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Winston, you still trust AFA (A Foreign Affair)?

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Winston, you still trust AFA (A Foreign Affair)?

Post by Mr Natural » March 9th, 2015, 8:03 am

Hey Winston, you continue to make these posts about girls at AFA that "you can meet". Have you or anybody you know ever met any of them? In the Philippines? Obviously they are a sponsor of yours so maybe you don't really want to be completely honest. But ok, I just signed up for their platinum membership so I could meet a few of the girls on their site and let me tell you they don't make it easy. First they bombard you with dozens of obviously fake emails, here are some examples of the titles;

"I want a big D... To make my day."
"69 is my lucky number"
"Please define 69 for me. Do you mind????????"
"Wrap me with a warm embrace from your sweet heart, would you mind dear?"
"Still empty inside? Please allow me to pour love into that empty space of yours"
"I want to merge with you"
"learn me without haste"
"wrap me with a warm embrace from your sweet heart"

I think I have seen 3 dollar bills more genuine than this stuff. Their modus operandi seems to be the same as some of the other scam websites in that they charge per email ($6 each to read, $7.50 to send plus another $3.50 for EACH photo) and that's the cheap member prices. Don't give me this stuff about how it's all the fault of third party agencies. Those email titles were all sent from Cebu where AFA runs their own office. And you may have noticed that NONE of the girls from the Philippines on AFA ever seem to have email addresses, which is obviously phony. Of course the result is that to communicate with them you can't just buy an email address which I wouldn't mind. No, instead you have to play this pay per message game, and just as with scam sites like ChnLove, Asian Beauties, Elenas and various others, it seems the norm is being strung out paying money to communicate with probably an operator and not the real girl. I just sent a letter to a hot chick in Cebu and received a reply in less than 10 minutes! So unless the real girl just happened to be sitting right there on a computer at the moment, and unless she writes with very different language than the way she talks in her video ..... So I write her back and request that we chat with skype etc or she can write me at my email. And surprise, she replies saying we need to keep communicating there for her "safety and security". And that if we meet it will have to be in AFA ofices, which I understand, but using email is dangerous? Haha it's classic! Right now I'm wondering how many letters (ie how much money I will have to spend) before they tell me that the girl is going on some kind of emergency trip or something so we cannot meet. Or they will charge some outrageous amount for the meeting. I am really interested in this girl though and will be in Cebu in a few days, so will see.

If anyone from AFA is reading this, I don't mind paying, up to an extent, it's a business for you. But once you start with the lying and BS that's a different thing. I know my credit card bankers quite well. They are 100% cooperative when it comes to fraud or misrepresentation, and I'm not shy about chargebacks. But hey, go ahead and play me.

Maybe I shouldn't be so cynical so soon but thus far it doesn't look too good for them. So Winston, you sure you want to be affiliated with these people? You sure you want to keep making posts about girls that we can meet?
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Re: Winston, you still trust AFA (Foreign Affair)?

Post by MarcosZeitola » March 9th, 2015, 11:42 am

Yep, this sure sounds like a scam alright. I am curious for what Winston has to say about this. Too many red flags and I'm pretty damn sure that girl in Cebu will never show up.

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Re: Winston, you still trust AFA (Foreign Affair)?

Post by Yohan » March 9th, 2015, 2:08 pm

Mr Natural wrote: ..... they don't make it easy. First they bombard you with dozens of obviously fake emails, here are some examples of the titles
..... Those email titles were all sent from Cebu where AFA runs their own office.
..... NONE of the girls from the Philippines on AFA ever seem to have email addresses
All what I read here sounds like an introduction service for escort girls for some certain nightclubs in Cebu. There is a computer in the bar with bargirls sometimes using it, and if nobody is there, because the girls are busy or the club is closed etc. an automatic 'out of office' reply is created.

AFA is existing since a very long time, so not all they promise can be merely scam, it's obviously a travel agent for 'single men', which is not only introducing air-tickets, hotel-rooms etc. but also nightclubs with hostesses etc.. - Likely they are organizing acquaintance parties in Cebu hotels in a banquet room for these foreign male customers and offer free buffet for girls, so many girls will come just for fun talking to foreign men and free food etc.

It would be interesting to know the address of the AFA office in Cebu. I will be in Cebu this coming April and I will check out how it looks like.

Does anybody know where AFA-Cebu is located?

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/a-foreign ... ona-887998
So like many guys in the u.s. the thought of possibly going to a foreign country and finding a bride has crossed my mind. So the first thing I do is google 'reputable foreign dating sites' and of course all of the usual b.s. comes up. Elenas Models. (read more about them on this site BEWARE) , A Foreign Affair, and several other companies came up on the site. Now I will say this before I go any further. I personally know two American Guys, that have successfully gone to Russia and the FSR and married successfully and have been married for over 8 years. So it can be done. It has been done. Im just not sure that these sites on the internet are the way to go and do it. I am personally chatting with my friends russian wives and letting them guide me through the process.

So being new to the Russian Bride, or Foreign Bride search I decided to join AFA or A Foreign Affair just to kind of see what it was all about. I paid the $99 for the Platinum membership, which allowes me to email up to 100 girls through their system. Now it says that when I email the girl, that it will go through their system and the girl will receive MY PROFILE , ALL MY INFO, Along with my pics, and my email. At this time the girl can look at my profile and if interested ACCEPT my email and reply to me. Now the emails are directly from the girls email to mine. AFA is no longer involved one my email has been accepted by her and she replies. Keep in mind I am going into this deal with my eyes wide open and not really expected a whole lot, more so doing it for fun, and starting to explore the foreign bride scene.

So I send out 75 or so emails to girls profiles that I find attractive, some are in Russia, Ukraine, China, and South America. 75 emails go out. probably half of those are ACCEPTED and out of those two girls emailed me back. At first the emails were bland and generic, but then as I emailed back and forth with the girls over the next few days they loosened up and told me about them some and sent me a couple of 'family' safe pics, no nudity or 'victoria secret' pics. Just regular pics that seemed normal. WHAT I FOUND STRANGE was that THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT ME, HAD NOT SEEN MY PICS, HAD NOT SEEN MY PROFILE , which is the whole point of using AFA to kind of help weed out the girls that are not interested in you.

SO I THINK THAT THE PLATINUM MEMBERSHIP FOR THE MOST PART IS A BUNCH OF BS AND BULL. I am goin to keep writing until i have sent about 500 emails to see if I get any hits for entertainment. BTW after just a couple of days of emailing the 'girls' they stopped emailing and fell off the face of the earth????? Hmmmm I am not surprised. LOL (Note the pics that the women sent me looked nothing like any of the profile pics of the girls i emailed)

NOW HERE IS THE REAL SCAM BEWARE BEWARE You can join AFA or Loveme.com for free. Then on the site after you log in, you have an INBOX, where supposedly women that have seen your profile and are interested in you can email you first. HERES THE CATCH. Even if you are a 'platinum' member if you use the mail system that is the 'inbox' on the afa site. To Open and email from a girl costs 4.99-7.99 per email. GEEEEZ to reply to her through the AFA system is 5.99-7.99 and 2.99 for each pic you attach. GEEEZ As you can see this could get very expensive in a hurry.
So for fun I opened a couple of the emails that were send TO ME from these INTERESTED girls. LOL All of the emails I opened were so general that they could be to anyone. There was nothing in any of the emails from any of the girls that would let me think they had seen my profile or even knew my name.??? The reason for this AFA mail system is supposedly some of the girls dont have email and AFA CLAIMS to let these girls come to their local office and AFA translates for you. Hmmmm for girls that have on their profiles to be college grads and speak fair english, I would think that they could at least have their own email address and not need a translator. ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS IT S A SCAM and Im sure for some older guys that are not internet savvy it seems legit. But anybody that has any common sense can see quick that this is a HUGE HUGE SCAM. I mean you could spend $100 in a few minutes just opening up a couple of emails and replying to them. Why in the heck would it cost 2.99 to attach a picture to an email anyway. LOL SCAM SCAM

Now I cannot speak on the TOURS that AFA offers. They promote heavily taking a TOUR to any of the cities that they operate in and meet hundreds of girls in a matter of a week. Tours go from $1500-$4500 depending on what country you go to and how long you stay. I would be hesitant to go on one of these tours because of the lies and the scam that they are running on the website it makes me not want to trust these people.

I ordered the AFA love me .com tour dvd, and it cost me like $10 with shipping. Within a few days I got a discreetly packaged dvd. I took the paper cover off and the dvd case looked almost like the cover of a porn dvd. LOL. No wonder they covered it with white paper. Anyway I opened it and watched it. LOL The editing and the footage looks like it was from ten years ago. Not very many of the girls look anything like the ones on the website . So IDK if i would be willing to trust these guys and pay them money to do a tour or not. I think I will speak with my friends russian wives and see if they have any relatives that could make a good match. LOL

Just be careful and KEEP YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN AND COMMON SENSE ABOUT YOU WHEN ON THE INTERNET AND LOOKING FOR A FOREIGN BRIDE. So far my own experience and my research has NOT yielded a legitimate mail order bride service. There may not even be one out there.

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Re: Winston, you still trust AFA (Foreign Affair)?

Post by Yohan » March 9th, 2015, 2:41 pm

Another Rip-Off report
http://a-foreign-affair.pissedconsumer. ... 45181.html

There are some scam-reports on the internet, but I did NOT find many complaints like this one about AFA.
Only a few, and most of them are regarding Lugansk, a known gangster city in Eastern Ukraine or other cities in Ukraine, nothing really about Philippines.

Maybe Winston knows more?
I would like to warn anyone who cares to listen about this profile http://loveme.com/women/info124763.htm In early August of 2012 I purchased a virtual email address from A Foreign Affair to send an introduction letter to the lady featured in this profile. I was pleasantly surprised when approximately two hours after sending my introduction letter I received an email announcement there was a letter in my profile inbox on AFA and basically I needed to login and pay $9.99 to open and read this letter. I was a bit disturbed by this because my main reason for purchasing the lady's virtual email address was to send and receive letters from her via our private email account and not having to pay the $10 cost of receiving and sending each letter in addition to the $3.50 per attached photo. However, I decided not to make an issue about this because I was really attracted to this lady's profile; I had selected her after scrolling for several hours through approximately 1500 online profiles until my eyeballs hurt, therefore when I received a letter from her expressing an interest, all my concerns about having to pay in order to open her letter disappeared.

In this first letter she asked about four questions one of which was "Why was I looking for a foreign wife L?" I could have asked why was she looking for a foreign husband? But I was polite, I wrote back immediately and told her that I will take a few days to prepare thoughtful answers to all her questions. I had received her letter on a Saturday and by Monday evening I had written and sent her a 2-½-page letter with at least four photos. The cost was $40+.

Initially, there was a reasonable lapse of time between sending and receiving responses that appeared to take into account the time for translation and forwarding of the letters but over the next two weeks after the first three exchanges of letters the delivery pace increased very rapidly. It seemed like I was receiving a reply within three hours after sending a letter and the responses were very generic, weak and always included two photos of the lady. There were no description or comments accompanying the photos. I guess I was supposed to be charmed by her beauty and no words were necessary. For example, I would send descriptive letters about my work, pastime and daily activities to reassure the lady that I was genuinely interested in revealing myself to her and not just a guy playing games on the Internet. The responses I received would consist of a few sentences asking more questions. There was hardly any substantial information coming from the lady. After 37 days of correspondence and $230, the only thing I learned about this lady is that she has wonderful parents; she never mentioned their names. A sister with a husband and baby living in Kiev, and that she was a cosmetology nurse who thinks beauty will save the world. I have never heard of a cosmetology nurse; perhaps they do exist and I will Google the subject.

After about twenty days of this nonsense of me answering her questions, revealing my personal life and not getting any meaningful communication I began to doubt the validity of this profile. Finally when she sent me a letter inquiring about my fears (as if she were a psychologist) My response was that I feared being the victim of an internet dating scam operation because although I had purchased her virtual email address I had continued to receive letters via the Loveme.com site rather than my personal email and was paying $10 each time I send and received mail. The motive of scamming to generate profit was clearly evident by the rapid responses, meaningless photo attachments and the lack of information sharing with regards to the lady. The letters tended to sound as if a male wrote them, which was a bit troubling but I thought it was reasonable to attribute this to the gender of the translator.

I expressed my concerns about scamming to the lady in a polite and non-judgmental way. I explained how photos can be misappropriated by anyone and used to create profiles without the real owner of the photos being aware of their illicit use. I expressed my interest in getting to know her but due to the high cost of our correspondence and my plans to visit her within 90 days, that it was important to resolve my doubts about the validity of the profile with which I was communicating (I was literally communicating with only a photo. There was no first name, address, phone or email. There was absolutely no transparency. It was like being blind) the purpose of the validation was to quickly establish a relationship built on trust and confidence before we are months into the relationship.

The lady responded with outrage to what I considered to be a reasonable and common sense request in light of all the scamming that is occurring on international dating sites. The response was "Are you kidding?" which sounded too American for me and made me suspect the letter writer could be at AFA offices in Arizona. She told me how hurt, offended and disappointed she felt. I felt somewhat guilty for hurting her feelings but I thought it was important to resolve this issue because my feelings of distrust were too strong by now and the relationship was unlikely to develop and prosper with such feelings of insecurity.

She had sent me a series of photos that were taken so many years apart that it was difficult to recognized her in the series because each photo appeared to be a different woman, although with careful examination, facial features such as the eyebrows and lips appeared to be the same. I suggested she simply send me a week old photo wearing a set of large earrings that were featured in several of the photos and this would be sufficient proof that she is capable of reproducing herself "graphically speaking" and not just someone with a collection of model photos with no knowledge or access to the original owner. To avoid appearing unilaterally demanding or overbearing, I also offered to provide whatever proofs she may require to settle any doubts she might have about me. Her response was that she couldn't produce the earrings because they were loaned to her years ago when she worked as a model. I tried to figure out a simple and easy way, short of flying to Ukraine myself to verify whether this lady I am corresponding with was not just a stack of photos. After about a day it occurred to me to contact some one in her city and ask her if she would be willing to meet this person at a time and place of her choosing just so they could see her and simply report back "Hey guy, I saw the lady and she looks like the lady in the photos you sent us." I thought this was very simple; after all, if she ever wanted her friends in the States to check me out, I would be falling all over myself in my eagerness to meet them.

I contacted a married couple that was willing to meet with the lady at any local café or public gathering place. I sent the lady a letter explaining the arrangement and got no response. Perhaps the lady truly resented my efforts to validate her identity and did not wish to participate in this effort. Her reasons are open to speculation but I saw this as a small effort to work through a problem in an unconventional dating scenario. I personally would have no qualms in doing it if the roles were reversed. Perhaps readers of this article may offer different perspectives as to why this would not be an appropriate undertaking. My personal feelings are the person in this profile and the letter writer are not the same people. The letter writer is in the background using the profile to manipulate others but is unable to appear as a person or update the profile photos with anything new. My last contact with this profile was today when I received a letter in which she/him claimed to have smiled at my *** efforts to check. I was not *** enough to send a $10 response so I just deleted all photos and letters that are related to this brief correspondence and get ready to move on. I should feel fine in a couple of weeks.

The husband of the couple I contacted to meet with the lady is a very proficient computer technologist, therefore he was able to conduct a photo search with the lady's profile photos and found an account with 49 of her photos on a Russian social network site http://vk.com/id19955094

It is possible the owner of this account and photos has no role in creating the profile http://loveme.com/women/info124763.htm because her photos are of good quality and are easy to download, it is conceivable that a criminal could have used her photos to create fake profiles with the intention of running a scam.

I must admit that I had been scammed out of $230 in the past 37 days by corresponding with a possibly fake profile. But who was it that scammed me?? Who benefited monetarily from my financial loss? Lets follow my money or (what used to be my money) to find out. According to my Bank of America Statement, my money went

Here to what I believe is the payment processing center of A Foreign Affair offices in Arizona.

08/31/2012 Show additional information for activity type cards -9.99 CHECKCARD #### WORLDWIDE DATA LINK 602-553-8178 AZ... activity type cards status type icon cleared Cleared. Select to mark activity type cards -9.99 CHECKCARD #### WORLDWIDE DATA LINK 602-553-8178 AZ... as reconciled -9.99 1,038.09

John Adams, the public face of AFA can smile and cajole as much as he pleases when promoting his seedy looking romance tour videos, but as far as I am concerned, due to my recent experience and a few others that I had overlooked in the past, he is nothing but a pus-filled-maggot who runs a criminal enterprise that steals from his countrymen. It is quite possible for him to operate a profitable, transparent operation with loyal customers if he would just make a sincere effort. Instead, his business operations acts as an umbrella for an army of scammers both here and abroad that preys on men who are earnestly seeking to satisfy that most natural of human desire of finding love and companionship.

I think the best way to reduce the revenues of scammers and unethical dating sites is not use them at all and travel to the country of your choice on your own. If you are courageous enough to consider being with a woman from a culture that is significantly different from your own, then you should certainly be able to make your own travel arrangements. $1100-1500 should get you a roundtrip ticket to most countries in Eastern Europe, an additional $1500 should be sufficient for lodging and a local interpreter/ tour guide for a week. You can do all this via the Internet and by-pass the riff-off businesses, romance tours etc and have a wonderful vacation to boot. If you don't have this kind of money then you have no business seeking a foreign wife.

I would like to sign this article but I will have to choose the anonymous path due to the unsavory comments directed at one John Adams. My life has been relatively stable and prosperous recently and I wish to keep it that way.
It sounds however this service is rather expensive and like a lottery. Maybe it is better to use your money for something else but internet dating?

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Re: Winston, you still trust AFA (Foreign Affair)?

Post by MarcosZeitola » March 9th, 2015, 6:43 pm

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck... and there are reports out there of it being a duck... how can it be anything other then a duck? Any dating site that is about allowing people to meet and form genuine connection will not disallow members to exchange contact details or maintain e-mail accounts if they so desire. The girls join the site to meet a good man, the men join the site to meet a good girl.

A lot of dating sites only allow you to send a private message to another member, or express interest in them, after you pay a certain sum. Other sites allow you a few free messages, then suddenly deny you the ability to talk to the girl until you pay more. All these are classic scamming techniques. Just use free sites, they have the same chance of success without the risk of financial loss and deception.

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Post by Yohan » March 9th, 2015, 6:45 pm

I cannot comment about the situation in Russia - but for sure if you are interested in Philippines, there is hardly any reason to pay for introduction services.

All what you need to do is to get on an airplane, you should consider a reasonable time (1 month or so?) to stay in a city - Cebu or wherever - and after arrival look around and try to talk to as many people as possible. Don't be worried and tell them straight you are interested in marriage and not in shorttime/bargirl service.

For sure some curious women will also show up, asking for more information from you and Philippines is really into introduction, parties etc. even more than here in Japan.

There are many people who are interested in a longterm relationship with a foreign man out of various reasons.
No country has so many overseas workers and local Filipino people are not afraid of foreigners and are also not shy regarding taking pictures with you.

About internet, many Filipinos have an email address, a facebook account, any chat service etc. - No problem to stay in contact with the Philippines later on after your departure back to your own country.

And if you find nobody, it was still a nice vacation...

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Post by Mr Natural » March 10th, 2015, 3:42 am

The thing is, as a business model these dating/matrimony sites are probably very difficult to monetize. Especially for a large (ie expensive) outfit like AFA. A lot of guys are just flat out cheapskates and will never actually get off their ass and go. And they have to compete with the free sites like DIA and sites that are relatively cheap like Filipina Cupid or Cherry Blossoms. BUT, in my experience not much in life is free. Take DIA for example, you get to see one photo and that's all which may or may not look anything like her. And you get an extremely brief profile (if any) and a site full of scammers and hookers that you have to weed through. So if your time means anything to you, it's not free at all and in fact can be very expensive. The relatively cheap sites are a little better, you get multiple photos but that's about the only real difference, although I think they do make at least a token effort to weed out scammers. Peter at Christian Filipina seems like a good guy, but I have to wonder about their claim that they screen all the girls. It doesn't seem possible with the sheer numbers they have, and I've noticed that if you do a search there the overwhelming majority of the girls haven't logged in for months, sometimes years. There are a number of things to like about the AFA site. First they have an enormous selection and second, I think most of the girls they list now have short videos. That makes an enormous difference, hard to Photoshop a video. And AFA has offices and staff in Cebu and Davao which should make a difference too. If I were a girl meeting guys on the internet I would feel much more comfortable meeting them at an office like that. So they have the infrastructure to be better, potentially. And I can understand that their primary effort is trying to get people to take the $3k to $4k tours, I'm sure that's where they make most of their money. I suppose that's okay for some, but I would never feel comfortable in a meat market like that. They have maybe 15 or 20 guys and maybe 200 girls, but out of those 200 girls I probably wouldn't be interested in more than a handful. And guess which ones the other 15 guys would be interested in. It beats me why anyone would pay $4000 to compete with a dozen guys over half a dozen girls, if I wanted to do that I could just stay in the states. But okay, if you are going to offer a service where you can meet these girls individually, and you are going to have affiliates like Winston showing photos of them saying that you can meet them, then fine, tell me how. This girl I have written to in Cebu, she is telling me that she would like to meet me at the Cebu AFA office. But yet, I don't know exactly how to do that. Evidently I will have to write her another $10 letter asking her and hope that she answers in the $6 reply. There doesn't seem to be any information on the entire Internet about where the AFA offices are located, no address, no phone number. I was going to call the AFA office in Arizona but was busy/sleeping during their office hours today (am in the Philippines now). I've looked all over their website and the only information I can see about how to actually meet someone there is to pay $900 for the Asian club membership. Ha ha $900! So the deal is for $900 you get to meet girls for one week, they arrange the meetings etc. But even if you don't mind spending the money it seems designed for failure. First, you don't get seven days you only get six because they are closed on Sunday. The fine print says you are allowed a maximum three meetings each day, so theoretically you could meet 18 girls in six days. Which of course would never happen because of the concept of Filipino time. Let's face it they aren't exactly known for their promptness. In the fine print it also says that your week starts as soon as you hit town, so by the time they call some of these girls, make appointments etc. and get them to actually show up, you would probably be lucky to meet 4 or 5 in a week. For $900! This is on top of the $150 a day for their recommended hotel (the Waterfront). Now IF one of those 4 or 5 ended up being the right one I wouldn't care about the money, in fact I would consider it a great deal. But like I said before, there is a difference paying out money to get something of value in return or just simply being fleeced.

So I repeat my question to Winston. You are constantly posting these photos of girls that we can meet. That's great, but do you know of any cases, particularly in the Philippines, where anyone has actually met any of these girls and developed any type of relationship with any of them? If so HOW? If not, considering how synonymous the terms "AFA" and "scam" are on a simple Google search, why do you continue to do this? Are your ethics and reputation not worth any more to you than to align yourself with these people? And why is there never anyone here on your site from AFA to talk with us? I don't think there's a single page on your entire website where they are not advertised, but yet no one from AFA ever posts here. I have wondered if it's because your readership here is probably much more knowledgeable and experienced about the various tricks and scams that companies like AFA engage in. Maybe they think their main market is all the morons out there that still don't have a clue. But if that's the case I wonder why they advertise here at all. In any event, don't you wonder why John Adams or Bud Patterson or any of their other staff NEVER post here?

Anyway, has anyone here ever met any of these individual AFA girls in the Philippines? Ever? Anyone have a clue as to where their offices are in Cebu or a phone number?
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Re: Winston, you still trust AFA (Foreign Affair)?

Post by Mr Natural » March 19th, 2015, 10:51 am

Bump for Winston. Nothing to say about this at all?
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Post by 262 » March 19th, 2015, 2:48 pm

I doubt he or Jamesbond will say anything, since websites such as AFA more or less pay for this forum (and likely his and other folks' personal/travel expenses).

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Post by 262 » March 19th, 2015, 3:14 pm

I linked to this thread on Winston's "Wow! Hot Foreign Women on HA Personals You Can Meet!" thread:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7510&p=221299#p221299

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Post by MarcosZeitola » March 19th, 2015, 5:07 pm

262 wrote:I doubt he or Jamesbond will say anything, since websites such as AFA more or less pay for this forum (and likely his and other folks' personal/travel expenses).
Understandable, but cowardly.

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Post by Yohan » March 21st, 2015, 4:37 am

I can comment only about Cebu - young girls are often approached by boys in front of universities and otherwise schools, karaoke, eateries, factories etc. with leaflets and asked if they want to become a model etc. and they bring them to any photostudio, taking pictures, asking them what about marriage abroad and so on and so on. Plenty of girls participate often as a small group who know each other as classmates for fun and they get a free username and password and some nice pictures of themselves - some are indeed signing in and reply to email from somewhere, many do not, and after a few weeks this all is more or less forgotten. Such activity is legal, as they are 18+.

AFA is not a fake-organization, as some girls are really interested, because they earn only enough for their basic needs, looking every 6 months or so for a new job (because the employer does not want to pay benefits and does not want keep permanent employees to avoid insurance and taxes), many are from broken families, many have a low education, some know already some Filipina woman living abroad, etc. -

The problem is about profiles, I guess. Any profil of a girl who did not login to collect her mail since more than 1 year or so should be erased, or at least made invisible due to missing activity. Also scammers/prostitutes in case of complaints from abroad have to be removed quickly.

I do not really understand Winston, why he is silent about it. To clean up profiles is not a bad idea. The AFA database is huge, the girls do exist - they are for real, but a huge majority of them are not interested anymore - or never have been - in internet dating.

I am aware that of course after cleanup maybe only 10 percent of the profiles will remain visible, but this is not necessarily a bad thing.

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Re: Winston, you still trust AFA (Foreign Affair)?

Post by Mr Natural » March 21st, 2015, 1:18 pm

Yohan wrote:AFA is not a fake-organization, as some girls are really interested ... The problem is about profiles, I guess. Any profil of a girl who did not login to collect her mail since more than 1 year or so should be erased, or at least made invisible due to missing activity.


What you are saying doesn't make sense. First, I see no indication on the AFA website about when or how often the various girls login to collect their mail. In fact we don't know that any given girl ever logs in and in fact all of the letters AFA is charging $5-$15 for may very well be written by operators-translators. Second, if 90% of the profiles (your figures) are not interested or outdated and AFA doesn't tell you, I would have to say that pretty much qualifies as a scam operation. Don't you?

Yohan wrote:I do not really understand Winston, why he is silent about it. To clean up profiles is not a bad idea. The AFA database is huge, the girls do exist - they are for real, but a huge majority of them are not interested anymore - or never have been - in internet dating.
Once again, AFA is presenting their database as available reachable girls. If a huge majority of them are not interested or never have been, then they don't exist for the purposes for which they are being put forward. And for which you are being charged. Don't you understand this? And about Winston, he has nothing to do with cleaning up the profiles or their database, he is simply an affiliate. But he has everything to do with promoting and profiting from such an organization. Winston obviously doesn't have the ethics to stand up and disassociate himself from his largest sponsor. Or at the very least to make some phone calls and find out what the hell is going on.
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Re: Winston, you still trust AFA (Foreign Affair)?

Post by Yohan » March 21st, 2015, 4:45 pm

Mr Natural wrote:
I see no indication on the AFA website about when or how often the various girls login to collect their mail. In fact we don't know that any given girl ever logs in and in fact all of the letters AFA is charging $5-$15 for may very well be written by operators-translators. Second, if 90% of the profiles (your figures) are not interested or outdated and AFA doesn't tell you, I would have to say that pretty much qualifies as a scam operation.
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AFA is presenting their database as available reachable girls. If a huge majority of them are not interested or never have been, then they don't exist for the purposes for which they are being put forward.
I fully agree with you that these matchmaking/introduction websites like AFA are anything else but transparent.
It is easy for the owner to add to the profiles the last log-in date. It is easy for the owner to remove or make invisible profiles without activity during 12 months etc.

To offer a database against payment claiming it is up to date, while maybe 90 percent of all profiles are outdated, is plainly wrong, maybe illegal activity.

However the financial damage calculated per man is low and I never heard about lawsuits against such online introduction companies. Proof is difficult, as the site owner cannot be kept responsible for girls who are not reading or not replying email from men unknown to them.

About Winston, he is earning money for promoting such websites and as long as these websites are not facing legal consequences for their services, Winston can promote them.

As I said, best is not to sign up with 'marriage introduction services', save your money and get on an airplane.
15 USD for translating a letter which might be a fake? Are you kidding me?

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Re: Winston, you still trust AFA (Foreign Affair)?

Post by Ghost » March 22nd, 2015, 2:47 am

Such agencies are not about helping men, but making money. Even the "legit" ones. That much should be clear to everyone.

I'm tired of seeing all these hot women advertised around the forum when it is clear they are not attainable in any way. It is obvious that most of them are models or some-such and would not be who you would really meet by going abroad.

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