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...they all seem to be full of hookers of some kind?
I went to number of discos and every girl i pick up happens to be pro or semi pro, be it foreign girl or local.
I picked up one on thaifriendly website and she claims that she is not a hooker and that she is looking for relatio BUT if a guy wants just to have fun she wants him to take her out for dinner and drinks which cost cost more than paying her directly. I took her out thinking shell have a a beer or 2 and we go back to my place but bitch ended up ordering bottle of wine which cost abt 30 bucks,she finished it off herself, followed by dessert, bill was abt $70 and after dinner she wanted to go clubbing..
I met some other Thai girls that have regular office jobs and they turn to pros when they go out clubbing, seems to be cultural thing, kinda normal for them as they justify it by saying, my salary is too low i have to find a way to support myself..hard to argue that one.
Everyone seems to be corrupt in this place, perhaps smaller place in Thailand is better to visit
..another thing that upsets me, why massage girls are ugly and peasent looking Isaan chicks?
Why its hard to find 7+ Thai girl, they are no fat girls here but boyish body, no ass, no titties, and mediocre face seems to be norm?
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I think I mentioned this before but most of the foreign western orientated night clubs are full of freelancer hookers. Bed Supperclub, Q-bar, etc.. are whore central. They try to go upmarket with their trade when they are downmarket girls.
I'm really surprised you would get taken in by this. After a brief conversation you can usually suss out her motives especially if she's a little too eager. If a girl says up front in her profile she expects this or that then that's a clear sign not to ask that girl to go anywhere. Another big red flag is if she's too interested in your net worth in condo or car. It's fairly obvious and standard online dating stuff.
There are many hot girls you just aren't looking at the right places.
Ratio of working girls to non working girls depends on the club in thailand. The nightclub at nana - 100%. CM2 - 80% QBar - 50%, Spazzo - 50%, Bed - 30%, mixx-?? not sure. For foreign girls, if they are from any FSU countries then they are generally Pro. Same for Africa. Otherwise they may fall into a grey area ie.. not so well do to model, or singer who wants to have fun while you pay the bill.
Generally any club that is popular with foreigners or expats will carry its share of pro's and semi-pro's
Why do some girls go semi-pro? BKK night clubs are expensive. 600 baht cover at QBar, 4000 baht for a bottle of vodka and table service. Now add to that the cocaine habit that some of the hardcore party girls have and that the clubs go off nearly every night of the week, and you have a serious cash flow challenge for a working professional that may make 15K- 35K baht per month.
Some girls will get you to take them out to dinner and invite them and their friends to the clubs and have you pick up the tab. Others will expect money outright.
The nightlife there is addictive so i understand their dilema.
I don't mind the dinner and drinks routine so much, as long as they are not too mercenary. Its really not that different from the US, except WAY cheaper. In the US girls could often afford to pay their way but don't. In Thailand they usually can't. I've had some good nights rolling large with VIP table service, a bottle of grey goose, and a cadre of crazy hot thai girls. No problem as long as you have your eyes open.
You can go to some of the mostly thai clubs on Ratchada? or Rama? I forget the area name to eliminate the ratio.
I didn't see too many hot massage girls in Bangkok (unless you go to one of the more expensive soapy massage type of parlors).
Thai girls tend to be pretty savvy and street smart, and not too concerned about casual or paid sex. If they have the goods why waste it on a low paying massage job, when they can hit upscale clubs wearing killer outfits, land bigger paychecks, sponsors or boyfriends or gogo bars where they can turn several tricks a night.
Lots of hot girls around with rocket bodies. Not sure where you spent your time.
Thai women are complicated though. I have gone to bangkok for many years and do not claim to understand them at all.
Ahh finally a legit veteran of Thailand.
I'd say the % is probably higher than that. If you probe the girls a bit and really get deep down into what they do you realize a lot of them don't have legit careers at all. They work in "cover" jobs like shitty office admin or skin whitening clinic or something where the pay is pathetic. They earn most of their money whoring. Even a lot of banking girls get their jobs by paying an up front fee for the prestige of it and try to hook sponsors in their spare time.
It's not that fun unless you are guaranteed to get at least one of them in the sack. In that case it's still a rather expensive proposition to take a girl crew out for the night. You're dropping 5-6k that night at least for (maybe) sex with a somewhat hot girl which you could purchase outright for 3-4k elsewhere in an upscale p4p venue with model lounge.
RCA doesn't have as many whores but there are some girls who will go for the one night standard with the intent of pulling check bin the next morning. Ratchada soi 3 is not really for newbies and it's full of ratchada massage parlor girls on their night off. It's also somewhat down market.
It depends. These girls have very specific justifications for what they do sometimes. The go go girls tend to be more open about their lifestyle and actually fully live the life of prostitution. The ratchada MP girls are a little more discrete about it and don't plan on making it a career but many are just doing a short tour of duty. The freelancer crowd trying to land sponsors and such at seemingly "legit" club environment are really just con artists. They know there's a large contingent of emotionally weak western (and various other) men out there who want to throw their money around.
Thai women in the party environment are very ADHD so forget about understanding them. They are just all about short term fun and living and eventually they flame out down the road or rope in some sucker.
Regular thai women away from the party environment are actually quite simple to understand. It's just that very few make for good long term relationship material because families, culture, and other stuff gets in the way big time.
Welcome to Thailand and nothing new about the pro or semi pro fact in discos and around.
Why these girls will give their ass for free,or for almost nothing as they are hundred of thousands of sexual or relation starved men coming from all around the world to find pussies there?
When they cross the line and live a hooker or semi hooker live,it get for them really difficult to drop the pro,semi pro lifestyle.
It's very integrated to use sex as a financial source in Thailand.
A lot less taboo compared to Western countries.
Many women working as waitress,shop seller come to some discos and make some extra this way.
You are a westerner so it add to the fact that you will have to pay one way or other.
Easy to meet them,easy to empty your wallet.
The whole Thailand scene seem to be fascinating at first,but the wake up can be rude for the romantic seeking men.
I'm not saying that they are not a bunch of Thai women who are not there to fleece your pocket but why they would not do that if so many men will be ready to throw them plenty of money?
They just see how easy is to find a sucker.
Internet has added to this fact.
I remember that 5 years ago it was a lot easier to meet Thai women online,not semi pro or pro using their skills to find a sponsor.
Now it's quit common,and those who are not like that,are a lot more passive in communicating and picky.
Comparing western countries and Thailand,i will by a significant margin choose Thai women of course.
This is not a fairyland,many men get burned there as they don't understand the basic of Thai life,Thai women.
To break it down,
massage girls - hookers and they are least attractive ones(unless top class)
gogo bar chicka - hookers(best quality)
Discos/nightclubs.pubs - mostly hookers, even the ones that claim that are not are prbbly lying and playing it smart to get sucker in
Waitresess/office workers - many of them have no probs offering ass in exchange for $$$
Online dating sites - most of them would be some sort of ho or sponsor seeking
Good question to ask is, what % of Thai women are regular and where to find them and how to trust when whoring is integral part of Thai culture?
She cld tell you tht she is legit but you wudnt know if she was blowing some old englishman night before for $20?
Why would nice girl go to club on a weekday where there is 70% of pros?
Seems like whole culture is corrupted with money and greed, how is one suppossed to form relationship when that girl can turn pro and feel no shame?
Does it mean that almost any girl is potential freelancer,
Welcome to Thailand man..that's Thailand!
Better to get the wake up call in this way than losing all the hard earned money.
I have been with many Thai girls,non bargirls, and most of them love to BS a lot.
It's integrated in their culture where the smiles and the everything is ok attitude is there.
They don't assume too their mistake as everyone as to keep their cool,and they move on quickly.
In my opinion you get a better chance to find a more down to earth Thai woman far away from the big cities like BKK because many are just there to find a sponsor and make the maximum amount of money.
If you aim to the middle or high class in BKK,they would be a lot more picky and the my shit don't stink attitude is gaining popularity.
My strategy at the moment is the countryiside or provincial cities like Udon Thani.
Still the money is involved,still they can be corrupted,but they haven't get all the tricks you will find from women in BKK and not talking about Pattaya.
I don't want to get jaded by the f**k and forget attitude but i don't trust or trust very little any Thai girl being around me.
She can do a runner as fast as she came into my life,so i always try to keep a distance because i have witnessed too many sweet words and BS from them.
Anyway i'm not an angel....they play their games and i play mine.
Their parents are first,you will be forever a distant runner.
Many things in Thailand are a mirage,keep real or you could end up totally burned.
You didn't include massage parlor girls in that list which are on par or sometimes better than go go bar chicks. The massage girls you're referring to are the small shop ones.
Who knows really i've been here for a long time and it's still hard to figure out all the angles. There are still a lot of normal everyday girls who want a relationship. You won't find them trolling nightclubs or white expat hangouts though. Any woman who hangs around those joints you should be wary of and basically treat as temporary play partners because they are definitely on some kind of game.
I have dated normal Thai girls who don't ask for money or anything like that. They are solidly middle class but you really have to approach them like dating girls back home. Take it slowly then build comfort and trust. These girls are above average looking girl next door Thai-Chinese types that I like a lot. I'd stay very far away from party girls, narcissistic Thai girls with hot porn bodies, etc.. for anything beyond a very short term thing.
Without some amount of Thai language skills your options are even more limited to the game players. Because women that mysteriously have great english skills and are eager to date foreign men anytime anywhere are sketchy or have sketchy pasts.
Banano how old are you and what do you look like? Getting casual sex for free is almost entirely down to your looks. You have to be at least at a certain minimum level of attractiveness to be able to do this consistently. I'd agree with the others that there are a lot of off duty hookers and semi pros in Bangkok nightclubs, with varying ratios. Even an off duty hooker will lie about her job and go with you if she likes you, so it's sometimes hard to tell who is who.
Bangkok is not a paradise for everyone, in nightclubs the unattractive guys can only get paid sex of some kind or another. These guys are by far the majority which is why an above average looking male stands out so much there and attracts so much positive attention.
If you were living there you could make friends and meet with ordinary Thai girls the normal way.
Regarding the looks of the Thai girls I strongly disagree with you, Thailand and especially Bangkok is full of beautiful women. Even the average Thai girl has a hot, slim body and nice skin.
BKK is like taking a walk through a minefield, wonder how many farangs end up in a relationship with an ex pro.
I ended up meeting another girl from Thai friendly, went cinema,dinner and drinks, 2000 baht all up, got laid; but i cld tell she f***s a lot of guys off dating sites, just the vibe I am getting from her. Thai women cant be trusted, they like to bs a lot, they move on to the next guy quickly,their feelings towards men are rather shallow.
Do middle and upper class Thai chicks prefer their own kind, I believe they do. Tourists tend to attract lower class women no matter where which country they go.
Is it bc of language barrier, cultural differences that upper class are not so open to accepting complete stranger into their circle only bottom of the barrel girls are willing to go for forigners as they got nothing to lose..
ill be sticking to doing pros while in BKK as getting em free is costing me more plus I have to listen to their BS all nite and pretend that i care abt what they say, its emotionally exhausting to pretend to care for extended period of time
If you're just here to run and gun and have no intention of finding a Thai girlfriend or short/mid term f**k buddy situations then there's no reason at all to hit up dating sites. You're right that it ends up being more costly in the long run plus if she or you do get attached it's a big burden.
There are quite nice Thai girls out there but you just have to work hard to find them and it's typical relationship stuff with chemistry and all that. Plus i'm still skeptical about how good of a wife or mother the vast majority of Thai women make. Personal responsibility and discipline is really low in Thai culture. They have justifications for everything under the sun here and are willing to excuse the most egregious behavior at times.
You are right in not trusting Thai women much though. They really have to prove themselves to you over a very long period time. The good ones are out there they are just a small percentage.
'They have justifications for everything under the sun'
Good observation, everything goes, cheating, lying,etc as long as it serves their interests, you can never see any guilt or feeling of remorse in thier eyes and thats scary part
In my opinion Thais are for short term fun whereas filipinas are more of a marriage material
I havent seen that many beautifull women in bkk as people tend to claim, havent seen more than a few that are 8s or 9s. They are abt average and bellow in most cases, if you google thai women and then google russian women and go to images or browse dating sites you will see that russians are on average a few points above thais.
if you call thais beautifful then what we going to call EEs
I don't think very many of either ethnicity is marriage material. Filipinas have the same issues really. That's why with Thais I focus nearly completely on the ethnic Chinese-Thai women. I don't date country bumpkins or "farang spec" girls.
Thai women aren't as leggy or curvaceous as EE women. More EE women are built like porn stars which is probably the look you're going for. Thai women have more of a fey beauty and trend more towards the cute side.
You also need to go to more Thai orientated places to see a good cross section of beauty.
Well, what do you expect when going to a poor country? The girls aren't going to splash their $5/day wages on you baby! If the girls wanted a f^ck, there's plenty of poor Thai men around.
Now, seriously - you have to expect to pay some money to the girl, but I watch out & won't spend much. I NEVER go to bars with girls as there's scams all around.
"Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal... If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters." Cato the Elder
If you getting plenty of action and your having fun, who cares
Theres no free p***y
the most expensive p***y you will get is the 'free' p***y
these are the 'good' girls who you take out on dates and they expect you to
pay for everything, thats why is say the working girls can be more honest than so called
cos lets be honest, you dont have to have a relationship with every girl you stick you end in