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Postby anamericaninbangkok » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:07 pm

Winston wrote:
zboy1 wrote:Banano, I had to delete your comments about the Thai King because several members felt like it could endanger them while there are living in Thailand. The Thai King is very revered throughout Thailand, so any negative comments about him on this forum may jeopardize several of the people living there right now (including many HA members who are very visible throughout the Internet).


Thanks. But why would it endanger other members here? If Banano made a negative comment about the king, then he would be guilty. Why would his guilt pass on to others? Thais have common sense right? Why would they target innocent people?

Besides, the internet is pretty much free speech. Aren't they used to criticism on the internet now? Maybe you guys are being overly paranoid?


Winston - Free speech is a concept of Americans, not Thais. Since when has common sense or logic ever been used in dealing with political issues? It's not so much a matter of what is right or wrong, it is what's called law.

Lèse majesté in Thailand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se_majest%C3%A9_in_Thailand

We're not being overly paranoid, ever hear about guilt by association? Not only this, if someone were to get wind of this sort of comment, you're the owner of the site. You come to Thailand — you could definitely be thrown in jail even though Banano was the one who wrote the comment. Jail terms range from a couple of years to 20+. I understand you may or may not ever come to Thailand, but I and several others are here. Would you gamble the next 20 years of your life by keeping a comment on this forum and coming to Thailand? I doubt it.

I've worked here as a journalist. I once wrote a rather scathing article about a politician. I was called into his office - and when they call, you go - and was told that if I ever wrote anything like this again, my life would become difficult. That's all. I've got a wife and kids, you don't think they could make my life and my families life a living hell? I didn't have to write what I wrote, it wasn't a life or death matter that could have saved millions of lives, but nevertheless, I should have been able to write what I wrote without interference. The same thing goes with writing something, anything that can be construed as negative about the King.

Banano made an idiotic post, bottom line, and it could affect numerous people on this board. My own name is out there for all to see but the Thai government has a task force and many others dedicated to scouring the internet looking for defamatory comments about the King and to going after them.

There is a reason why Thais love their King — to put it in a nutshell, he's done quite a lot for poor and blue-collar Thais, and for nearly all of them, he is the only King they have ever known. Personally I hope he lives until he's 150 because I cringe to think how his death will affect the country. At the very least there will be a lengthy mourning people.

Not to go on and on but Winston, I don't really think you understand the gravity of something like Banano wrote. I understand most people do not understand this, but if you're here in Thailand or even planning on coming here, you need to understand it. Hundred's of thousands of people pay homage to him every year on his birthday at Sanam Luang in Bangkok while millions do so around the country. Before movies, there is a short film and song dedicated to him. Everyone is required to stand. If you do not stand, I am not sure what would happen to a person (never seen someone not stand) but at best, you'll get snide looks, at worst, you'll get the crap beat out of you by other Thais.

May 2011. Joe Gordon, an American citizen born in Thailand as Lerpong Wichaikhammat,[60] had lived in the United States for thirty years before returning to his homeland where he was arrested on charges of insulting Thailand's monarchy — in part by posting a link on his blog to a banned book about the ailing king. Gordon is also reportedly suspected of translating, from English into Thai, portions of The King Never Smiles – an unauthorized biography of King Bhumibol Adulyadej – and posting them online, along with articles he wrote that allegedly defame the royal family.[67][68] "I want President Obama and Hillary Clinton to intervene on on my behalf," he is quoted as saying.[69] After being denied bail eight times, a shackled–and–handcuffed Gordon said in court on 10 October, “I’m not fighting in the case. I’m pleading guilty, sirs.â€￾[70] On 8 December 2011 a court in Thailand sentenced Joe Gordon to two and a half years in prison (halved from five years due to pleading guilty) for defaming the country's royal family by translating excerpts of a locally banned biography of the king and posting them online.[71] The 10 October AP report on Joe Gordon's plea adds that "Yingluck’s government has been just as aggressive in pursuing the cases as its predecessors.". On July 10, 2012, Gordon received a pardon from the King and was released from jail
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Postby Repatriate » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:14 pm

Americaninbangkok is right about this Winston. Bagging on the royalty is serious trouble. They have a "cyber crimes" division in Bangkok which is basically a bunch of government stiffs sitting in an office searching for people who disparage them online. They have been known to log ip addresses, request isp info, and do reverse lookups to find out who is making those posts and them putting them on immigration blacklists. Then you get arrested if you ever enter the country.

Thais are not rational or reasonable at all when it comes to this, it's cultural fanaticism but nothing will happen if you just leave that topic alone. Don't try to test the boundaries of "free speech" or debate in Thailand, Winston. You will get burned hard.
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Postby anamericaninbangkok » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:16 pm

Repatriate wrote:Americaninbangkok is right about this Winston. Bagging on the royalty is serious trouble. They have a "cyber crimes" division in Bangkok which is basically a bunch of government stiffs sitting in an office searching for people who disparage them online. They have been known to log ip addresses, request isp info, and do reverse lookups to find out who is making those posts and them putting them on immigration blacklists. Then you get arrested if you ever enter the country.

Thais are not rational or reasonable at all when it comes to this, it's cultural fanaticism but nothing will happen if you just leave that topic alone. Don't try to test the boundaries of "free speech" or debate in Thailand, Winston. You will get burned hard.


Winston may not get burned hard if he never comes to Thailand but those on the board who live here might.
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Postby Winston » Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:29 am

I still think that even if Banano's comment were left on here, and I entered Thailand, most likely they would just tell me about it and ask me to remove it.

People usually ask nicely first before they get mean, as in AmericaninBangkok's case. They don't jump the gun.

Are AmericaninBangkok's name and photo public? Do they know who he is from his website?

Banano does seem like a reckless poster though. You guys should keep a watch on him.
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Postby Banano » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:20 am

Winston wrote:I still think that even if Banano's comment were left on here, and I entered Thailand, most likely they would just tell me about it and ask me to remove it.

People usually ask nicely first before they get mean, as in AmericaninBangkok's case. They don't jump the gun.

Are AmericaninBangkok's name and photo public? Do they know who he is from his website?

Banano does seem like a reckless poster though. You guys should keep a watch on him.



Do you even know what I wrote about king? I didn't say nothing bad about him

You guys are sooo paranoid, period.
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Postby anamericaninbangkok » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:31 am

We're not paranoid, you and Winston are absolutely clueless, seriously. You're oblivious to the truth. Read the Wikipedia or look up Lese Majeste...Like I said, I worked here as a journalist...believe it or not, I'm not full of shit. Your ideals of what is right and wrong don't mean shit to the Thai government.
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Postby Repatriate » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:00 am

I can confirm that AiB is absolutely not full of shit regarding this topic. It is dangerous territory that can get you in serious shit. Especially if you ever go to Thailand. They do things like submitting legal affidivats from U.S. lawyers to request info from isps to put you on blacklists.

If you do want to make statements about topics like that at least make sure you are completely anonymous somewhere.
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Postby xiongmao » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:44 am

Yes this topic scares me and Banano was foolish to bring it up, and even more foolish to not see what was wrong with what he originally posted. I left China partly because I got scared of some traitors using their influence to threaten me. I don't want to have to leave Thailand as well.

Do you seriously know how scary it is to live in a foreign country and wait for a knock on the door? I bet you have no idea. This is SERIOUS shit.

I've been on a Thai bus pulled over on the freeway to let VIP's speed through at 100mph. Sukhumvit is regularly shut down to let VIP's speed through. We ordinary folk need to know our place.

The whole of Asia depends on who you know, and who you pay off. The street sellers on Sukhumvit openly sell guns, knives, porn, viagra and it's all illegal. The same went on back in China. But if a farang gets caught with any of that and they're gonna go to jail or pay a big fine.

So let's end any mention of this here. You're free to discuss such matters on other forums, but I'm leaving here permanently if I ever see this topic appear again.

Let this discussion end here - mods please lock this thread.

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