is all about money. America is wrong to assume that everyone fits into that.
I guess everyone is different. Some foreigners fit into America ok. Others don't. And some don't like it but tolerate it anyway. Perhaps many others suffer in silence too and don't talk about it. Or they may suffer but be tricked into thinking that the problem is them, and not with America, as many Americans do.
In my observation, it seems that the strong materialistic types of women are the ones that fit in America the best. (and these are the hardest to get along with too) But the ones with rich souls, a sense of culture, and into spirituality are the ones that do not fit in. It also depends on the woman's age. Younger women are more malleable and changeable, but older women who are more mature will not change as much. Some women also corrupt more easily than others, especially if they have no inner life. Also, women (and immigrants in general) who only care about working and making money may not be concerned with any of the above.
Regardless, it's fallacious to assume that every foreign woman can fit into America, as if it were an all inclusive culture that suits everyone. That's a false assumption. Some foreign women do not fit into America and have written me about it. Here are some examples.
This Lithuanian girl told me:
So true. Compared to Eastern Europe, everything in America does feel "so fake". But of course, you have to be authentic to sense this, since fakeness does not sense fakeness very well.â€œHi Winston,
nice to hear u like lithuania and it's people! and yes, i live here most of the time, but i'm travelling a lot as well and this fall i'm leaving for half a year. i've spent two summers in the states as well, so i do understand why u liked lithuania or europe in all, i could never live in that country, honestly, i guess i'm just love europe too much and couldn't get used to that feeling that everything and everyone was so fake over there, sorry if my opinion about the states seems rude, but i'm just being honest:)
talk to u later, got many things to do!
Later on, when I inquired deeper, she vociferated:
Another Lithuanian girl described how isolating the US was for her:â€œhi Winston,
first of all, sorry that i'll be a bit distant for a while, because i have exam session and don't have any time to write mails. still, i do hope u're not gonna find me rude, cause i don't wanna be, but please, do NOT SEND me anymore ANYTHING ABOUT THE STATES. i really don't wanna hear what people say/think/feel etc. about it. i have been there, have my own opinion and my feelings to it are not positive at all, therefore i'm trying to forget all that and delete it from my memory and sorry, but ur mails don't help me too much with that. i had some really bad experiences there and everytime u make me relive those bad emotions, what i have no wish to do. if people in the states are proud to be americans and think it's the best country in the world (when their knowledge of the world reach maximum 5 miles around their farms)-let it be, cool, i'm telling them: live and be happy ever after. i'm out from there. for long. PERIOD.
I hope u understand that i'm not saying "don't write me", i just don't wanna hear about usa anymore.â€�
A Portuguese girl wrote me the following email about her disassociation in America:â€œThe longest period that I have spent abroad was like 6 months. I was in the states. Unfortunately (as most Americans would put it), I was in NJ this very little town called Stone Harbor. I don't think you would know it though. It was hell... being stuck in the middle of nowhere, with no wild nightlife....I still remember it as a worst nightmare.â€�
Hereâ€™s what my friendâ€™s ex-Filipina wife wrote in her blog about why she was unhappy in Hawaii and returned to the Philippines with him:â€œDear Winston,
If so many immigrants feel this way about Americans, why do they show us such a false, ingratiating face when they meet us, and pretend to love us so? There are some Americans, like myself, a Portuguese-American, who feel exactly the same way many foreigners do about this dead, soulless country. When we meet non-Americans who share our feelings, we are never let know it. We have no one to talk to about our views. It's as though all Americans are stereotyped as exactly the same: we're all dead inside, we all have dead eyes, we all march in lockstep behind our belligerent, hate-filled, racist nation. "Therefore why even talk to them? They're all subhumans and they're all together and in on it." But that's profoundly untrue. Not all of us march in time to America's sick rhythm.
As an American who noticed the strange dead eyes of most other Americans early in my life, as a child, I feel very bad that more non-Americans I have known did not simply open up a conversation with me about how they felt. They would have been amazed to learn that some Americans also feel the way they do about America; and we, the minority, are trapped here.
My sister and I are two of about perhaps ten people we know who can see through the fog of deadness hovering over this country. Life for us as native-born Americans has been a steady hell. From childhood it is as though "normal Americans" could perceive our differentness. We were hunted, bullied, tortured, lied about and betrayed for our perception. My suffering as an American outsider has lasted for decades. Again and again I find myself encountering Americans who find it routine and okay to lie to me, lie about me, steal from me, betray me, try to manipulate me, use me, and discard me. There is no soul behind their eyes; their eyes are empty and blank, and all they care about all their bellies, their wallets, and the next (must be wealthy, thin and attractive!) sex partner.
If I could, I would leave America. I long to go to Portugal, the land of my ancestors. But right now I am trapped under a business that I built and can see no way of continuing it in another country: yet. If I hit upon an idea, I will be out of here and living across the world far away from this terrible land. Between Bush, Christians, the war in Iraq, the growing fascism, the media and the worsening inhumanity in the very streets here, I despise and feel sorry for this place.
America is very much an asylum for the mentally ill. My sister and I ask each other every week - literally, every week, in the wake of yet another betrayal or assault from a dead-eyed American near us - if the entire country has gone collectively insane.
You wonder why Americans don't know their own neighbors? They're more Americans - would YOU want to get to know them?
Portuguese-American longing to escape,
http://rosas23.blogspot.com/2008/02/phi ... erica.html
â€�Tuesday, February 19, 2008
Philippines? Or America?
Well, I prefer Philippines more than here. Maybe I love the people there more, more than the people here, this is the difference. see in list..
1.) I like Philippines because they have Respect, Kind, and Happy people.
2.) My Family's there.
3.) I have a lot something to do in Philippines more then here.
4.) Have people around who can help me.
5.) And maybe I grow up there.
1.) Because too far to Neighbor.
2.) Don't have stuff to do. Only using Computer, Looking my Baby, Cooking, Cleaning, sleeping, Eating, hehehe!
3.) It's hard to having Baby when you don't have people around can help you.
4.) I miss Filipino food.
5.) I miss going Mall. hahaha
As you can see, the other KID here in America are no respect. I prefer more the KID's there where I grow up. My Brother and Sister fighting together but have respect. Not like here, They not respect the Parents Or Old people. LOL, how you can live in Country the KID's they not respect you? well, for me I can't live Country like this. hehehe I'm annoyed!
Posted by "rosa" at 1:51 PMâ€�
A Russian woman who moved to America for marriage shared these thoughts with me after seeing my website about the emptiness and ignorance she sees in the US:
I by chance (looking actually at a completely different forum) encountered your site, and decided I simply HAVE to add my story/point of view...have to say it is all within the lines of what I've read (how immigrants view America/Americans...
I moved here 13 years ago, never planned, but that man met me in my home city, and couldn't leave alone for 2 years, which eventually ended up in marriage (me being very young, unaware of life, without life's wisdom)...we first lived in Texas...boondocks. I am from Russia, country of soul, of mystics, of rich inner world, of great culture, literature, etc....What striked me to the point of not possible to put in words there: IGNORANCE (enough was said in your page there. same things, ppl not knowing the map of the world, geography, their own culture not talking about other cultures...back in Russia I did not even KNOW such things, this level of ignorance, is possible in the world...
2. Fakeness...again, ppl are not real, all wear masks, all pretend, a huge fake hypocritical, cold, indifferent, spiritless world. I felt I was communicating with lunatics or imbeciles. In Russia, no matter what profession or education one has, such thing as common sense is always present in a person, in every plummer, every peasant, every cleaner, etc. Here, even ppl with college degrees have no common sense in them. The very few OK Americans I met were from university from the Languages Dept, those who were deeply in touch with European cultures, people, mentality...
Anyway, then 9 years ago we moved to Arizona; Arizona is MUCH better than TX I have to admit, but the general American tendencies are no less ever present here, too.
Coldness, indifference, hypocrisy, lack of refinement, of culture, of common sense, of spirituality, of compassion are the most horrible characteristics of this country and its ppl. I would agree also to call it "insane asylum". This inner emptiness drives them to horde malls on the weekends, to look for their "bargains" and "specials", and to pass by others of their own kind that are in need.
I feel it is a Devil's place, a Devil's Kingdom on Earth par excellence. This world sucks on the whole, but in other places of this dark planet there is some soul lives on, some Spirit dwells in people's hearts still, and that soothes the trials of our every day existence. Here, in the US, the cruelty of their empty human hearts, which they call "individualism" is beyond belief. They are empty, cruel, soulless, spiritless, fake, dead ppl, automatons, bio-robots. What else one can say...
Thank you for creating and bringing to the world your site, for the honesty and sincerity. Blessingsâ€œ
I can certainly relate to how she feels. I spent a lot of time in Russia and it is definitely more soulful and passionate than in the US, which resonated with me instantly because I am a very soulful passionate person myself. Thus I can see whereâ€™s coming from in her perspective. But of course, if youâ€™ve never left the US and been immersed in a more passionate liberated culture, you wouldnâ€™t understand.
In her next letter, she related even deeper thoughts about my website and movement:
thank you for your prompt reply; I don't know where do you find time to do the site maintenance and the correspondence:-) Yes, if you think it is best to put my observation/opinion on your Forum and on the Website, that is OK. I wrote basically on an impulse, I never write to a public space as am very private.
But what got me in your site that it is very deep; it looks at a problem of insanity (again, stated by those who are from abroad, or Americans who tasted life/cultures abroad; Americans themselves are in a delirious oblivion about themselves and their "culture") of Americans, their life style and "culture" at every angle, in depth, diagnosing the insanity, looking at the possible causes of it, and offering suggestions to cure.
It was by far the most comprehensive and cumulative work I've ever encountered on the subject. Big thanks to you for that, for devoting your life to this cancerous world's problem. At first I thought that emphasis on dating is a bit shallow and might repel some thinking, deep people, but the more I looked at it, I came to think that it might just do the opposite...tell the guy/person who is love/sex/normalcy starved in this country, dying inside and craving for life and love that he should go read some philosophy he'd send you on a familiar route...however, if the same love/sex/normalcy starved individual is told he should look at this site to find love, he'd go, but later, he'll maybe look at philosophical, spiritual pages, and, hopefully, will be on the road to enlightenment. So, it might actually work to attract more readers who otherwise wouldn't bother to look. )
But the site on the whole is very profound. I believe you should collage all the material and publish it, public just needs to know all that.
I could write volumes on the subject of America, mine and my Slavic friends' experiences here, but perhaps not at once, if you forgive me for time-lacking:-) so, I might do by bits. Sure, I can join your Forum, I hope it is not a difficult procedure.
II. About your adviser and just HOW (in his opinion - is he a male?) Russian women (and rest of Slavic for that matter) are HAPPY here...ooofff, what a British Encyclopedia we could just write. You know, your site for for guys (as primary, level 1st target audience), and you speak from guys' experiences...well, we could just say the same of American men, just the same...we cannot find happiness with them...they are too shallow, ignorant, controlling, empty, materialistic, and all within the lines.
Slavic women suffer in their relationship with American guys. I have Serbian, Polish, Bulgarian (girl)friends, and it is like we all say just the same things, and have same emotions in our American circumstances. To put it short, it is like having this creature (in a female form), that is so alive, and spirited, and lovely, and smart, and with common sense, and with good taste, culture, education, etc., and here is her American guy...did you read J. Fowles novel, the "Collector"? Well, if you did, that's the picture, nothing more to add to this. It's a murder, slow, painful, and torturous murder, a crucifixion of a creature in a Slavic human form. There were times when I almost died from depression (I read thru ur cult testimonial, and very much the same symptoms I had myself), and I am not sure as to what degree of sanity I managed to keep intact to be honest. If I survive, few of my friends and I are moving back there once it is logistically possible.
...attraction...all Slavic women are beautiful...but...what to say...? you know, from my experience, the men who looked at me, or payed attn to me here (in a "normal", European way), are Europeans themselves!!!! American guys just don't see it! ( I have access to European community here, and so, that is where I find normal men!)..they are not Americans!! I maybe got attn 2 or 3 - not more, times from American guys..agn, what do you define attention..? a glassy look? Or an intelligent interest? well, glassy looks I got, and maybe desire to sleep, but those 2 or 3 American guys were again studying languages and so a bit more animated than "normal" American guys. I am not really sure yet...it looks like American guys/ppl are so dead inside they are incapable of discerning beauty, because only spirit can do that. I stopped dressing well here, make-up, etc....it takes so much effort and imagination, and they are not even able to discern the beautiful things in front of their eyes...
I have few friends here, Russian, other Slavic. We gather together sometime, for tea, pies, etc...every time inevitable the conversation turns to "imbeciles" (our term for Americans)...we give resolutions to stop it, to try to be happy, and it doesn;t work, because every time you go out, to a job, to a grocery store, simply driving in traffic here you here stressed and have to deal with imbeciles in every corner. So, depression, depression, depression for Rus women. So, in terms of attention - they are not capable to give real, intelligent, with good sense of humor and sensitivity, attention. I stopped having anything to do with American guys, period. I am going thru a divorce now, and my soon to be ex-husband is a cult member also (Christian, conservative), and I suffered unimaginable shallow mindedness, control, imbecility, and total, killing lack of spirit. The more religious a person is, the less spiritual he is, that is it.
Let me see where I found a link for your site...let me check my bookmarks...I believe it was this one: http://www.culturechange.org/cms/index.php no..?
I have to go now from work, and will write more later on, thanks for reply, and again, for tremendous work on enlightening crowds on the "American" issues. Tatianaâ€�
So you see, not every foreign woman fits into America. Many suffer silently, and some leave and go back home too. Others have a love/hate relationship with it.
You gotta consider this as well.
What do you all think? Why are all these guys, including on our forum, overlooking all of this? They think that if they find "the one" abroad and bring her back, they will live happily ever after. But they overlook all the above and don't take them into account. Why? Am I right?