Agreed, just a shame that the "social" method seems to be the only real alternative. Some years ago I remember this guy, first name was Alex, who worked as sort of a consultant/guide. He was in Russia or one of the other east European countries, I wonder if he is still around. I always thought that would be a much better way than how these big companies do the meat market socials. But I wonder how viable it would be economically, would guys be willing to pay thousands to a consultant/guide? I doubt it.
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Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)
Discussion for marriage-minded members seeking foreign brides for marriage and serious long-term relationships.
Everybody has a plan til they get punched in the mouth
Ok I was trying to remember this guys name and did a little research. It's Alex Pinto and he runs a consulting biz in Ukraine. Website is www.fhdating.com Expensive? Depends on how you look at it. Looks like he has a one week "tour" (for you only, not a group tour) for $3600 and a 1.5 year executive membership for $6800. This sounds like a lot compared to the other tours but I think he is doing things much more the way it should be done. He looks to be basically selling his services as a consultant/translator/guide. Don't know anything about his honesty or ethics but in his website he looks so much more legit and effective than Dream Connections or AFA with their tours. Incidentally I don't know this guy, have never spoken or communicated or have any connection to him. It's just that his business model, ie his process, just seems so much more the way this should be done. Anybody know anything about this guy?
Everybody has a plan til they get punched in the mouth
Wouldn't you want a female as your translator/guide?
His wife, who is native to the area does the translating. At least I assume it's her, the website says it's a dedicated female translator assigned to you. They seem to work together as a team.
(edit) I just noticed that this guy Alex Pinto has already been mentioned in this thread. Just finished reading through this entire thread and although most of it is just petty sniping, there is absolute gold, no PLATINUM, on page 90 from the poster "watts". He lives in Ukraine but what he rants about in several posts is SO relevant to all countries and the whole foreign dating subject. Pretty much on the strong side but he tells it like it is. Wow. Best posts I have seen on this entire forum, page 90 check it out if you didn't see them.
Everybody has a plan til they get punched in the mouth
It's not about choosing a wife at the socials or on the tour, it's about finding someone to start a relationship with. Marrying someone without spending a lot more time with her would be completely foolish, but to get to the point of spending a lot more time with someone, you have to start somewhere. Where in the US can I meet women who are seriously interested in marriage and family? Believe me, I have tried a lot of things over the decades and the only venues where I had any success in dating have since gone down the SJW rabbit hole. The dating world in the West is so dysfunctional and flat out dangerous that I and many other men have given up.
I know I am still looking and still researching. A Dream Connections tour is a chance to meet more single women who are seriously interested in a relationship than I would typically meet in a year. Is it the best choice for me? I don't know. Given that I am a statistical outlier, I've been thinking that one of the matchmaking services might be a better choice, so I have been researching them as well.
Agreed, Watts dropped some great stuff, which confirms everything others with substantial experience in Ukraine, such as truthseeker and lfl, have been saying. Forget about online dating overseas -- you've got to get your butt over there..
Realize there is no magic bullet to finding that one. Just lots of work.
Make sense to learn the language as best you can visit or try to stay as long as you can. Be decent person and network. Having some game helps too.
Lots of luck too.
Guys who turn to dating service do it cause they need someone to hold their hands . I understand .
Of course he did not get the girl
When a woman tells you she dont want your balding old ass and you give her 10k to try and change her mind you are truly a special kind of moron. Plus what if she married the guy? Then she did it just for the money!! Not that this fool would understand that. Now she proved to be a "good" girl by not taking the man just his 10k donation)))
I have used all these companies in Ukraine NOT to find a lady. I have no problem meeting local GOOD ladies.
I do it for the pure comedy of what you see. Or to experience just how much of a shady scammer this or that company/matchmaker is. I have money and free time so its a little hobby. Its down right scary how weird most men on these tours are. And the more "private" companies are anything from good to gold diggers paradise.
The worst is Diolli in kharkiv. In their office on the wall they got a picture of girls from the staf with a big fat text over it saying "big girls need big diamonds" That is a perfect example of the gold diggers mindset in that matchmaker company. You could probably find more down to earth girls in NYC than with diolli
The AFA coaching is a joke. Not that most guys would get it anyway.
They prefer to just say dont write letters dont write letters dont write letter BECAUSE they KNOW all men will hear is WRITE LETTERS not the "dont" part.
Just like mark saying they have 80% success then he add not all get married just so he cant be sued.
He knows all the men will hear is 80% when reality is more like 10%
and that 10% is mostly made up of older people. So if you are not 50+ you are probably looking at 2-4% success.
The funny thing is Nikolaev is full of very good looking woman in the 27-33 age range and DC are getting none of them. The ladies mark interview on the last tour were not even from nikolaev and 2 not even from Ukraine. For anyone who is not a clueless fool this should tell you something.
Do you really expect Mark to tell the truth? Mark is no truthseeker
and other news in the dc cesspool Steves (she never even liked him) screened good girl (gold digger) Victoria is not hunting for ignorant men on Ukrainedate.com I guess some of the other dc "good girls" hunting for men on that site told her about it. Why date weird guys coming to nikolaev when you can just scam them online. I guess shes moving up in the world
Well said and spot on. Mark have screwed over everybody ever involved in edc/dc from the very start.
Of course he dont mind using shady marketing like vloggers posting great reviews and getting paid for it.
But hey at least the suckers get a "james bond experience in bkk"
Mark have zero knowledge about Thai society or how the LBFM think.
He also have no clue what can happen to an outsider trying to be someone. In Ukraine the locals just laugh at him behind his back. In bkk he might end up on the bottom of the river rolled up in chicken net.
Lets crunch some numbers!!
Mark wants 40k for the next project in Nikolaev.
So why is he not putting in 200k and make the 40k in 3 weeks?
No he is like always begging others (fools) to do the real work or in this scam take the risk.
Just so he can earn a few HUNDREDS??????????????????
Make 40k in 3 weeks vs a few hundreds??? Do you smell the huge pile of steaming dog shit?
NowMining claim to be based in the UK to avoid the US to go after them but really in the US
A company that can make 1% a day 7 days a week need investors or willing to share the profit because they have a big heart
Im a professional trader with the focus on currency trading. I can tell you there are no big hearts in this business only endless greed and back stabing.
The name Bernard Madoff ring any bells?
Or Mr Ponzi?
People were begging Madoff to invest their money for a (fake)10-12% return PER YEAR!!
Mr Jesus freak Mark is sitting on something that get you 10-12% in less than 2 weeks
But of course he dont want to invest his own money since he clearly not like making to much money being a jesus freak and all. So he will just take a few hundred from you and let you make the big bucks!!
But I bet all his tours to nikolaev will still have 20-25 guys netting Mark 80-100k per tour. There is an endless supply or ignorant suckers in the world.
Not long ago one company Im a part owner in put on an event in the same place Mark have his Socials.
We had way better food and drinks than the dc socials have and it was still DIRT CHEAP!! So these events during the tour cost mark peanuts. Hell if the currency just jump a bit he might net the whole 5k people paid pre tour
and the 80% success rate is truly special. I ran in to a guy from the last Ukraine tour. He was part of Marks 80% yet when I ran in to him shortly after the dc tour his success had gone from 80% to 0% and he was at an AFA tour hoping to find a better girl than the shady girl he met with DC
When you go from DC to AFA hoping to find better girls you are truly f***ed
many of the guys on DC tour Have never been outside of the US
They would never have the balls to jump on a plane to Poland or any other place alone. Imagine these social retards walking around Poland trying to pick up girls
They need someone to hold their hand and spoon feed them BS and big dreams.
Well done going to Poland having fun and saving 4640 bucks by not using DC
You are missing the point!!!
First of all over paying is always dumb no matter if its a 5k tour or a 5million dollar mansion.
Everything have a fair value.
But the real problem is Mark sell a 5k dream and motivate the high price with pure lies!!
If he had 80-100 truly screened GOOD high quality ladies the 5k price would be a steal.
But when you fill a room with old, over weight, ugly, desperate, single mothers YOU ARE NOT PROVIDING A PREMIUM PRODUCT!!
Most of these women cant find a local man because nobody want them!! Not because all local men are alcoholic wife beaters like Marks make it sound.
So he is charging a premium price for a non premium product. It is that simple.
One woman and probably one of the few good lookers showing up in recent years comes from a local agency.
Thats not a huge problem as many of these gold diggers come from local pay per letter scam agencies as do translators. Translators who knowingly spend all their time SCAMMING MEN writing fake letters.
Ok back to the hot woman. This woman is not exactly unknown for her past in Nikolaev. So what is her past and how can she afford to dress is very expensive clothes with hardly any income you ask?
Well the answer is DUBAI!!!
Thats right. Shes part of a small group of women from Nikolaev flting to Dubai to get brutally gang raped by a large group of local men. And it does not stop with just gang rapes it goes much further than that.
1 weekend if you are willing to get shit on. gang raped, suck a camel dick and what have you can net these girls 10k+ usd
There are several of these girls in Nikolaev and at least one have been to DC socials.
They spend all day in the gym and spa or eating sushi.
Blow all their money on clothes and lip fillers. When the money is gone its back to Dubai again.
Id December 2017 one of these girls in Nikolaev jumped out of a window killing her self. After several trips to Dubai she was so f***ed up she could not stand living.
This stuff you will never hear about because average Joe has no clue.
Then you have something similar but not as brutal going on in Nikolaev. Groups of men from Turkey travel to Nikolaev for the same purpose. Even a larger group of girls are involved in this and many of them come from local MARRIAGE agencies. More like pimp companies.
So if you find a hot girl who seem to have more than she should look for clues.
Like vacation pictures in Dubai and run for your life
SCREENED GIRLS MY ASS!!
Dont you know Alex was the guy who got Mark started in Ukraine? Marks first 2 tours were to Poltava with Alex. Then Mark stabbed him in the back and set up shop in Nikolaev.
Is this a good service or not?