Your post here seems more balanced, and most of what I see you saying here is good precautionary advice. Most men should not go to places like the Philippines, and it is certainly not some kind of ideal retirement destination- it only would work for a few men, not most.DevilsAdvocate wrote:Winston wrote:Why do I surprise you? I told you I agree with you, but you overexaggerate a lot of things. You can see from my posts that I feel the same way. That's why I'm not in the Philippines.DevilsAdvocate wrote: I admit you surprise me Winston. You said you grew up in Fernando Valley, and that your brothers are doctors, etc. So I know exactly what you know, we are sort of like brothers in that what you went through in the 80's is the same as I did, we both belong to the same culture, even though you're Asian and I'm white.
My point here is this, brother we come from a very sophisticated, very clean, very organized culture. Granted it's going down the tubes as we speak, but when we grew up it wasn't like that. We eat clean food, we drive on clean streets, our air isn't polluted except for certain places like LA and West Virginia for instance.
As Americans we have lived and grown up in a very advanced culture. Granted everybody all over the world have caught up, like Taiwan and Japan Europe, but the USA was the leader of them all, the one everyone looked up to, and you and I were apart of that....
So my point here is that you surprise me, how could you go from living in such an incredible clean culture as the USA to a sewer like the Philippines?
Why not go check out Thailand? Like Chiang Mai, look for a girl who always says "Ka" at the end of every sentence, this is a good girl respectful of others. Date these girls, use a Iphone to translate English into Thai, and give them a phone to translate Thai into English, and talk with them, have some fun with it.
You will eat a much better food really cheap, like $1.50 per day. Rent a beautiful home for $500 per month. Be around girls who are steps above Filipinas, not as poor, not as desperate, still looking for help and assistance and a Santa Claus, but all girls are looking for that. The difference being the Thai isn't be breed for extortion. A prostitute yes, extortion no. Find one who isn't a prostitute and date her, have some fun with the language.
Visas are a problem of course, you can stay if over 50 with 26K in bank, or you can get a educational visa for one year if you take a course at college, like learning "Thai".....
Anyway, Thailand is also not a perfect place of course, with high level of Aids, with people always looking for a way to get some money from you, etc. But the level of poverty there is no where near as dire as the Philippines and therefore that combined with the passive Buddhism culture results in mess less problems. The trick is to simply stay away from the prostitute areas, unless of course that's what you want to find of course.
Obviously this type of "dating" is for people who are on a budget, or don't want to spend a lot of money, you have all the third world countries to go to, Columbia, Brazil, Philippines, Thailand, and even Eastern Europe countries. All of which are much less expensive to first world countries obviously, and much easier usually in terms of getting girls.
But if you are just the average white guy for instance, 30-50, with a little money like maybe your own business, you might find it better to get a better quality girl say somewhere in Europe, from Spain to Germany, from France to England.
Being an American with an accent can go a long ways for the average guy.
Anyway, everyone has their own road they must travel, making decisions and mistakes all along the way. For me I will have to pass on the Philippines, but that's just me....
Where are you now? In Taiwan? What are your plans? Still trying to decide?
However, my girlfriend there is great and does not extort money from me. Other forum members here, such as Pete and Davewe and DarrenFW, also have Filipina partners who do not scam them. DarrenFW is engaged to a call center girl.
So your depiction of Filipinas is the worst of the worst.
Check out these wonderful video tributes of Western men with their Filipina brides:
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Those are the kind of things you don't take into account.
Are you sure you're not Globetrotter/Ph_Visitor? You sure sound like him.
I already mentioned in other threads that I'm trying to go to China and have been trying to since January. But I keep getting sidetracked by posts like these, movies and my bad time management skills.
I already know about Thailand and its benefits. The videos of the bars girls there though, don't look that much different from Filipinas.
When I ask expat friends in Angeles City why they aren't in Thailand instead, since Thailand is better in every way, they can't seem to give me a straight answer. I don't know why.
Yes but I think that we should always remember one thing, the girl is going out with the guy because the girl needs money, needs to eat tonight, needs to have money on her phone, etc. And girls are always looking to network and get opportunities, you never know who you screw could be your next leg up in the world. And if you get stuck with some cheap skate only making $1200 per month it will still be a lot better than worrying about eating enough food. Or having money for things you really need like getting your tooth fixed.
When you are talking with bar girls you should always know that they are talking with you for money, having sex with you for money, entertaining you for money, not for any other reason.
When you get a girl from the provinces to go out with a pointy nose foreigner, just realize it's all about money, it's about the money that this means. It's like winning the lottery for them and for the whole family.
For instance, let's say you're a typical American, and you win $10 million dollars in the lottery, it's very possible you might not share that money with your family. Like your parents or your children, let alone your grandma or aunt or cousin, regardless whether you have 100 of them or not.
But in the Philippines that would be unheard of, if you won that much money or bribed that much money or stole that much money it wouldn't matter, you would share that money with your entire family and be the hero for doing such, especially as the eldest daughter responsible for taking care of the family.....
The Philippines creates a leveling effect, whoever has money gets leveled out by the rest of the family, so that in the end nobody has any money and everybody has an equal amount of not having money.
This is one reason it's so dangerous to the foreigner, because unless you are aware of this you can get taken for a nice ride in the Philippines.
You even called them out of this yourself, stating how they were leaches, you sure are right. And you were right not to put up with that, knowing by instinct that this behavior is wrong.
Many of us sucker white guys have bleeding hearts and we want to help them, feel sorry for them, and give them more and more money down the honey trap, and we play the perfect suckers for them saying things like "but this girl is the right one", yeah, give me a dollar for every guy who says that.
You are a no BS type guy Winston, able to cut through the BS and see the truth. You called it on Filipinas, except I don't think you went far enough in my opinion.
I would say this for certain with Filipinas and dating in general:
1. Never talk to a girl online, don't even waste your time, get your money and just go. Talking online to a girl is your first step into tragedy.....
2. Realize your money is at stake at all times by every means possible, believe nothing and trust nobody, especially some sweet talking girl. These girls are going to tell you exactly what you want to hear right from the start, you'll think you just met an angel in real life, or especially online, this is the honey trap. Keep your money on a tight leash at all times.
But the idea of going online, finding a girl and then coming to see her and then going home to bring her to the USA is not a smart thing to do.
China huh? That should be interesting
Outwest