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Filipinos - The UnChristian Catholics

Postby Twobrains » Tue May 29, 2012 7:41 pm

http://mycultureblog.com/filipino-cultu ... -catholics

"Written by Hans Schreiber

Coming from a country where most people are Christians and where the morals of society is heavily influenced by Christian faith, but where faith in religion is close to nil, understanding Filipinos’ take on religion is quite the conundrum.

Filipinos of all ages are highly devoted to their religion. They wear crosses, talk of the love of God, print God’s words on posters and clothes, and go to church every Sunday. But you will hardly find a country in the world that is less Christian in actions.

The level of adultery, cheating, debauchery, lying, stealing, and murdering is extreme. Try to lend a Filipino money and see if you will ever get it back; try to offer a Filipino an option in life where there is an easy unjust way and the right way – never yet met a Filipino who will take the right way; try to find a Filipino who does not in his family have a great number of family members who have left wives and children and simply just moved on to the next victim; try to find a Filipino who will not abuse sick leaves for personal purposes because he believes it to be wrong (yes – it is stealing like anything else); try to find a Filipino who will consider his actions based on what Christianity sets as guidelines for decent behavior — I have yet to find one. Filipino culture and values are just beyond my understanding in this regard."

And he goes on... Very interesting perspective. The comments section has been spammed to death, so don't bother reading those.
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Re: Filipinos - the unchristian Catholics

Postby zboy1 » Tue May 29, 2012 8:37 pm

Twobrains wrote:http://mycultureblog.com/filipino-culture-and-values-the-unchristian-catholics

"Written by Hans Schreiber

Coming from a country where most people are Christians and where the morals of society is heavily influenced by Christian faith, but where faith in religion is close to nil, understanding Filipinos’ take on religion is quite the conundrum.

Filipinos of all ages are highly devoted to their religion. They wear crosses, talk of the love of God, print God’s words on posters and clothes, and go to church every Sunday. But you will hardly find a country in the world that is less Christian in actions.

The level of adultery, cheating, debauchery, lying, stealing, and murdering is extreme. Try to lend a Filipino money and see if you will ever get it back; try to offer a Filipino an option in life where there is an easy unjust way and the right way – never yet met a Filipino who will take the right way; try to find a Filipino who does not in his family have a great number of family members who have left wives and children and simply just moved on to the next victim; try to find a Filipino who will not abuse sick leaves for personal purposes because he believes it to be wrong (yes – it is stealing like anything else); try to find a Filipino who will consider his actions based on what Christianity sets as guidelines for decent behavior — I have yet to find one. Filipino culture and values are just beyond my understanding in this regard."

And he goes on... Very interesting perspective. The comments section has been spammed to death, so don't bother reading those.


Interestingly enough, all the things this Hans Schreiber describes about Filipinos perfectly describes Americans as well! In fact, I don't think there's a more hypocritical religious group than Christians in the United States. If Filipinos were truly God-fearing, there wouldn't be nearly the level of prostitution, sex, and general debauchery and corruption as there is in the Philippines. Those are not Christian values in the least...
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Re: Filipinos - the unchristian Catholics

Postby davewe » Tue May 29, 2012 9:09 pm

zboy1 wrote:
Twobrains wrote:http://mycultureblog.com/filipino-culture-and-values-the-unchristian-catholics

Filipinos of all ages are highly devoted to their religion. They wear crosses, talk of the love of God, print God’s words on posters and clothes, and go to church every Sunday. But you will hardly find a country in the world that is less Christian in actions.

The level of adultery, cheating, debauchery, lying, stealing, and murdering is extreme. Try to lend a Filipino money and see if you will ever get it back; try to offer a Filipino an option in life where there is an easy unjust way and the right way – never yet met a Filipino who will take the right way; try to find a Filipino who does not in his family have a great number of family members who have left wives and children and simply just moved on to the next victim; try to find a Filipino who will not abuse sick leaves for personal purposes because he believes it to be wrong (yes – it is stealing like anything else); try to find a Filipino who will consider his actions based on what Christianity sets as guidelines for decent behavior — I have yet to find one. Filipino culture and values are just beyond my understanding in this regard."


Interestingly enough, all the things this Hans Schreiber describes about Filipinos perfectly describes Americans as well! In fact, I don't think there's a more hypocritical religious group than Christians in the United States. If Filipinos were truly God-fearing, there wouldn't be nearly the level of prostitution, sex, and general debauchery and corruption as there is in the Philippines. Those are not Christian values in the least...


They may not be Christian values but they are very human values. It's been said a million times but there have been more wars, murder, and general debauchery committed in the name of religion than for any other reason. This ain't a Philippines issue, it's an issue about the disconnect between what Christianity preaches and what most people want. It's universal.

My Filipina gf is quite religious. But she's human, thank God and likes sex. What should I do - tell her to go back to being a virgin :D

The hypocrisy is ours. We want women and cultures with traditional values. But we also want to get laid and get laid easily - and with the hottest girls. And that means a religious society where people break the religious rules.
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Re: Filipinos - the unchristian Catholics

Postby OutWest » Tue May 29, 2012 9:45 pm

davewe wrote:
zboy1 wrote:
Twobrains wrote:http://mycultureblog.com/filipino-culture-and-values-the-unchristian-catholics

Filipinos of all ages are highly devoted to their religion. They wear crosses, talk of the love of God, print God’s words on posters and clothes, and go to church every Sunday. But you will hardly find a country in the world that is less Christian in actions.

The level of adultery, cheating, debauchery, lying, stealing, and murdering is extreme. Try to lend a Filipino money and see if you will ever get it back; try to offer a Filipino an option in life where there is an easy unjust way and the right way – never yet met a Filipino who will take the right way; try to find a Filipino who does not in his family have a great number of family members who have left wives and children and simply just moved on to the next victim; try to find a Filipino who will not abuse sick leaves for personal purposes because he believes it to be wrong (yes – it is stealing like anything else); try to find a Filipino who will consider his actions based on what Christianity sets as guidelines for decent behavior — I have yet to find one. Filipino culture and values are just beyond my understanding in this regard."


Interestingly enough, all the things this Hans Schreiber describes about Filipinos perfectly describes Americans as well! In fact, I don't think there's a more hypocritical religious group than Christians in the United States. If Filipinos were truly God-fearing, there wouldn't be nearly the level of prostitution, sex, and general debauchery and corruption as there is in the Philippines. Those are not Christian values in the least...


They may not be Christian values but they are very human values. It's been said a million times but there have been more wars, murder, and general debauchery committed in the name of religion than for any other reason. This ain't a Philippines issue, it's an issue about the disconnect between what Christianity preaches and what most people want. It's universal.

My Filipina gf is quite religious. But she's human, thank God and likes sex. What should I do - tell her to go back to being a virgin :D

The hypocrisy is ours. We want women and cultures with traditional values. But we also want to get laid and get laid easily - and with the hottest girls. And that means a religious society where people break the religious rules.


Ah...ok...next topic?

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Re: Filipinos - the unchristian Catholics

Postby fschmidt » Tue May 29, 2012 10:40 pm

davewe wrote:The hypocrisy is ours. We want women and cultures with traditional values. But we also want to get laid and get laid easily - and with the hottest girls. And that means a religious society where people break the religious rules.

There is no hypocrisy in the Old Testament. The Old Testament solution is stable marriage plus prostitution which addresses everyone's needs in a moral way. There is no society where most men can get laid easily for free, this is simply impossible. The only reason guys here can get laid easily in poor countries is because you are rich by comparison, but this will correct soon enough as Western countries go broke.
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Postby pete98146 » Tue May 29, 2012 10:52 pm

That's all fine and dandy and I actually agree with the article. But (and it's a big but) you have to remember that if you are doing things properly, you are only going after the top 10% of quality in filipino ladies. So if 90% of the other filipinos are bad apples, who cares? That shouldn't be your target audience anyways therefore it becomes a mute point.

I've been to Phils many times I can tell you that pretty, nice, religious, virginal, smart ladies from good families do exist! Are they more difficult to find? Absolutely! Do they prefer other middle class professional filipino men as mates? Normally! Do they go online to meet foreign men? Yes but they won't send you an email, you'll have to approach them. But are they impossible to meet, date and marry? No not impossible at all. But it's hard work that will pay off in spades if you are willing to put forth the effort.
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Postby MrPeabody » Tue May 29, 2012 11:07 pm

I wonder if it is the same as Latin America where the words “Catholicâ€￾ and “Christianityâ€￾ refer to two different things. Protestantism requires more responsibility of the individual and where it spreads the economic level of the country tends to rise. But then Protestants tend to develop a rigid personality. It seems that Freud’s ego dilemma of balancing the needs of the ID with society is in effect. In Catholicism, you can just keep sinning and be forgiven by the priest … like having a huge party before lent. Even the Protestants realize that this isn’t going to work. In Buddhism, if you do anything wrong it becomes negative karma and you have to work through it. There is no escape. So you would think, Buddhists would be the most careful of all. But Thailand seems to have some of the same problems.

I doubt the Old Testament ever considered prostitution moral and part of a desirable system even though it seems to have been technically legal with certain unattached women. Legal doesn’t equal moral or the right way to do things. But if your aren't convinced then switch to the Karma system and treat it with the eyes of a scientist – go to prostitutes, watch pornography, cultivate your lust in women and then calmly observe the hell you are going through. Duh.
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Postby fschmidt » Tue May 29, 2012 11:24 pm

MrPeabody wrote:I doubt the Old Testament ever considered prostitution moral and part of a desirable system even though it seems to have been technically legal with certain unattached women. Legal doesn’t equal moral or the right way to do things.


For a command is a lamp, teaching is a light,
and corrective discipline is the way to life.
They will protect you from an evil woman,
from the flattering tongue of a stranger.
Don’t lust in your heart for her beauty
or let her captivate you with her eyelashes.
For a prostitute’s fee is only a loaf of bread,
but an adulteress goes after a precious life.
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Postby MrPeabody » Tue May 29, 2012 11:26 pm

fschmidt wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:I doubt the Old Testament ever considered prostitution moral and part of a desirable system even though it seems to have been technically legal with certain unattached women. Legal doesn’t equal moral or the right way to do things.


For a command is a lamp, teaching is a light,
and corrective discipline is the way to life.
They will protect you from an evil woman,
from the flattering tongue of a stranger.
Don’t lust in your heart for her beauty
or let her captivate you with her eyelashes.
For a prostitute’s fee is only a loaf of bread,
but an adulteress goes after a precious life.


It doesn't say it's moral. And how expensive was bread then in comparison to other things?
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Postby fschmidt » Tue May 29, 2012 11:36 pm

MrPeabody wrote:It doesn't say it's moral.

It makes it clear that prostitution isn't immoral, unlike adultery. If a guy doesn't want sex outside of marriage, that's fine. But if he does, then prostitution is the only option in a moral society. It is the only option that avoids hypocrisy.

And how expensive was bread then in comparison to other things?

The quote said "a prostitute’s fee is only a loaf of bread", and I assume the word "only" implies not too expensive.
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Postby MrPeabody » Tue May 29, 2012 11:38 pm

fschmidt wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:It doesn't say it's moral.

It makes it clear that prostitution isn't immoral, unlike adultery. If a guy doesn't want sex outside of marriage, that's fine. But if he does, then prostitution is the only option in a moral society. It is the only option that avoids hypocrisy.

And how expensive was bread then in comparison to other things?

The quote said "a prostitute’s fee is only a loaf of bread", and I assume the word "only" implies not too expensive.


It uses prostitution as a comparison to highlight the seriousness of adultery. That is not enough. Show me a verse that says it is moral. Read Proverbs 5 which describes the hell a man goes through when he attaches to an immoral woman. Many men who go to prostitutes fall in love with them. This is a natural consequence and can’t be avoided. Why would Solomon advise young men to flee from immoral women and then go to a prostitute and make oneself vulnerable to her seduction? This is just wishful thinking. The Old Testament does not condone prostitution.

(And you don't know the price of bread? What if it is only like losing your car vs. losing an arm. You don't understand the comparison)
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Postby fschmidt » Wed May 30, 2012 12:09 am

MrPeabody wrote:It uses prostitution as a comparison to highlight the seriousness of adultery. That is not enough. Show me a verse that says it is moral. Read Proverbs 5 which describes the hell a man goes through when he attaches to an immoral woman. Many men who go to prostitutes fall in love with them. This is a natural consequence and can’t be avoided. Why would Solomon advise young men to flee from immoral women and then go to a prostitute and make oneself vulnerable to her seduction? This is just wishful thinking. The Old Testament does not condone prostitution.

The Old Testament doesn't say that prostitution is moral, but it doesn't condemn prostitution either. So the Old Testament does offer a solution to davewe's post without hypocrisy.
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Postby MrPeabody » Wed May 30, 2012 12:58 am

fschmidt wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:It uses prostitution as a comparison to highlight the seriousness of adultery. That is not enough. Show me a verse that says it is moral. Read Proverbs 5 which describes the hell a man goes through when he attaches to an immoral woman. Many men who go to prostitutes fall in love with them. This is a natural consequence and can’t be avoided. Why would Solomon advise young men to flee from immoral women and then go to a prostitute and make oneself vulnerable to her seduction? This is just wishful thinking. The Old Testament does not condone prostitution.

The Old Testament doesn't say that prostitution is moral, but it doesn't condemn prostitution either. So the Old Testament does offer a solution to davewe's post without hypocrisy.


Although it's not relevant to the point being argued, I would just like to point out that davewe has a girlfriend and I personally consider this to be different than prostitution.
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Postby davewe » Wed May 30, 2012 2:14 am

MrPeabody wrote:
fschmidt wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:It uses prostitution as a comparison to highlight the seriousness of adultery. That is not enough. Show me a verse that says it is moral. Read Proverbs 5 which describes the hell a man goes through when he attaches to an immoral woman. Many men who go to prostitutes fall in love with them. This is a natural consequence and can’t be avoided. Why would Solomon advise young men to flee from immoral women and then go to a prostitute and make oneself vulnerable to her seduction? This is just wishful thinking. The Old Testament does not condone prostitution.

The Old Testament doesn't say that prostitution is moral, but it doesn't condemn prostitution either. So the Old Testament does offer a solution to davewe's post without hypocrisy.


Although it's not relevant to the point being argued, I would just like to point out that davewe has a girlfriend and I personally consider this to be different than prostitution.


Thanks. I'm sure she'll be happy to hear that. :D

Don't get me wrong. I am not against religion. I think most religions have many fine things to offer. I am totally supportive of my gfs religions beliefs. But two things strike me as odd here:

1. Most places, whether they are defined as religious or not have rampant immoral or unethical or criminal conduct. Whether that's violence, adultery, theft, scamming leaders, etc. Why should a so-called religious country be any different. In fact arguably societies with religious repression often unravel into immoral or unethical cultures.

As for me, those few societies with allegedly high moral standards don't sound particularly appealing.

2. Most guys are here because their definition of Happier Abroad is attractive women who are more available to them than what they have in their Western cultures. So it's surprising to me that we are talking about morality.

Yes, if you really want a virgin you can find many in PI. I currently know several. To each his own I suppose. That certainly isn't why I traveled to the PI.

I still maintain we're fundamentally hypocritical. I grew up Jewish in a semi-observant family. It was a well known adage that if you wanted to know where the best Chinese food is - you asked a Jew. We do love our spareribs!

And Catholic girls love their...:D
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Postby fschmidt » Wed May 30, 2012 3:01 am

davewe wrote:Thanks. I'm sure she'll be happy to hear that. :D

Don't get me wrong. I am not against religion. I think most religions have many fine things to offer. I am totally supportive of my gfs religions beliefs. But two things strike me as odd here:

1. Most places, whether they are defined as religious or not have rampant immoral or unethical or criminal conduct. Whether that's violence, adultery, theft, scamming leaders, etc. Why should a so-called religious country be any different. In fact arguably societies with religious repression often unravel into immoral or unethical cultures.

As for me, those few societies with allegedly high moral standards don't sound particularly appealing.

2. Most guys are here because their definition of Happier Abroad is attractive women who are more available to them than what they have in their Western cultures. So it's surprising to me that we are talking about morality.

Yes, if you really want a virgin you can find many in PI. I currently know several. To each his own I suppose. That certainly isn't why I traveled to the PI.

I still maintain we're fundamentally hypocritical. I grew up Jewish in a semi-observant family. It was a well known adage that if you wanted to know where the best Chinese food is - you asked a Jew. We do love our spareribs!

And Catholic girls love their...:D


Religion is a necessary condition, but not a sufficient condition, for morality.

The history of Judaism is fully of examples of Jews being corrupted by the surrounding culture. The first example is in the Tanakh (Old Testament) leading to the fall to Bablylon. The most recent example is Reform Judaism (which includes "Conservative" Judaism). In each case, only the hardcore Jews who rejected the surrounding culture and stuck to the Torah survived. In our times, that is Orthodox Judaism. Orthodox Jews are not hypocritical. Anyone who want to see a religion sticks to its principles can watch this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L9cxOCm1gI[/youtube]
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