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Anytime I have a conversation with a girl from Isaan well it normally lasts about 5 minutes before Iâ€™m over it already. I know many of you guys have married some Isaan girls and I donâ€™t mean this post with any disrespect at all. Actually one of my best mates married a lovely Isaan girl who is honest educated and has a great family. But letâ€™s be honest here and say that the chances of that happening to the majority of guys out there is very slim.
I got a very disturbing email from an acquaintance of mine yesterday basically heâ€™s crying in the email how he lost 3million baht to this Isaan girl who he had loved. He had bought her land a farm and built a new house for his misses, he could only come here a month out of the year but he was doing everything he can to make sure she and her family were happy. He lost his job about 6months ago and couldnâ€™t send any more money for the time being not that they needed much now anyway they had a profitable farm going. He comes over last week and she tells him to basically piss off. Heartbroken he reached out to me but I couldnâ€™t say anything but I told you so.
Now youâ€™d think you find a great girl pull her and her family out of poverty that they would like treat you like a king right? Well a decent person would but in the eyes of many an Isaan girl your just a meal ticket until you stop buying meals. My mate in this case was taking care of her and her family for years and by the time he has a problem they are nowhere to be found, what kind of cruel and evil person does that to a guy.
This isnâ€™t a unique case either guys, I literally know 100′s of guys who have been duped by Isaan girls their large mouths wide cheekbones and dark skin seem to be favored by foreigners coming to Thailand but I honestly think the reason for this is because they are so forward. See a white babydoll Chiang Mai girl wonâ€™t walk up to you in the bar! You actually have to work for it but you wonâ€™t even get there because these Isaan girls will already be all over you.
The majority of Isaan girls all want one thing, they want to take care of their Mom Dad and extended family. They probably have younger brothers or sisters that are going to school and they want the best for them. The problem is this is their main motivation for trying to find a foreigner. When you meet a Thai girl ask her why she likes foreigners most of the time they will be straight up about it â€œI want someone take care me and my familyâ€. When a girl says that to you itâ€™s best just to walk away. Doesnâ€™t matter how much you like her there are a million girls just like her out there who have a different answer, like â€œbecause Thai girls are bad news to me I want try Farangâ€. The difference here is the â€œTake care meâ€ girl is only motivated my money and as soon as you canâ€™t take care of her and her family she no longer has a reason to be with you. The â€œThai man is badâ€ girl is motivated by love and affection and as long as you take care of her heart she will love you forever.
So like the title says stay away from Isaan girls, the majority are lies, cheaters, and whores. But if you honestly do like the Isaan look and you think youâ€™ve found a great girl I urge you dearly to do the â€œAm I going to screw you over testâ€.
The Will My Isaan Girl Screw Me Over Test
Start giving your Isaan girlfriend money to give to her parents. Make it a decent amount say 10,000 baht a month. Do this for 4 months as well as take care of her as well. Say you need to leave the country for 3 weeks and basically go on a holiday. After 1 week say that you have had some problems youâ€™ve lost all your money but you still love her tell her she can stay in the apartment since itâ€™s a 6 months lease but you wonâ€™t be back for another 6months. Donâ€™t call her for a week and ask a mate to check in on her see where sheâ€™s going who she is with. If sheâ€™s not screwing around then come back abruptly and say that youâ€™ve come back and that you need to get a teaching job or something and she needs to get a job now to help you pay for the certificate. If she complains kick her out, if she is enthusiastic to help you out youâ€™ve got a keeper. Week later say youâ€™ve got some of your money back cut the payments down to 3-5 thousand keep her old folks happy and enjoy the rest of youâ€™re life.
But whatever you do donâ€™t ever and I mean this ever put anything in her or her families names. Donâ€™t buy a car or bike or nothing in her name, no such thing as child support or alimony here guys what is your is yours sell it and put it in the bank. Police canâ€™t search bank records without a court order but like I tell people keep your money in the cloud and send it to your Thai bank account like a monthly payment.
You can avoid all this trouble though with what I said is stay away from Isaan girls have your fun with them when you want but donâ€™t go giving them the farm!
Few days ago I was with chick from Isaan that had 2 boyfriends who send her money from overseas, One is from Sweden the other one is Englishman.
It amazes me how this man mind works, she was with me that night and guy wouldnt stop messaging, telling her how in love he is and other bs that goes with it
The worst thing is she is she is average at best, only reason i banged it bc its free but I wouldnt pay he 1 baht.
According to her , Swedish bf will come to Isaan and build a house so they can live together, 'take care me'
Some falangs deserve to be shot in the head and im super sereal
Ah Isaan girls. Have had 2 strong relationships with Isaan girls.
Certainly they have an ability to hook a man. An unrivalled ability in my opinion.
Thai women seem to have this mysterious way, hard to put it into words but it is very addictive.
I read somewhere that when comparing Thai women to filipina's that the Thai is like a cat and the filipina like a dog. An accurate description.
Most western guys hook up with Isaan girls. Thais in general are extremely xenophobic but the Isaan girl is usually the poorest and therefore much more willing to be with a western man.
Being with a western man gives them a better opportunity to reach their true love...which is money. No more, no less, its money number one.
Having spent some time on the farm up near Udon Thani seeing village life, one thing was extremely apparent. Our worlds are very different and that as a westerner there is no common ground to build a relationship with.
The guys that do live in Isaan with their girl have usually given up on their home country and throw their lot in with their Isaan girl. As one expat told me his main aim is to be worth more to them alive than he is dead.
Otherwise he will be dead or ejected very quickly.
So many tales about Isaan girls, its impossible to tell them all....but if you are lucky enough to find a sweet Isaan girl then go for the ride. They are probably the most wonderful magical women in the world but for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction. When your time is up or they find someone with a bigger wallet then they become the coldest hearted women in the world.
Denial of the obvious is common to expats in Thailand.It has to be that way because they have gambled everything they ever had...as long as the money flows they will be ok.
Great post! You guys can NEVER lose sight of the fact that you have options. I've been to Thailand a half dozen times and I absolutely LOVE the country, the culture, the food and it's people. However, after hearing countless stories of expats being burned by Thai women I quickly came to the conclusion that there is too much difference between the Thai and American lifestyles, religion and customs to overcome. So I love the country but don't trust their women.
On the flip side of the coin we have the Philippines and atleast for me, it's the complete opposite of the above paragraph ie LOVE LOVE LOVE the women but I'm not enamored with living in the Philippines because compared to Thailand it's expensive, loud and the food quality is less than par.
I'm already married to my filipina wife and it's been a brilliant relationship. If all goes well we are looking to retire in Chiang Mai Thailand in 10 years. If you haven't watched JC's videos over at RetireCheapAsia.com I encourage you to view them.
But back to my original argument. You guys HAVE OPTIONS. You are free to mix and match countries and women to find your optimal balance. This site is about THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX so I encourage all of you to do so.
It's not just Thai girls who do this. The key is to always be in charge of your money and don't squander it. This article won't appeal to idealists but it contains a lot of wisdom:
http://www.stickmanweekly.com/ReadersSu ... er5546.htm
Thanks for posting it. This was so outstanding that I copied it and edited it for easier legibility, indexing, and google-ability. I hope you don't mind me re-posting it here. I think every man should read this annually on New Year's Eve.
The Rosetta Stone of Womenâ€™s Behavior
By Old, Fat, and Bald
I will start by stating that this submission has only peripheral connections to Thailand. However, it harkens back to â€œWho is a Whoreâ€ by Korski, to Brokenmanâ€™s situation, and to several recent submissions on Stickmanâ€™s weekly column.
The common thread is the question of why women do what they do; or more precisely, how they are capable of some of the things they do after all we have done for them? I will admit to a life long, and fruitless, search for the answers to these seemingly eternal mysteries. Fruitless that is, until now.
In my research of all things on the net (i.e. mindless surfing) I came upon a truly remarkable statement that explains much, if not all, female behavior. I found it by tracing back a reference made in a very interesting newspaper article, â€œBrides of the Stateâ€, first published in the "Inside Cork" newspaper, Thursday 8 July 2004.
Note that we are talking behavior, which is observable fact, and not thinking or desires. Freud said that no one knows what women want. That opinion remains true, as far as I can tell.
Like all truly great discoveries, such as E=MC2 or F=MA, what I found that explains the unified field theory of womenâ€™s behavior is elegantly simple. What I found was Briffaultâ€™s Law.
(Skip the following paragraph if you are not interested in the man behind the law.)
From Wikipidia: Robert Briffault was a novelist, historian, social anthropologist, and surgeon. He was born in Nice, France of a French father and a Scottish mother. After the death of his father, Briffault and his Scottish-born mother immigrated to New Zealand. In May 1896 he married Anna Clarke; the couple had three children, Lister, Muriel, and Joan, born from 1897 to 1901. Briffault received his MB, ChB from the University of Dunedin in New Zealand in 1905 and commenced medical practice. After service on the Western Front during World War I, he settled in England, his wife having died. In the late 1920s he married again, to Herma Hoyt (1898-1981), an American writer and translator. <Note> He can be seen as French, Scottish, New Zealander (Kiwi), English (Pom), or, by marriage, American (Yank). The point of this is to state the credentials of the author and to show that this law has been there for many years; we just needed to find it.
The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.
There are a few corollaries I would add:
1. Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.
2. Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)
3. A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).
Let us start by saying much of the discussion on the Stickman site seems to start from the belief that Thai women are somehow different from all other women, both in the good and the bad. And that their actions derive from the cultural milieu in which they were reared; and therefore no western man can really understand their thinking without intensive cross cultural study.
I posit that this is BS. No man can ever understand what is going on inside the head of any woman, of any culture, including their own, no matter how much they study. We should not kid ourselves. The best we can hope to do is observe their behaviors and roll with the punches.
This is where Briffaultâ€™s Law is vital. All women associate with any man only so long as they derive a benefit from the association. This can not be stated too many times.
A bit of recent data that supports this proposition comes from a recent study done in the UK. The findings were that for a period from the early 1990â€™s to the early 2000â€™s, 90% of UK women practiced hypergamy. Hypergamy is a 15 cent (about 7 pence in GBPs) word for marrying up. The hypothesis in the study was; do women exhibit hypergamy, or not. You start with assuming not, and then disprove that. If they do not, then roughly 50% would marry up and 50% would marry down. During the period of the study 90% of UK women married men that made more money than they did, or had greater wealth. The 90% marrying up rate provides ample evidence that the women exhibit hypergamy behavior. These were not poor daughters of Isaan rice farmers. This was not a developing country. This behavior could be observed anywhere in the world and at any time in history.
Before discovering Briffaultâ€™s Law, I came to a similar independent, although not so well or concisely stated, conclusion. A few years ago, while arguing with my six sisters about my intentions to marry a Filipina half my age (marriage number 4 so I am a slow learner), they argued that she was just marrying me to get a better life. After a few seconds of reflection I retorted that this was true for every woman in the world marrying any man. This left them with no response.
After all, who among us ever marries to have a worse life? We all hope that it will be an improvement. With women it is doubly so, since they have no intention of actually working to improve their lives.
So, letâ€™s get to Korskiâ€™s question, â€œWho is a Whoreâ€, and my initial response, â€œThey all areâ€.
By Briffaultâ€™s Law, if a woman is associating with you (assuming you are a man), then she is doing it because she sees some benefit, either current, or in the future, from that association.
How is this different from the bargirl on Soi Cowboy? I think only in the duration of the intended association, the amount of benefit expected, and in the womanâ€™s acceptance of delay in getting that benefit. Guys, letâ€™s get real about this. It is past time to take off the rose colored glasses.
How does this help?
If you know going in that she is there to derive a benefit, then make sure you are willing and able to provide that benefit, that you are willing and able to continue to provide that benefit, and that the cost to you of providing that benefit is worth the benefit you derive from the association.
Be fully aware that when the benefit to her stops, the relationship will stop. Have no illusions. This is true in the UK, France, America, Thailand, and everywhere else. So, if you spend every dime in your retirement fund to build her and/or her mother a house (in her name of course), do not expect that the association will continue. You must say no early and often so you preserve your ability to provide a continuing benefit. If you drain all your resources, then you get what you should expect (see corollary 1).
Keep control of your money, only you will be responsible with it, because you had to earn it. After my first divorce I commiserated with a female secretary that was at least two decades older than me, and who was herself divorced. When I told her that I had let my wife run the family finances (common in 80% of married couples in the USA), and that she had run us deep into debt, she told me, â€œAny man that turns over his paycheck to a woman is a fool.â€
I would add that giving any woman every penny you have in the world is just asking her to kick you to the curb and walk away from you.
Deriving mutual benefits from a relationship is not a bad thing. Where Brokenman and the rest of us men lose the plot is when we expect past benefit provided to the woman to continue generating current or future association (see corollary 1).
Loyalty, honor, gratitude, and duty are male values that we men project on women, but which very few, to no, women actually possess. We arenâ€™t born with these values; they are drummed into us from the cradle on by society/culture, our families, and most definitely by the women in our lives (sorry, but that includes you too, Mom). Women get different indoctrination, so they have different values; mostly, for a woman, whatever is good for her and her (biological) children is what is best, full stop. So, do not expect that the woman in your life will be grateful, and sacrifice for you, when you can no longer provide for her and hers.
And make no mistake, you have never been, and never will be, part of what is hers. What are hers will be first herself, then her (biological) children, then her parents, then her siblings, and then the rest of her blood relatives.
The biological imperative has always been to extend her blood line. It stops there, and it always will. This is true everywhere in the world. Get over it.
Men love women, but I truly believe that women are incapable of what we men call love. â€œGreater love hath no man than that he lay down his life for his friends.â€ How many women are willing to die for their husbands, friends, country, or comrades in arms? Damn few, if any. Yet it is commonly expected of men (made compulsory under certain circumstances). How many men continue on in their marriages, supporting their family and their wife, while the wife is making their life a living hell? Far too many. How many men choose their wives over their parents and siblings? Most.
Women do not behave like this.
Men take out large insurance policies so their wives and children will be well taken care of should they die. Even if the wife is making (nearly) as much money as the husband, she will not have insurance. She sees no reason to reduce her current ability to spend to take care of others after she is dead. She could care less what happens to the husband, and doesnâ€™t want the husband to be able to spend money on some young bimbo, after she dies. The life insurance gender statistics are well known, and widely available. None of this should be a shocking revelation.
When my second wife died, her mandatory insurance (free) provided by her teacherâ€™s union covered her funeral expenses. It would have made life much easier if her insurance had paid the over $350,000 my life insurance would have paid.
When does the expectation of mutual benefit in marriage go seriously wrong in the west? It goes wrong as soon as the â€œI Dosâ€ are said, or very shortly thereafter.
Why is this so?
Because you, the man have just entered into a contract with the state where you have promised that you will provide everything to your bride, and where the bride has promised nothing.
By the way, the full weight of the law and public opinion will support her stripping you of every thing you have, including your children, and most of what you will ever make in the future, when (not if) she decides to dump you.
Hence, once you enter into the contract you have nothing left to offer her. Everything you have, or will have, is already hers.
Seem like a harsh statement?
I thought so too, the first time I heard it, during an argument with my first wife towards the end of our marriage. She asked me the eternal female question, â€œWhat do you do for me?â€ (i.e. what benefit do I get from associating with you?) I responded, â€œI pay all your expenses. I feed, clothe, and house you. And, I am paying for your college tuition.â€ She told me that all the money I earned was her money and that if she let me have any of it that was pure charity on her part, so I was doing nothing for her. I thought this was unduly harsh. The divorce courts showed me that it was pretty much just a statement of fact.
The wife has it all, and can make her part of the marriage contract, the portion where she is to provide you with companionship, comfort, loyalty, sex, etc., null and void at any time while keeping everything you have/had/will ever have. She has no need to associate with you further once you are married (see corollary 2). (What is the difference between regular Barbie doll and divorced Barbie doll? Divorced Barbie comes with her stuff and all of Kenâ€™s stuff too.) This seems a totally destructive state of affairs.
Recently many in the western nations have been up in arms over a law passed in, I believe, Saudi Arabia that said if a married woman refuses her husband sex, then he can refuse to feed her. All are screaming it is Islamic misogyny. Seems to me, it is an equal degree of enforcement for both sides of a contract.
Presenting Briffaultâ€™s Law is a duty I felt I owed to the readership, as a public service. We all need to take off the blinders. You will get from women exactly what you should expect; if you keep Briffaultâ€™s Law (and my corollaries) in mind.
Knowing this earlier in life would have saved me a lot of pain. I hope it helps some of you out there keep a hand on the reins. All of us, men and women, will be happier if men take charge of their relationships and their finances.
I notice more and more men are against the idea of marriage, against the idea of giving their life away. When we read this it is very easy to not just understand their decision, but to respect it too!
This funny music video explains it all. In the beginning, the young woman's mom says that if she marries a foreigner, she's going to get a house, car, and all the things her family would want in life.
Getting involved with a Thai girl is one of the worst mistakes a Westerner can make. I got sucked into that culture's scene for a while until waking up to what the people generally are like over there behind the masks of artificial smiles.
List of interests while in a relationship with a Thai girl:
1. Money/material possessions
2. Immediate family Mama/Papa
4. Other relatives
5. Western BF/Husband
A Western BF/Husband will never be number 1 and you will always be considered a cash cow until your milk dries up. The problem with Thais is they have no honor and lying is ingrained in the culture, which they call "saving face". Plus, they hold their emotions within until one day they explode like a volcano and you never know how their aggression will turn out. I've never seen this kind of behavior in other Asians, only Thais.
The problem is that many of the girls have a very exotic look to them and have amazing bodies, which unfortunately makes most guys leave their rational minds behind and start thinking and acting only with their "little" heads.
That's why Filipinas make much better GF's or Wives than other Asians, (IF YOU CAN FIND A GOOD ONE) because you can find the exotic sexy look you want if you are willing to look and wait for the right one to come along, plus there aren't as many cultural barriers and you can at least communicate in basic English.
I would only go for other Asians if I knew their own culture had some kind of inherited honor code as part of the culture. Like I'm sure you could find decent Chinese/Korean or Japanese girl if you looked hard enough, their cultures have set honor codes and they seem to be more willing to bond and sacrifice for their husbands and family with them once they are married and have their own life. Immediate family is still in the picture but it's not an obsessive part of the wife's life anymore unlike with a Thai girl.
Just pump and dump Thai girls, don't marry them.
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor and stoic philosopher, 121-180 A.D.
'The problem is that many of the girls have a very exotic look to them and have amazing bodies'
Are you talking about ladyboys?
What about Russian, Brazilian, Colombian, European bodies?
Thai women dont match the above mentioned, especially not ISaan chicks with wide big noses, big mouth, round head, no tits, small ass ,short unless you go for ladyboy
Foreigners go for these sort of women bc they CANT get any better and cheapper anywhere, well maybe PH.IMHO western man/Thai women is total missmatch, wrong on so many levels
if Italian ladies are as easy and cheap as Thai everyone would go to Italy, think about it.
I would rather stick with massage parlours in US than get into relatio with Thai women where you are nothing but walking ATM in her eyes from the moment you met her, ATM to her and her family. Just pump em till pumpinz good,
Why can't I find Asian style bodies in Colombia or Brazil? Where are they in Europe? Why, why why?
Why the hell would a Western guy go to Asia in the first place if they don't like the way they look and are interested in Women whose bodies more resemble Latinas or curvy European women? Go to Latin America or Eastern Europe and find the type of body your looking for, why run around Thailand where less then 1% of the population may look like that?
The average Asian woman will never look like a Brazilian, Colombian or European unless they have some kind of recessive gene or they are of mixed race.
I never said that ALL Thai's or Asians for that matter are exotic and sexy, I'm talking about the small percentage that are concentrated in places where the "beautiful" people would congregate, and that would be the major cities and tourist places. Of course the average Thai or Asian doesn't look that great, but in most cases this is the same in all countries. There is only a small percentage of the population that "looks good" in comparison to the whole in any given place.
When you take into account "personal preferences" regarding looks, there is even a smaller window that many people may consider to be attractive. I have my personal feminine fetishes but I am also realistic and will adapt preferences when needed. Yes, I will be on the record stating that White women look the best when they got their shit together, but in many cases Asian women can look just as sexy and alluring as well. If you aren't interested in smaller bone structures, less body fat and shorter frames then looking for Euro style body in Asia is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack, i.e. all of Asia will be nearly impossible.
You can find curvy women in Asia that aren't fat and have nice breasts and ass, but you generally have to go to hedonistic places to find them. If you aren't interested in doing that then you will be searching a LONG time amongst "good" girls for that kind of body, and if you do find one they probably are high maintenance or had plastic surgery or already taken.
If you are older looking and don't have a decent type body then most guys who frequent bar type areas aren't that particular with looks to begin with, they have beer goggles on half the time and so only are worried about getting their shlong wet as long as the girl doesn't look like the "beast" they recently divorced. Anything under 25 that has little fat, tight meow meow and runs around like an ignorant dirty slut is good enough for them.
Thailand is more for partying, adult disneyland. If you want girls that look like Europeans but are cheaper go to Eastern Europe or Russia, If you want to bang Black chicks that are cheap and easier to deal with go directly to Africa, if you want Latina style bodies go to Latin and South America. Don't go looking for the above in Asia if that's all your really interested in hooking up with. If you live in Asia but constantly bitch that you can't find girls with decent tits and ass then move. Sink or swim in Asia, go with the flow. You'll never be happy with any Asian girl or their country as long as your physical standards don't apply to what the standard Asia woman would be.
I don't necessarily prefer the "Asian" look, to other races but I have adapted. If you can't, move on to the next region of the world. There is cheap sex in most parts of the world, you just gotta find it and sometimes you may have to change your personal standards to get some.
Drink alcohol before and during a night on the town, problem solved. Girls will look much better.
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor and stoic philosopher, 121-180 A.D.
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