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I agree with Winston's opinion about Taiwan.

Postby chenwandak » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:14 pm

Hi everyone, I am a Taiwanese guy. And I hope you guys can understand my bad English. :D
First of all, I find this article written by Winston is very accurate.
Taiwan is a one hell of social nightmare where young people are very cliquish, introverted and toward people they don't know cold.

From my personal experience, if you move to a new enviroment(Like from high school to universty) alone, then you have to suffer from one year or two years of loneliness until you are fortunate enough to join a clique. Because they usually like to stick with their own clique and refuse to meet new friend. And they will look down on you and see you as a loser if you ask them to let you join their clique directly. Like my current situation, I am now a graduate student, and I don't belong to any cliques in my current universty. I feel so lonely right now. Write an article like this is the only way to relief my misery. And I can't talk to anyone about this in real life. Because it will makes me sounds like a loser. And everybody will conclude that I don't have social skill. :(

Actually, I do have social skill. At least, I know how to interact with people. I know how to find topics during conversations. I have sense of humor. But, in Taiwan these skills seems not enough to meet new friends.

As for young women, like Winston mentioned in his article. They are very indirect. If she find you attractive, she won't show you any messages. And try to avoid you when you approaching her. Someone may ask me:" If she don't show any messages, how do you know she find you attractive?" Well, because I'v noticed that she's staring at me and talk to her friends that I'm handsome when I am in distance. But when I try to approach her, she forms an ice barrier and turns her head away.And I'v been asked questions like this countless times: "You are very good looking. Why don't you get a girlfriend? ", "You used to studied too hard. Get a girlfriend and relax yourself.". Man, I really want to get laid. But how? My circle of friends don't have any girls. And none of my male friends can introduce me one(The most common way to meet upside-sex in Taiwan.).
But something I find ironic is that if you are a white guy, they do approach you actively! When I was in my Junior year, I went to a conference with my professor and my classmates. There are a lot of white guys in that conference. And I saw a Taiwanese girl go pick-up those white guys and ask one of them to give her phone numbers. I mean...how can women behave like this? See their own men as inferior. That really makes me sick!

I have a shitty life now. Full of boring schoolworks. No social life. No girlfriend. And I have to pretend that I am very happy about my current situation. Because, if I don't people will think that I must have something wrong. This is absolutely not the life I want. I hate it!

After I finish my master degree, I want to go aboard. Get a sexy blond white chick. And nuke this f***ing island. :twisted:
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Postby momopi » Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:15 pm

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Postby chenwandak » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:45 am

momopi wrote:去背包客棧認識一些朋友

You mean this site?
OK.......I'll try it.
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Postby Falcon » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:45 am

Welcome to the forum, chenwandak. Thanks for sharing your story. I am a completely fluent native Mandarin speaker, and am also of Taiwanese descent. (Actually my grandparents are 外省人, but whatever.)

Before entering high school, my dad warned me that kids there will often be "一堆朋友" or "一大群朋友" (a pile/big crowd of friends; in other words, cliques). He said that Taiwanese youth these days aren't much different.

After I finish my master degree, I want to go aboard. Get a sexy blond white chick. And nuke this f***ing island.


看人。金髮藍眼的女孩子不一定會比較好。

你想去那些國家?

But something I find ironic is that if you are a white guy, they do approach you actively! When I was in my Junior year, I went to a conference with my professor and my classmates. There are a lot of white guys in that conference. And I saw a Taiwanese girl go pick-up those white guys and ask one of them to give her phone numbers. I mean...how can women behave like this? See their own men as inferior. That really makes me sick!


Perhaps one of them may have been Winston's buddy, Rock. :P jkjk
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Re: I agree with Winston's opinion about Taiwan.

Postby Rock » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:36 am

chenwandak wrote:Hi everyone, I am a Taiwanese guy. And I hope you guys can understand my bad English. :D
First of all, I find this article written by Winston is very accurate.
Taiwan is a one hell of social nightmare where young people are very cliquish, introverted and toward people they don't know cold.

From my personal experience, if you move to a new enviroment(Like from high school to universty) alone, then you have to suffer from one year or two years of loneliness until you are fortunate enough to join a clique. Because they usually like to stick with their own clique and refuse to meet new friend. And they will look down on you and see you as a loser if you ask them to let you join their clique directly. Like my current situation, I am now a graduate student, and I don't belong to any cliques in my current universty. I feel so lonely right now. Write an article like this is the only way to relief my misery. And I can't talk to anyone about this in real life. Because it will makes me sounds like a loser. And everybody will conclude that I don't have social skill. :(

Actually, I do have social skill. At least, I know how to interact with people. I know how to find topics during conversations. I have sense of humor. But, in Taiwan these skills seems not enough to meet new friends.

As for young women, like Winston mentioned in his article. They are very indirect. If she find you attractive, she won't show you any messages. And try to avoid you when you approaching her. Someone may ask me:" If she don't show any messages, how do you know she find you attractive?" Well, because I'v noticed that she's staring at me and talk to her friends that I'm handsome when I am in distance. But when I try to approach her, she forms an ice barrier and turns her head away.And I'v been asked questions like this countless times: "You are very good looking. Why don't you get a girlfriend? ", "You used to studied too hard. Get a girlfriend and relax yourself.". Man, I really want to get laid. But how? My circle of friends don't have any girls. And none of my male friends can introduce me one(The most common way to meet upside-sex in Taiwan.).
But something I find ironic is that if you are a white guy, they do approach you actively! When I was in my Junior year, I went to a conference with my professor and my classmates. There are a lot of white guys in that conference. And I saw a Taiwanese girl go pick-up those white guys and ask one of them to give her phone numbers. I mean...how can women behave like this? See their own men as inferior. That really makes me sick!

I have a shitty life now. Full of boring schoolworks. No social life. No girlfriend. And I have to pretend that I am very happy about my current situation. Because, if I don't people will think that I must have something wrong. This is absolutely not the life I want. I hate it!

After I finish my master degree, I want to go aboard. Get a sexy blond white chick. And nuke this f***ing island. :twisted:


Welcome to the forum. We are your friends here and have been through similar experiences.

According to what you write, you are young, decent looking, have reasonable social skills, and are educated to boot. Well, don't fret. You have a lot to look forward to as far as dating is concerned.

First and foremost, don't write-off Taiwan yet. What you need to do is separate your work environment (in your case your uni) from your social field (where you approach girls and experiment with different methods and strategies). Best is you are in Taipei area cus its easiest area to be aggressive while remaining anonymous. Very important is that you be willing to break certain unwritten social rules this culture has programmed you with.

Meet up with me sometime to go out during day and visit some public places (bookstores, markets, MRT stations, malls, shops, other unis, etc.) and show you how easy it is to get a list of prospects who have no connection with your personal work/school circles. We could also hit clubs at night but those girls tend to be less suitable for longer term. Once you get a prospect list going, you can work it - over the phone, What's App, Facebook, etc. When additional opportunities present themselves (ie when you see gals you like out in public and number close them), you can add to the list.

If you have some sense about how to get dates with your prospects at the right stage, and bounce the girls back to your place when the iron is hot, you should be getting action within a month or two at the latest assuming you put in a few hours every week. I can get the ball rolling for you if we meet up at some point. I've done it with Winston a couple times down south.

Thing is, its not so hard to get numbers. But how receptive the girls are to you during the follow-up will depend both on her initial impression of you (A. not romantic prospect, B. neutral, C. mildly attracted, or D. strongly attracted) and your phone/chat skills. If she's an A, then you will prolly get nothing no matter how strong your follow-ups are If she's a B, it will be hard work but you may get her in time if she's single. With a C, you have a great chance to turn her into a romantic partner within days to weeks depending on how open she is, her relationship status, and the quality of your follow-up. With a D, you have a great chance of getting physical very quickly with her even if she has a bf. If you are as you say, and approach a few dozen girls, there should definitely be some Cs and Ds in the mix.

I don't have much experience going out with local or ABC guys. But I do have a great sense about Taiwan girls which comes from much firsthand trial-and-error experience. So I can probably be of some help to you even though your situation is different to that of a westerner.

And, if after doing everything I propose, you don't get anywhere within a few months, there's the whole rest of the world to consider. The hotspots for a guy like you (where you would likely enjoy the biggest handicap) include China and Thailand. But if you must have more western looking girls, consider certain parts of LatAm. I think decent looking or better pure white girls are extremely tough for NE Asian guys unless they are unusually handsome and/or masculine.

Hope you will follow-up with some solid action to change your situation.
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Postby Winston » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:09 pm

Welcome to the forum chenwandak.

Are you really a local Taiwanese? Can I call you to confirm? lol. I've never seen a Taiwanese write English so fluently unless he's lived overseas. You must have a knack for languages and be pretty bright.

I'm glad you realize the obvious things in my article. Such taboo things, though obvious, are taboo to talk about, so no one ever does. It's weird how that is. But congrats to have the courage to speak out the plain truth.

Where in Taiwan are you from? Have you lived overseas?

How come you didn't join a typical Taiwanese clique? Is it because you don't like to conform or don't like to act superficial?

Don't you hate how 99.99 percent or more of Taiwanese and Asians only know how to follow and conform, like thinking for yourself doesn't exist in their universe? lol

How did you find this site?

I'll use your review in my reader's comments section of my Asian Mentality treatise.

Btw, it definitely helps to go out with a white guy when trying to meet Taiwanese girls. They become more open around white guys. See the trip report by me and Rock in the trip reports section entitled "Winston and Rock do Taichung".

Thanks,
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Postby momopi » Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:24 am

chenwandak wrote:
momopi wrote:去背包客棧認識一些朋友

You mean this site?
OK.......I'll try it.



Examples:
http://www.backpackers.com.tw/forum/sho ... p?t=606762
http://www.backpackers.com.tw/forum/sho ... p?t=595758
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/n905037/7901114

首先聲明... 我沒有去到這些地方的經驗.

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Postby Falcon » Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:02 am



Haha, gotta love Taiwanese group photos. Cheesy smiles, two fingers up everywhere, and all the happy, silly faces. ... "大家來照一張相!" :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign#Jap ... hotographs

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Postby Winston » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:15 am

Chenwandak,
Your English is way too good. Did you spend time abroad? There is no way that a local TW guy can write that fluently, even if he's really smart or good with languages. It's very unusual. Even Rock, who has lived here for 10 years, thinks so.

Your IP is from Taoyuan it seems.
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