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Postby zboy1 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:39 pm

ladislav wrote:You were posting faster than me. But you are right- Mongols and Russians intermarried later on and made peace.

And you are also right about Anglos/Germanics not liking Slavs but they did tolerate and semi accept Catholic Slavs- which included Catolic Ukrainians and Slovenes/Croats- these could become good Austrians.

Orthodox Slavs were disliked and their countries were declared not to be in Europe. Again, an opinion, but a very strong one.

Having said that, an average Korean, Chinese and Japanese cannot distinguish an Eastern Slav from an Anglo Saxon/Germanic.


Dude, what happened to you man? You seem so bitter nowadays. You used to be one of the best posters before on HA and now.... And why keep rehashing the 'Asians are racist meme', when most people already acknowledge that is the case! It gets old after a while.
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Postby Billy » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:56 pm

yakuza you are wrong. the muslims attacked the christians. looks like you know nothing about the muslim expansion. the places where the arabs conquered were mostly christian countries. iran was zoroastrian had a great culture. it was conquered by the muslims. same with northafrica which was also more christian. at 700 spain was conquered. the reconquista ended 1492. then the spanish became aggressive. as you see one pushes the other.

the attack from europe came about the 1200.

as i said the push came from the east. russions see the times with the mongols as their dark period.

islam killed atheist. as they were not beliverst. others have to pay and often become slaves. come on islam is a much crueller religion.

christianity made the europeans softer but like china with buddhism in the end stronger. because people would obey easier and politics would be easier.

the thing is when the mongols and turks would be successful in invading japan history would have become much more different.

it´s stupid to talk about who was the good guy in history and who was the bad guy. there will be allways different perspectives. you say for example you like the warrior mentality. so the imperialists were stronger so you should find them good.

you take world history far to serious.....


yes muslims and mongols wanted only "their money and women".... haha what else ist left then....
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Postby publicduende » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:05 pm

Billy wrote:yakuza you are wrong. the muslims attacked the christians. looks like you know nothing about the muslim expansion. the places where the arabs conquered were mostly christian countries. iran was zoroastrian had a great culture. it was conquered by the muslims. same with northafrica which was also more christian. at 700 spain was conquered. the reconquista ended 1492. then the spanish became aggressive. as you see one pushes the other.

the attack from europe came about the 1200.

as i said the push came from the east. russions see the times with the mongols as their dark period.

islam killed atheist. as they were not beliverst. others have to pay and often become slaves. come on islam is a much crueller religion.

christianity made the europeans softer but like china with buddhism in the end stronger. because people would obey easier and politics would be easier.

the thing is when the mongols and turks would be successful in invading japan history would have become much more different.

it´s stupid to talk about who was the good guy in history and who was the bad guy. there will be allways different perspectives. you say for example you like the warrior mentality. so the imperialists were stronger so you should find them good.

you take world history far to serious.....


yes muslims and mongols wanted only "their money and women".... haha what else ist left then....


The statement in bold is the best thing I have ever read from you, arkadasim :) No single society, civilisation, culture, philosophy, religion can ever be taken as an absolute positive or, by the same token, as an absolute negative. The Ottoman empire worked as the Mediterranean's cultural lighthouse in a time when Europe was stuck in extreme fragmentation and endless pro-Pope vs pro-Emperor petty fights. Ancient Romans sowed the seed of their own decline far before the barbarians came along to crack the fragile shell and wreak havoc. Even the Nazis and the Fascists were responsible for a number of great acts of social and economy policy, some of which are still standing today.

You're also right to say people shouldn't take history too seriously, as having a very strong stance almost always denotes a personal bias. Unfortunately, it is true that history is writtem by its winners...at any given point in time.
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Postby Billy » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:23 pm

thanks public arkadas, i think our young friend is so full of testosterone that he goes to far. but in his age it´s ok. but not allways ist he "white devil" to blame and certainly not jesus. i don´t think he was a brutal imperialist :)

anyway life goes on and remember yakuza, i read somewhere who takes the sword will be killed by the sword.
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Postby ladislav » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:53 pm

zboy1 wrote:
ladislav wrote:You were posting faster than me. But you are right- Mongols and Russians intermarried later on and made peace.

And you are also right about Anglos/Germanics not liking Slavs but they did tolerate and semi accept Catholic Slavs- which included Catolic Ukrainians and Slovenes/Croats- these could become good Austrians.

Orthodox Slavs were disliked and their countries were declared not to be in Europe. Again, an opinion, but a very strong one.

Having said that, an average Korean, Chinese and Japanese cannot distinguish an Eastern Slav from an Anglo Saxon/Germanic.


Dude, what happened to you man? You seem so bitter nowadays. You used to be one of the best posters before on HA and now.... And why keep rehashing the 'Asians are racist meme', when most people already acknowledge that is the case! It gets old after a while.


I am doing it to level the field and to present the opposite perspective. Yes, it gets old but I am one of few people writing about it. Does anyone here tell people to stop writing about white racists? No. Such writings have a green light for perpetuity.
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Postby zboy1 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:31 am

I'm an Asian Woman and I Refuse to Ever Date an Asian Man

It has nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with patriarchy. And guess what? More and more “racistâ€￾-against-Asian-men Asian women are getting on the white boy bandwagon.
http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me ... n-jenny-an

I'm an Asian girl. I don't date Asian guys. Yep, I'm one of those that date lots and lots of (mostly, but not always) white guys.

Why? It's simple: I'm a racist.

Yep, I said it.

And guess what? I’m not alone. I’m actually –- shudder to think -- part of a trend. Asians are marrying non-Asians at a rate much higher than any other racial group. This summer Pew reported that 37 percent of all recent Asian-American brides wedded a non-Asian groom. In an earlier study of the couples who married in 2008, 9 percent of whites, 16 percent of blacks and 26 percent of Hispanics did so with someone of a different race or ethnicity. Thirty-one percent of Asians did.

This trend has nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with patriarchy and cultural sexism and a lifestyle I grew up with and want nothing to do with anymore.

It would be easy to say that what I'm looking for culturally doesn't come in an Asian package.

Wesley Yang wrote about it in New York magazine last year and made my heart beat faster with the recognition of his rage against my cultural heritage machine. "Let me summarize my feelings toward Asian values: f**k filial piety. f**k grade grubbing. f**k Ivy League mania. f**k deference to authority. f**k humility and hard work. f**k harmonious relations. f**k sacrificing for the future. f**k earnest, striving middle-class servility," he says.

And. f**k. Yes. To. This.

My mother (born and raised in China) is obsessed with career "steps" and "paths" and working for this magical future that I doubt exists. It’s like New Age self-help for middle-class strivers. She can't fathom that I'm a freelancer by choice and constantly laments "that economy."

The physical attributes of my ideal man? If we're being stereotypical about it, well, I like geeky, scrawny and without muscles. I like effeminate. Also, did I mention that Daniel Liu is f***ing HOT?

And if we're talking about this, plenty of white guys have tiny penises. And I'm sure not all Asian guys have tiny penises. (Though, I'd have to sleep with some to find out for sure.) So really, not a physical thing.

Clearly, it's not those stereotypes.

Even if a charming, funny, intellectually curious, in so many words perfect man who has untied himself from the chains of Asian virtues came down my way -- even you, Daniel Liu whose hotness is practically a law of physics -- I would probably pass.

Partly, it's because I can date non-Asian dudes. More of me and other "racist"-against-other-Asian-men Asian women live in communities with people of other races. More of us attend those bastions of liberal thought mingling with other young, upwardly mobile types of colleges. More of us are in well-paying jobs, which expose us to people outside our ethnic enclaves.

But it's also because we still see ourselves as minorities, immigrants, outsiders. And we want the same thing new residents of America have wanted for hundreds of years: To be true Americans. Even among American-born people of Asian descent, only 28 percent describe themselves as "Americans."

I was born in Beijing to Chinese parents and emigrated to the U.S. when I was three. I don't have an accent. Aside from my very Midwestern one. My Italian cooking skills are far superior to my Chinese ones. My Spanish is better than my Chinese. My closet is filled with J. Crew and a healthy dash of Tommy Hilfiger and Ralph Lauren.

My pale, white-bread boyfriend jokes that I'm one of the whitest people he's ever met. And that's probably not by accident.

I date white men because the term "model minority" grosses me out. I date white men because it feels like I'm not ostracizing myself into an Asian ghetto and antiquated ideas of Asian unity. I still see myself as a minority. And with that, pretty soon comes connotations of "outsider." And I don't like that.

Dating white men means acceptance into American culture. White culture.

I realize my thinking is f***ed up. I get that. But as long as men tell me over dinner, "I've always wanted to be with an Asian girl" and then still think they're getting laid, and as long as during beauty countdowns white girls are called "beauties" and Asian girls are called "exotic beauties" -- well, then white will still be the societal standard.

And yes, I am Asian, but I'm drinking the same Kool-Aid as everyone else. Junot Diaz describes it as white supremacy. The idea that white is still tops, SAT scores, corporate jobs and fancy degrees be damned.

In the Boston Review, Diaz says: "And yet here’s the rub: if a critique of white supremacy doesn’t first flow through you, doesn’t first implicate you, then you have missed the mark; you have, in fact, almost guaranteed its survival and reproduction. There’s that old saying: the devil’s greatest trick is that he convinced people that he doesn’t exist. Well, white supremacy’s greatest trick is that it has convinced people that, if it exists at all, it exists always in other people, never in us."

So here it is: I am racist. I'd rather not be. I'd much rather be swept up into that beautiful land of racially ambiguous beauties. But for now, I will not and will never date one of my "people."


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Even the White males are slamming her in the comments section, LOL. This is what I mean by self-hatred!
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Postby OutWest » Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:32 am

Billy wrote:our young yakuza is full of energy and goes angry asian mode :)



He pretty well illustrates my point...just go into Angry racist Asian mode...I have lived for years in Asia and he is just another one of many...and men like him who totally IGNORE their part in creating stereotypes, pretty well assure white dudes of all sorts (Many as he correctly asserts, are scumbags.) an endless supply of Asian girls looking to where the grass is greener.

Angry tirades from angry Asian...same old same old...he fully plays into the stereotypes...yet again...sigh...


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Postby zboy1 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:44 am

OutWest wrote:
Billy wrote:our young yakuza is full of energy and goes angry asian mode :)



He pretty well illustrates my point...just go into Angry racist Asian mode...I have lived for years in Asia and he is just another one of many...and men like him who totally IGNORE their part in creating stereotypes, pretty well assure white dudes of all sorts (Many as he correctly asserts, are scumbags.) an endless supply of Asian girls looking to where the grass is greener.

Angry tirades from angry Asian...same old same old...he fully plays into the stereotypes...yet again...sigh...


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So all the experiences of Asian men are all lies? Have you read any of my posts? I just posted some articles and a retort to your post. I'm not "angry" just sad and depressed about the situation of my fellow Asian male brethren. You will never understand Outwest, since you're white and not a minority. It's difficult for people to understand something when they're not in someone else' shoes.
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Postby zboy1 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:52 am

OutWest wrote:
Billy wrote:our young yakuza is full of energy and goes angry asian mode :)



He pretty well illustrates my point...just go into Angry racist Asian mode...I have lived for years in Asia and he is just another one of many...and men like him who totally IGNORE their part in creating stereotypes, pretty well assure white dudes of all sorts (Many as he correctly asserts, are scumbags.) an endless supply of Asian girls looking to where the grass is greener.

Angry tirades from angry Asian...same old same old...he fully plays into the stereotypes...yet again...sigh...


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So do the "angry Black man," and the "angry Asian man," not have legit reasons for their anger? Do the Palestinians not have a right to be angry towards Israeli's and the Jews for their mistreatment and oppression? People act angry for a reason, Outwest. And as a White male, you don't have much to complain about anyway since your the top dog in the racial hierarchical system. And no, I don't hate Whites--since that's what someone going to reply with next inevitably.
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Postby OutWest » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:51 am

zboy1 wrote:
OutWest wrote:
Billy wrote:our young yakuza is full of energy and goes angry asian mode :)



He pretty well illustrates my point...just go into Angry racist Asian mode...I have lived for years in Asia and he is just another one of many...and men like him who totally IGNORE their part in creating stereotypes, pretty well assure white dudes of all sorts (Many as he correctly asserts, are scumbags.) an endless supply of Asian girls looking to where the grass is greener.

Angry tirades from angry Asian...same old same old...he fully plays into the stereotypes...yet again...sigh...


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So do the "angry Black man," and the "angry Asian man," not have legit reasons for their anger? Do the Palestinians not have a right to be angry towards Israeli's and the Jews for their mistreatment and oppression? People act angry for a reason, Outwest. And as a White male, you don't have much to complain about anyway since your the top dog in the racial hierarchical system. And no, I don't hate Whites--since that's what someone going to reply with next inevitably.



OK...spend your time and life as that angry dude...be my guest. Constructive men of all colors are spending their time, well, being constructive. That hierarchical system you spout about would by far rather you waste your time pissing and moaning than actually doing something with your life. Anger is energy, and that energy can be used as fuel or just as a pointless explosion, which is only destructive.

In reality we are not dealing with a race issue, it is more a maturity issue....things that former young bucks have learned, and how to be wise in using your energy. So spout, piss and moan, the powers that be will rest assured that you are wasting your time and life,
and somehow, I am unenlightened because I urge young men of any race to spend their time on constructive action rather than waste their life bitching. Oh, I forgot, I am white so I could not possibly understand...yada yada yada.

Old black men have typically learned this, and they have passed through the fire. Some of them are my favorite creatures in the universe. They have learned that truth transcends everything, and they are some of the world's most astute philosophers of the heart.

If you are black, I might advise you to seek advice from the wisest old black man you can find. If you are Chinese, I might advise you to seek advice from the wisest old Chinese man you can find. That is hardly foolish advice.


Outwest

I live in Asia, everywhere I go I am a minority. Some place like here in the Philippines, that is actually an asset. Most places in Asia it is NOT. I have been refused service in restaurants because I am white. You really need to get out. Spend time in China or Korea. They are booming, and the Asian men there are kicking ass! As an Asian male, there is hardly much to be sad about with what is going on.
It would sound like you are stuck in the USA around a bunch of provincial racist dumb-asses who think Shanghai is a quaint bamboo village in China.
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Postby abcdavid01 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:57 am

Yakuza, you need to write a book. Or a least a manifesto. For posterity's sake if nothing else. I never had much of a connection to Asian culture, but reading your posts I find myself in firm agreement. Sure, you come across as a little angry in your posts. Rightly so. Anger doesn't make a good case in intellectual discourse. I am hugely influenced by the book The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism. This book makes it a point that is not about the "evils" of socialism as a moral argument, but just pure logic. This is how the most convincing arguments are made. Despite the anger, which I think is quite tempered from what it could be, I do find a great deal of truth in your posts. Now I feel I have a duty to investigate my heritage and reasons to be more proud of it.

OutWest, Yakuza is being constructive by speaking out. I never really had a connection to my Asian race because I never had anyone as a mentor and all I ever saw was evil Communism in China. Now I feel like a lit fuse and am going to make it a point to study my true heritage.
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Postby zboy1 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:02 am

OutWest wrote:
zboy1 wrote:
OutWest wrote:
Billy wrote:our young yakuza is full of energy and goes angry asian mode :)



He pretty well illustrates my point...just go into Angry racist Asian mode...I have lived for years in Asia and he is just another one of many...and men like him who totally IGNORE their part in creating stereotypes, pretty well assure white dudes of all sorts (Many as he correctly asserts, are scumbags.) an endless supply of Asian girls looking to where the grass is greener.

Angry tirades from angry Asian...same old same old...he fully plays into the stereotypes...yet again...sigh...


Outwest
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So do the "angry Black man," and the "angry Asian man," not have legit reasons for their anger? Do the Palestinians not have a right to be angry towards Israeli's and the Jews for their mistreatment and oppression? People act angry for a reason, Outwest. And as a White male, you don't have much to complain about anyway since your the top dog in the racial hierarchical system. And no, I don't hate Whites--since that's what someone going to reply with next inevitably.


OK...spend your time and life as that angry dude...be my guest. Constructive men of all colors are spending their time, well, being constructive. That hierarchical system you spout about would by far rather you waste your time pissing and moaning than actually doing something with your life. Anger is energy, and that energy can be used as fuel or just as a pointless explosion, which is only destructive.

In reality we are not dealing with a race issue, it is more a maturity issue....things that former young bucks have learned, and how to be wise in using your energy. So spout, piss and moan, the powers that be will rest assured that you are wasting your time and life,
and somehow, I am unenlightened because I urge young men of any race to spend their time on constructive action rather than waste their life bitching. Oh, I forgot, I am white so I could not possibly understand...yada yada yada.

Old black men have typically learned this, and they have passed through the fire. Some of them are my favorite creatures in the universe. They have learned that truth transcends everything, and they are some of the world's most astute philosophers of the heart.

If you are black, I might advise you to seek advice from the wisest old black man you can find. If you are Chinese, I might advise you to seek advice from the wisest old Chinese man you can find. That is hardly foolish advice.


Outwest

I live in Asia, everywhere I go I am a minority. Some place like here in the Philippines, that is actually an asset. Most places in Asia it is NOT. I have been refused service in restaurants because I am white. You really need to get out. Spend time in China or Korea. They are booming, and the Asian men there are kicking a**! As an Asian male, there is hardly much to be sad about with what is going on.
It would sound like you are stuck in the USA around a bunch of provincial racist dumb-asses who think Shanghai is a quaint bamboo village in China.



That is some psychobabble bulls*it you wrote. And you're the one who bought up the negativity with the 'Asian men beat up their women' and 'Asian women don't want to deal with patriarchal Asian men' in your post. And to you point, I'll be headed to Asia soon next year. That doesn't mean I won't try to help out my fellow Asian Americans and address their grievances--just like Winston has done in creating this forum and helping out many Asian Americans in their suffering.
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