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Strong, Independent (and Lonely) Chinese Women

Postby Rocky Top » Wed May 16, 2012 11:48 pm

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... _ladies?pa ge=full

Seems the strong independent, feminist Western woman mentality has slowly going to infect China pretty soon. This is amazing, when you consider that these women have one of the best dating advantages in the world, yet they still seem to be having trouble getting married.

It just so happens that with China's economic boom, more and more women are now sharing the dilemma of the emperors' daughters. In 1982, just 5 percent of urban Chinese women ages 25 to 29 were unmarried, according to Wang. By 1995, that percentage had doubled. By 2008, it had nearly tripled. Most of these women will eventually marry, yet the percentage of women in their 30s who are single, though relatively small, is also multiplying quickly: In 1995, just 2 percent of urban Chinese women ages 30 to 34 were unmarried. By 2008, 6 percent were.

Tellingly, the least likely to marry are the most educated. In 2005 fully 7 percent of 45-year-old Shanghai women with college degrees had never married, according to Wang's research. "That's a harbinger of what's going to happen in other places [in China] for more educated women," he told me. "It's a sharp departure from before, from near-universal female marriage." Indeed, there's a common joke that there are three genders in China: men, women, and women with Ph.D.s. Men marry women, and women with Ph.D.s don't marry.
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Postby Rocky Top » Thu May 17, 2012 12:08 am

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Re: Strong, Independent (and Lonely) Chinese Women

Postby zboy1 » Thu May 17, 2012 1:51 am

Rocky Top wrote:http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/23/the_startling_plight_of_china_s_leftover_ladies?pa ge=full

Seems the strong independent, feminist Western woman mentality has slowly going to infect China pretty soon. This is amazing, when you consider that these women have one of the best dating advantages in the world, yet they still seem to be having trouble getting married.

It just so happens that with China's economic boom, more and more women are now sharing the dilemma of the emperors' daughters. In 1982, just 5 percent of urban Chinese women ages 25 to 29 were unmarried, according to Wang. By 1995, that percentage had doubled. By 2008, it had nearly tripled. Most of these women will eventually marry, yet the percentage of women in their 30s who are single, though relatively small, is also multiplying quickly: In 1995, just 2 percent of urban Chinese women ages 30 to 34 were unmarried. By 2008, 6 percent were.

Tellingly, the least likely to marry are the most educated. In 2005 fully 7 percent of 45-year-old Shanghai women with college degrees had never married, according to Wang's research. "That's a harbinger of what's going to happen in other places [in China] for more educated women," he told me. "It's a sharp departure from before, from near-universal female marriage." Indeed, there's a common joke that there are three genders in China: men, women, and women with Ph.D.s. Men marry women, and women with Ph.D.s don't marry.


Asian women are particularly vulnerable to Western feminist indoctrination. I'm hoping Asia can resist as much as possible, so that I can find a woman over there before it's too late!
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Re: Strong, Independent (and Lonely) Chinese Women

Postby Repatriate » Thu May 17, 2012 2:44 am

zboy1 wrote:Asian women are particularly vulnerable to Western feminist indoctrination. I'm hoping Asia can resist as much as possible, so that I can find a woman over there before it's too late!

Aren't you in your 30's zboy? I think you more than anyone else should really consider living abroad asap. You sound pretty miserable in the U.S. and I can sympathize with that. You really should go though while you are still relatively young. Just get as much money as you can and teach english if you have to but leave. When you're abroad just date everyone you can. Forget about "standards" and all that find as many women as you can and date them all. Go out and socialize, network, have fun, and get laid.

Btw, teaching english as an asian person in asia isn't as difficult as it's made out to be. I did some part time tutoring for a language center and it was really easy to get that job and got to know the owner really well who is now a friend of mine. I was offered other jobs several times but i'm not an english teacher so I refused most of them.
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Re: Strong, Independent (and Lonely) Chinese Women

Postby zboy1 » Thu May 17, 2012 3:01 am

Repatriate wrote:
zboy1 wrote:Asian women are particularly vulnerable to Western feminist indoctrination. I'm hoping Asia can resist as much as possible, so that I can find a woman over there before it's too late!

Aren't you in your 30's zboy? I think you more than anyone else should really consider living abroad asap. You sound pretty miserable in the U.S. and I can sympathize with that. You really should go though while you are still relatively young. Just get as much money as you can and teach english if you have to but leave. When you're abroad just date everyone you can. Forget about "standards" and all that find as many women as you can and date them all. Go out and socialize, network, have fun, and get laid.

Btw, teaching english as an asian person in asia isn't as difficult as it's made out to be. I did some part time tutoring for a language center and it was really easy to get that job and got to know the owner really well who is now a friend of mine. I was offered other jobs several times but i'm not an english teacher so I refused most of them.


Thanks for the kind words, Repatriate. I'm hopefully going to teach English in Asia sometime next fall. It just takes some time gathering all the documents, that's all. I'm going to have fun when it happens, though.
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Re: Strong, Independent (and Lonely) Chinese Women

Postby Repatriate » Thu May 17, 2012 3:54 am

zboy1 wrote:
Repatriate wrote:
zboy1 wrote:Asian women are particularly vulnerable to Western feminist indoctrination. I'm hoping Asia can resist as much as possible, so that I can find a woman over there before it's too late!

Aren't you in your 30's zboy? I think you more than anyone else should really consider living abroad asap. You sound pretty miserable in the U.S. and I can sympathize with that. You really should go though while you are still relatively young. Just get as much money as you can and teach english if you have to but leave. When you're abroad just date everyone you can. Forget about "standards" and all that find as many women as you can and date them all. Go out and socialize, network, have fun, and get laid.

Btw, teaching english as an asian person in asia isn't as difficult as it's made out to be. I did some part time tutoring for a language center and it was really easy to get that job and got to know the owner really well who is now a friend of mine. I was offered other jobs several times but i'm not an english teacher so I refused most of them.


Thanks for the kind words, Repatriate. I'm hopefully going to teach English in Asia sometime next fall. It just takes some time gathering all the documents, that's all. I'm going to have fun when it happens, though.


Besides teaching directly in Asia there are other options too like the middle east. I'm sure Ladislav knows more about this but the gulf countries will hire you on as long as you have some experience and a degree. I have an Asian-american friend who teaches in Saudi Arabia. He gets paid about 3,300 a month or so with a nice provided apartment. I think he also gets something like a total of 3 months of vacation time each year which is quite nice.

If you scrimp and save i'm sure you can save up enough to buy a very nice condo somewhere in SE Asia and settle down. Then you can just teach english locally to supplement your daily income.

There are all sorts of routes you can take really. Just don't lock yourself into a stagnant U.S. lifestyle. I look back on my life and if I could do it over again I think I would have started traveling abroad in my early 20's right after college.
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Re: Strong, Independent (and Lonely) Chinese Women

Postby Repatriate » Thu May 17, 2012 3:58 am

zboy1 wrote:
Repatriate wrote:
zboy1 wrote:Asian women are particularly vulnerable to Western feminist indoctrination. I'm hoping Asia can resist as much as possible, so that I can find a woman over there before it's too late!

Aren't you in your 30's zboy? I think you more than anyone else should really consider living abroad asap. You sound pretty miserable in the U.S. and I can sympathize with that. You really should go though while you are still relatively young. Just get as much money as you can and teach english if you have to but leave. When you're abroad just date everyone you can. Forget about "standards" and all that find as many women as you can and date them all. Go out and socialize, network, have fun, and get laid.

Btw, teaching english as an asian person in asia isn't as difficult as it's made out to be. I did some part time tutoring for a language center and it was really easy to get that job and got to know the owner really well who is now a friend of mine. I was offered other jobs several times but i'm not an english teacher so I refused most of them.


Thanks for the kind words, Repatriate. I'm hopefully going to teach English in Asia sometime next fall. It just takes some time gathering all the documents, that's all. I'm going to have fun when it happens, though.


Besides teaching directly in Asia there are other options too like the middle east. I'm sure Ladislav knows more about this but the gulf countries will hire you on as long as you have some experience and a degree. I have an Asian-american friend who teaches in Saudi Arabia. He gets paid about 3,300 a month or so with a nice provided apartment. I think he also gets something like a total of 3 months of vacation time each year which is quite nice.

If you scrimp and save i'm sure you can save up enough to buy a very nice condo somewhere in SE Asia and settle down. Then you can just teach english locally to supplement your daily income.

There are all sorts of routes you can take really. Just don't lock yourself into a stagnant U.S. lifestyle. I look back on my life and if I could do it over again I think I would have started traveling abroad in my early 20's right after college.
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Re: Strong, Independent (and Lonely) Chinese Women

Postby Jester » Thu May 17, 2012 7:20 am

Rocky Top wrote:http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/23/the_startling_plight_of_china_s_leftover_ladies?pa ge=full


Thirty years ago, a marriage certificate was a passport into adulthood. "Until you married, there were no basic human rights. No right to have sex before marriage. No house allocated by your danwei [government work unit] before marriage." Today those barriers have crumbled, with rising sexual freedom and a booming private real estate market. Why marry unless you find someone just right? "The future is different," Wu predicted, waving her arms for emphasis. China's big cities will be filled with sheng nu. "Those who can bear the shortcomings and sufferings of men will get married," she concluded. "Those not, single."

Fascinating to see a possible explanation for why families remained so strong under the Commies. Zionist/Communist totalitarian-gangster theory does not value the family at all. yet many ex-Soviet families here in California are atheists, or mixed atheists and believers, and nevertheless maintain Old-World traditions - like men in charge, women serving, virginity (at least pretended) for brides, and Sunday dinners with extended family.

How could ruthless social innovators like the Soviets end up preserving aspects of the traditional family better than the supposedly pro-family, (vaguely) Christian West did?

This article has one possible answer.

Housing allocated by the state on the basis of family formation - instead of on the basis of career, credit, and wealth.
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Postby Jester » Thu May 17, 2012 7:21 am

By the way thanks to Rocky Top for posting an exhilarating, encouraging post.

Tens of millions of under 30 Chinese women desperate for a husband. heh heh.
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Postby Rocky Top » Thu May 17, 2012 7:55 am

Jester wrote:By the way thanks to Rocky Top for posting an exhilarating, encouraging post.

Tens of millions of under 30 Chinese women desperate for a husband. heh heh.



Uhh, I wouldn't exactly call it encouraging. In fact quite the opposite. Seems they are suffering from Western style materialism in Communist China.
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Postby xiongmao » Thu May 17, 2012 7:18 pm

Most of these Chinese women are single because they're too formidable for any man to handle. I know because I've dated a couple of them. Yikes!
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Re: Strong, Independent (and Lonely) Chinese Women

Postby PeterAndrewNolan » Thu May 17, 2012 8:27 pm

Jester wrote:Housing allocated by the state on the basis of family formation - instead of on the basis of career, credit, and wealth.


fav#1 told me that if a man was married with children at a fairly young age then they got a free house and he was excused military service...the men STILL refused to marry in large numbers....because they knew marriage was slavery for them as it is for ALL men.

Marriage with children is a BAD DEAL for men. That is why women are such liars about the whole thing. They cant tell the truth. Too many men would not marry.

And men in many cultures figure out very quickly that marrying a woman who is "educated" is a bad mistake. I actually went out of my way to help my wife get her degree. Fat lot of good that did me. She refused to go to work inside 4 years of graduating and that is acceptable for a woman. How many MEN get to quit work just 4 years after getting a degree and are PRAISED for being "strong" about such a decision. NONE. Thats how many.

The whole thing about marriage is a lie...and only gullible stupid men fall for it....like I was at 24 when I decided to get married.
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Postby Repatriate » Fri May 18, 2012 3:56 am

Marrying a woman with status is kind of pointless. Do people really care if she has a PhD or not or whether she is a talk show host or pop star? Unless she's attractive with a good personality then all that is meaningless. The vast majority of men don't marry for status. I think a lot of these women who obtain their PhD's probably price themselves right out of the market. They are probably looking for Mr. extraordinary just like in the west. So their pool of prospects shrinks and a lot of men simply don't meet their criteria for even consideration. So imagine a woman's "prime" as being in her 18-30. Past that point it's a rollercoaster dip right down the chart if you were to graph it out.

However it's a catch-22 because if you're a high status middle aged man your options go way up because there are plenty of marriageable 30 something year old women out there now as well as younger ones to keep you occupied. So for men that "prime" scale is more stable or actually even improves over time for most men who weren't born looking like Brad Pitt. The catch-22 is that there's little reason for high status men to rush to marriage. In fact there's little reason for MIDDLE status men in the developing world to rush to get married either.


What i'm saying only applies in the developing world though. In the developed world where middle class is the norm things are much worse.
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Postby Jester » Fri May 18, 2012 4:32 am

xiongmao wrote:Most of these Chinese women are single because they're too formidable for any man to handle. I know because I've dated a couple of them. Yikes!


Yeah but did you have fun?
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Postby Jester » Fri May 18, 2012 4:35 am

Rocky Top wrote:
Jester wrote:By the way thanks to Rocky Top for posting an exhilarating, encouraging post.

Tens of millions of under 30 Chinese women desperate for a husband. heh heh.



Uhh, I wouldn't exactly call it encouraging. In fact quite the opposite. Seems they are suffering from Western style materialism in Communist China.


Desperate slender under-30's in China versus desperate over-40's in the U.S.... I wasn't forecasting the future of China, I was seeing opportunity. :wink:
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