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In Manila right now, all girls ignoring me, exactly like USA

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Postby green1976 » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:47 pm

MrPeabody wrote:
green1976 wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:You failed to read between the lines. When they talk about friendly women in the Philippines, they are talking about prostitutes. Normal non-professional women are the same everywhere.


Prostitutes are not disconnected from normal non professional women.
Before being prostitutes,they are women.



A normal woman and a prostitute are not the same thing. That's a common delusion of men who get into the mongering sub culture.


Yeah..this is why an average normal non professional woman in the US is exactly the same than an average normal non professional woman in the Philippines.
Nothing different..everything is equal.
The changes are only in the prostitute level lol like by a magical spell.

Everything is disconnected and no correlation between a prostitute and a non prostitute haha.

I will keep deluded and let the ones like you to be enlightened. :D

Hasta la vista en Mejico!!
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Postby C.J. » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:41 pm

unhappyinmanila, you sound like the most neediest, most depraved guy in town! XD

And you went to a not-so-optimum spot in the Philippines to get a date. And you spent a couple G to do it? Man, you're thinking with your "small brain". You need to start thinking with your bigger one! :)
First of all, while you might find some easy dates, the truth of the matter is you need to get your feet wet in any foreign country you go to, to get quality women. You need to spend time there.

If for example, you spend just a week in the Philippines, thinking you can get a reason to stay there in that amount of time is a foolish mistake. You're better off getting some P4P action in that case.

Based on glancing at a few posts here, I got this about dating in the Philippines:

-The most action you'll be getting are from escorts/bargirls, and low class(read: poor as hell, pay for all their stuff) women. This is because they want money, and you got it.
-Middle class(your native class) citizens won't want you, because they already have money and don't need you. You're just another face in the crowd to them, you don't stand out.
-Manila is not a good place to date around. Cebu is a good place to start.

If you really wanted to make use of that money, you should've just invested in some US P4P action, started your own business and you would still have some money left to spare. Gambling a couple grand for a chance to find a date without knowing my chances is unwise to say the least. At least with the above, you wouldn't have to gamble.

Now, I'm not saying your trip will be in vain. But you should've planned things out, it would've made your life a lot easier.
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Re: In Manila right now, all girls ignoring me, exactly like

Postby OutWest » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:54 pm

unhappyinmanila wrote:OK, so after reading this forum and varius other ones, I decided to take the plunge and
take some time off work to come to Manila and see what all the fuss is about.
I notice no differences in what you describe as women being more approachable here.

What is going on?
you
I was just at the mall of asia, I approached a few filipinas, tried to ask for directions,
opened with "Hi, how are you doing". I get no response at all. They just look at me
and then walk away.

How is this place different from the US? I've been here for a few days now, so far
I can't manage to get a date. so what is everyone talking about?

Is anyone else here in Manila?


Seems like your expectations have mislead you. Yes, many here seem to confuse hookers as dates...
commonly known as GRO's in the Philippines. For a short stay (not a good idea)
you have gone to the least desirable place. I avoid Metro Manila like the plague.
You are far better off in a smaller southern city or town. Cagayan de Oro is one of my favorites.
I met my wife there. We currently have a home just a ways from there.
Unfortunately, I am in the states now till end of the year, but if you private mail me, I can give you
some very useful input. I assure you, if I were single, I could meet more attractive girls, and a
phone full of numbers for more girls than I would have time for...you just have to know how
to fish in these waters. Most of them would never have set foot in a bar.

And no, women are not the same everywhere, but the American male's approach is pretty much
stuck in the same mode, as evidenced by most of the conversations here.
Mail me and I can get more specific in a few exchanges.

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Postby davewe » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:27 pm

unhappyinmanila wrote:It appears most of the dates that people are getting here and reporting back are from hookers.
Is there anyone here that has actually dated a regular girl who is not a hooker and has
a positive experience from it?

Most filipinas here are very cold from what I see and no different from American women.
You can even say they are worse. I am coming to see the sad reality that it is likely the same
everywhere in the world.


Since you still have a little time, why not hop a short flight to Cebu and get a feel for a very different environment from Manila.
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Postby magnum » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:35 pm

see, this is what I was scared of personally.


I don't know where the "right" places are just like the OP.


you keep speaking of money....and poor girls....you are saying exactly what the american women always accuse men of when they get a foreign bride.


"they get a poor girl who has no choice"

"if they had money you wouldn't stand a chance with a girl like that"

see everything I just read points to them being right, and that's devastating, how's a guy supposed find a woman who isn't poor, of quality who is interested in love, not financial security?

I've got 3k saved up, I could have just as easily spent all my money trying my luck in another country, so I think all the experienced and only experienced posters need to speak on this, and plainly say if they paid hookers, or if they found normal girls of quality in normal places, so far it seems like all your guys hook ups and dates all happened in the red district.

Come on guys, tell me I'm wrong and give me good details, because I really want to be.
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Postby jcris7 » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:42 pm

To the OP:
Relax bro! This is all a learning experience, and it will take some time to de-program from the toxic American/Western environment you were in. If you have time and the $$, you need to hop on a plane and get over to Cebu or Mindanao. This is where the REAL Filipinas are. Manila is a dump. It's like the Philippine version of New York City -- crowded, dirty, busy and like other said...a career, ladder climbing atmosphere that is conducive to more anti-social behavior.

My suggestion would also be, next time you take a trip there, have girls already lined up to meet, from the various dating websites. Talk with them via skype ahead of time to get a feel for their personality.
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Re: In Manila right now, all girls ignoring me, exactly like

Postby Rock » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:55 pm

unhappyinmanila wrote:OK, so after reading this forum and varius other ones, I decided to take the plunge and
take some time off work to come to Manila and see what all the fuss is about.
I notice no differences in what you describe as women being more approachable here.

What is going on?

I was just at the mall of asia, I approached a few filipinas, tried to ask for directions,
opened with "Hi, how are you doing". I get no response at all. They just look at me
and then walk away.

How is this place different from the US? I've been here for a few days now, so far
I can't manage to get a date. so what is everyone talking about?

Is anyone else here in Manila?


Oh man, I so feel your pain. I know exactly what you're talking about. PI (Luzon at least) has been so over-rated here for so long. You should have read some of my related posts instead of just getting sucked-in by all the hype.

In fact, I've had more luck with regular girls in Bangkok even though they: 1. Generally don't speak good English and 2. Are much more exposed to westerners (ie should be more jaded). As for the rest of Asia, much of China is in a whole different league. Taiwan too in spite of possible coldness in the beginning.

Girls in Luzon are usually one of the following:

1. Some form of P4P and even many of those are not very easy, especially the tiny minority which are actually attractive to a degree.

2. So poor that they need a Santa Clause like you to take them and their extended family members out shopping, to restaurants, etc. Hmm, No. 1 above is probably much better value for money.

3. Middle class and above which means they want nothing to do with you and the stigma that goes with being seen with you. You are and always will be a foreigner there and the self sufficient classes generally want nothing to do with you socially.

To add to the pain, Filipinas I've seen are generally not attractive. They tend to be short dark and ugly. So you end up having to either pay for the company of homely girls or get rejected by them, sometimes both, lol. As Winston recently pointed out, they tend to have a lot of other very undesirable traits too.

I hate to say this, but Lad, who spends most of his time in the whore districts of Angeles and Ermita these days, is living in some sort of strange bubble world when it comes to PI. He imagines that by speaking Tagalog, he's accepted as a local and that some of the girls are genuinely interested in him, not just his support. Talk to Mr. S if you can. He's been there a long time and has a realistic idea of what is and what's not possible IMO.

At the very minimum, you should at least get down to Cebu and make a bunch of approaches. I have yet to go there. But there seems to be a strong consensus here that its clearly better than Manila.

In the bigger picture, there are so many countries to choose from. You need to do a lot of homework and preparation. Ideally, you could find something closer to home (Mexico might be good choice) which fits your style, learn the local language, correspond with lots of girls online, and spend more time in-country when you actually make the trip.

Good luck man. Don't give-up. It's true that it takes time to get vibed with a country. But once you do, and start dating, I think you will find girls are night-and-day different from the US, in many countries at least. I was dry for my first 2 weeks or so in some of my favorite countries. But once I got going, I was batting way out of my league from a US perspective. Achieving the most out of this lifestyle, like anything of value, requires some hard work. Its not get off the plane and get swarmed like a rock star, not for most of us anyway.
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Postby unhappyinmanila » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:02 pm

Thank you for eveyones input. I greatly appreciate it!
Thanks to ladislav for offering to show me around.

At this point going to Cebu is out of the question, maybe I can come to Angeles City
but again I don't want to go there for hookers, is it better to meet regular girls there?

The girls that I attempted to talk to at SM malls are probably the "middle class"
girls that you mention and have quite a bit of money so they don't want to associate
with foreigners.

Is there a place in manila where I can find lower class girls who are not hookers?
I'm assuming that all girls that go to SM must have money since, SM is very expensive,
almost US prices on most things except for Jolibee.

Thanks everyone

P.s. for the record I am not old (under thirty) and fairly good looking.

I heard that the Hard Rock Cafe might be a good place, anyone have experience there?
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Postby Rock » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:23 pm

MrPeabody wrote:You failed to read between the lines. When they talk about friendly women in the Philippines, they are talking about prostitutes. Normal non-professional women are the same everywhere.


That doesn't sound very consistent with what you written in the past about your experience in Thailand and other foreign countries. So regular women around the globe, according to you, are just like American women? So Happier Abroad is just about P4P as far as enjoying the company of foreign women is concerned?
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Postby Simoun » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:38 am

I was just in Manila a few weeks ago. I hung out with 2 hosts I met on blossoms, one was middle class and one was poorer. I would not have gone to Manila without my hosts, or having done so, I would not have complained about the approachability of women, based on my trip. Yes, filipinas speak English, but from my experience it's kind of like Americans who learn Spanish in high school. True, they can communicate basically and they're exposed to English from the tv and movies, but day to day they speak tagalog, visaya, cebuano, etc. So their English isn't great. Many of the girls who you are approaching may not speak English that well; hence their shyness.

Also, whatever your background, you might have noticed from the Mall of Asia that you are a bit of an oddity there. For several days I was the only non-filipino around that I was aware of.

This trip doesn't have to be a failure though. Consider it a first step in a multi-step process. Use it as a means of learning about the country. If you can, take up ladislav or another member to hang out as they will show you more about Luzon than you can learn on your own in a month. Alternately, despite your intentions, I'd avoid the tourist attractions and go to the girl bars. Barfine a girl who speaks English, take her to a restaurant or back to your hotel, drink San Miguel and just chat. I imagine she could tell you more about Luzon and what's what than the regulars on this board could.

Anyway, I hope the rest of your trip goes better.
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Postby MrPeabody » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:17 am

Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:You failed to read between the lines. When they talk about friendly women in the Philippines, they are talking about prostitutes. Normal non-professional women are the same everywhere.


That doesn't sound very consistent with what you written in the past about your experience in Thailand and other foreign countries. So regular women around the globe, according to you, are just like American women? So Happier Abroad is just about P4P as far as enjoying the company of foreign women is concerned?


Women are women. They have the same genetics but are in different situation. Once you marry her, she will cease to be exotic. I'm trying to counteract the "marriage agency" and other hype that makes men believe they can just go to another country and all women will be interested. This is a little immature, don't you think so? I am consistent - I have always said that you can meet a normal woman but it will be a challenge and don't expect easy results. I am not condemning mongers, but I believe in truthful disclosure. Men on many websites make it look easy when the reality is they are actually just meeting prostitutes. Planet Love use to give glowing reports making it sound like women would pursue you if you just went to Colombia. I flew down to Colombia and discovered these posts tended to be made by a small group of mongers located in Cali. The next time I flew to Bogota where it is possible to meet a legitimate woman.
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Postby ladislav » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:48 am

Another option is to go the online route. I have met many great virginal and professional girls that way. Go to dateinasia.com and also www.pinalove.com. These are both free to join. In the search function pick the city Manila or Makati or Pasay or Quezon City or Taguig. These are all in Metro Manila. Then, email ( it is free) some 20-40 girls and ask for their phone number and also give them yours in the email. You should be able to have a couple of dates within a few days. If you don't mind paying, try the blossoms.com and loveme.com and again choose the girls in Manila.
The above will guarantee dates like pronto.
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Postby Rock » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:06 am

MrPeabody wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:You failed to read between the lines. When they talk about friendly women in the Philippines, they are talking about prostitutes. Normal non-professional women are the same everywhere.


That doesn't sound very consistent with what you written in the past about your experience in Thailand and other foreign countries. So regular women around the globe, according to you, are just like American women? So Happier Abroad is just about P4P as far as enjoying the company of foreign women is concerned?


Women are women. They have the same genetics but are in different situation. Once you marry her, she will cease to be exotic. I'm trying to counteract the "marriage agency" and other hype that makes men believe they can just go to another country and all women will be interested. This is a little immature, don't you think so? I am consistent - I have always said that you can meet a normal woman but it will be a challenge and don't expect easy results. I am not condemning mongers, but I believe in truthful disclosure. Men on many websites make it look easy when the reality is they are actually just meeting prostitutes. Planet Love use to give glowing reports making it sound like women would pursue you if you just went to Colombia. I flew down to Colombia and discovered these posts tended to be made by a small group of mongers located in Cali. The next time I flew to Bogota where it is possible to meet a legitimate woman.


Perhaps we should make clearer distinctions between P4P, quasi P4P, and non-P4P when speaking of our experiences with women abroad. As I remember, your experiences were non-P4P and tended to be positive.

Speaking of Cali, I've had several fantastic dating experiences with non-P4P women. They who would not have given me the time of day in the States even in my best years. One young inexperienced girl I dated liked me so much that she was visibly nervous in my presence. Another white skinned girl in the Cali airport going through security right ahead of me kept staring at my eyes with some kind of strong curiosity. I started talking to her and found out she was just 16 and her parents were right there with her. I met lots of young girls from various backgrounds. Many were sincerely interested in dating me. I also met the odd gold digger too but they were easy to recognize and eliminate. Funny thing is, my initial feeling in Bogota was not as good as people seemed colder and more serious in general. So I didn't spend much time there.

As for long term relationships, I've done those in Taiwan. Believe it or not, some women don't transform into monsters after months or years. I have yet to marry a foreign (or American) woman. But I know plenty of others who've done so and many of them have no regrets to this day.

When you say non P4P women are the same everywhere, that strongly contradicts much of my personal experience with attractive young women abroad; whether it be approachability of strangers, having a prolific dating life, or with long term relationships.
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Postby Winston » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:24 am

unhappyinmanila wrote:
ladislav wrote:I am not far from Manila. Dude you need to chill out! The 1st few nights you need detox. Get into a taxi and tell the driver to take you to:

EDSA Entertainment Center in Pasay. Go inside all the clubs there.

next

go to Burgos Street in Makati ( where the bars are) - that is what you tell the driver. Hang out in the bars there.

Then we will talk.


listen, im not looking to date hookers,
im looking to date normal girls.

are you telling me the only girls willing to give guys a chance are hookers/strippers?

how is this happier abroad?

if you pay hookers in the us, they will talk to you too obvioulsy, they are hookers

what about the normal girls?


First of all, the girls in Mall of Asia are usually middle class and don't like to talk to strangers much. They don't even talk to me. Second, you can go on DateinAsia.com any time and write to the girls, show your profile/photo, and most of them will be glad to meet you on the spot. Try it.

You can also go to the Malate/Ermita area. The girls on the street are free lancers and very approachable. You can also go to LA Cafe. There are hundreds of girls there that super approachable and make eye contact with you, as long as you look at them.

Remember that bar girls/freelancers there are NOT like American hookers at all. They are far more affectionate and personable. Go out with one and you will see what I mean. They will treat you like a boyfriend if you are nice and they like you. They are not cold and impersonal, and will flirt back too. Find one with a good vibe and you will see what I mean.

Why did you go to Manila? You should have gone to Cebu or Angeles City.
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Postby Repatriate » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:29 am

But the guy is insisting that he doesn't want to party with hookers. Why do people keep telling him to go to p4p areas in the Philippines? :lol: It doesn't matter how friendly the contact is a hooker is still a hooker, p4p is p4p.

Some guys are looking for a legitimate regular girls to date.
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