Why many white men get short end of stick with Thai women

[pete98146]

Thailand?

This is what I feel like doing when I think of Thailand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_18EgERsI

Read this:

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/reader/reader37.html

I lived in Thailand for 3.5 years because of my work. The people are much more harsh-hearted than Filipinos and much more nationalistic there. I learned the language well and things change when you can understand what they are saying about you. While admittedly not all Thai women will reject Western men, most clean girls of the middle class will be ashamed to be walking down the street with you. Heard comments ( which those who cannot speak Thai will not understand). Many bars and clubs and entertainment establishments outside of tourist areas have the "non-Orientals not allowed" policy. I have been refused entry to such establishments myself. Some guys even complain that they do not get served in restaurants. Daily mockery of white people and ripping them off is the norm ( although again, those who cannot speak Thai, will not understand it).

Thailand was never colonized so they have been taught that because of their wise kings and some kind of cultural superiority and a great civilization they were not colonized. Also, they kept their culture and race pure and there was a time when white people were not even permitted to go there. Asians were allowed to immigrate and intermarry with the population there. So, there is still a barrier between a Thai and a Farang. Whether the barrier is thick or thin is a judgment call. I did not feel welcome there. You ask people for directions in Thai and they run away. Some people do not want to get into the same elevator with you. And there is this mockery and unpleasant looks that abound. Many people are suspicious and mistrustful of the Farang. I would say that 50% of Thais just look down on white people.

I also worked at Thai universities - three of them- and quite a few Thai teachers were not nice to us, some would not even say hello to us. Constant indignant talk and scorn.

After the Philippines I felt uncomfortable there and I never got used to the somber soul of the people there camouflaged by a fake smile.

Plus the average IQ there is quite low. Many people look morose and lethargic.

The Philippines has worse food and infrastructure but the general level of acceptance by Filipino people is gar greater. I have dated all kinds of girls in RP. The prejudice against white people is like one tenth of one percent of Thailand's.

And also, the visas- in Thailand it is hard to get any long term visa because they are so nationalistic; whereas in the Philippines, visas are less of a problem; nationalism is minimal, and racism is rarely directed against white people, it is more among themselves. White people are generally liked if they behave, and can mingle with the locals with minimum discomfort. Locals want to see you mix with them. And if you learn a Filipino language you are 99% in. In Thailand, you are still an outsider.

The people who are not ethnically Thais- Khmers and Lao ethnic groups are nice and friendly, but not straight Thais.

Thailand?

Yeeeech!

Great analysis of Thailand Ladislav. I have never been there before but I have heard a lot of negative things similar to what you described. My question is about the Philippines. On my last two visits to the Philippines, I have been subject to a lot of nasty comments in English loud enough for me to hear it. Each time I was with a pretty lady so I didn't lose my cool. I understand that as a Western man, I make more than the average Filipino and I come and date beautiful women from his country but the jealousy is unreal.

I know this is an old thread but has anyone experienced the same jealousy from local punks in the Philippines? The women have been extremely kind to me but many guys have displayed a lot of hate.

there is no jealousy amongst filipino men against westerners....trust me

the biggest backlash from filipino guys is actually against korean men

Don't necessarily agree. There can be some hostility. I had a filipino man walk right up to me and tell me, "hey we don't mind when you kanos take the ugly women but we DO mind when you take our pretty ones." Also had quite a few occasions when I'd be walking hand in hand with my wife and the guys on the street started yelling at my wife telling her she's a traitor etc.

[Anonymous1]

Thailand?

This is what I feel like doing when I think of Thailand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_18EgERsI

Read this:

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/reader/reader37.html

I lived in Thailand for 3.5 years because of my work. The people are much more harsh-hearted than Filipinos and much more nationalistic there. I learned the language well and things change when you can understand what they are saying about you. While admittedly not all Thai women will reject Western men, most clean girls of the middle class will be ashamed to be walking down the street with you. Heard comments ( which those who cannot speak Thai will not understand). Many bars and clubs and entertainment establishments outside of tourist areas have the "non-Orientals not allowed" policy. I have been refused entry to such establishments myself. Some guys even complain that they do not get served in restaurants. Daily mockery of white people and ripping them off is the norm ( although again, those who cannot speak Thai, will not understand it).

Thailand was never colonized so they have been taught that because of their wise kings and some kind of cultural superiority and a great civilization they were not colonized. Also, they kept their culture and race pure and there was a time when white people were not even permitted to go there. Asians were allowed to immigrate and intermarry with the population there. So, there is still a barrier between a Thai and a Farang. Whether the barrier is thick or thin is a judgment call. I did not feel welcome there. You ask people for directions in Thai and they run away. Some people do not want to get into the same elevator with you. And there is this mockery and unpleasant looks that abound. Many people are suspicious and mistrustful of the Farang. I would say that 50% of Thais just look down on white people.

I also worked at Thai universities - three of them- and quite a few Thai teachers were not nice to us, some would not even say hello to us. Constant indignant talk and scorn.

After the Philippines I felt uncomfortable there and I never got used to the somber soul of the people there camouflaged by a fake smile.

Plus the average IQ there is quite low. Many people look morose and lethargic.

The Philippines has worse food and infrastructure but the general level of acceptance by Filipino people is gar greater. I have dated all kinds of girls in RP. The prejudice against white people is like one tenth of one percent of Thailand's.

And also, the visas- in Thailand it is hard to get any long term visa because they are so nationalistic; whereas in the Philippines, visas are less of a problem; nationalism is minimal, and racism is rarely directed against white people, it is more among themselves. White people are generally liked if they behave, and can mingle with the locals with minimum discomfort. Locals want to see you mix with them. And if you learn a Filipino language you are 99% in. In Thailand, you are still an outsider.

The people who are not ethnically Thais- Khmers and Lao ethnic groups are nice and friendly, but not straight Thais.

Thailand?

Yeeeech!

Great analysis of Thailand Ladislav. I have never been there before but I have heard a lot of negative things similar to what you described. My question is about the Philippines. On my last two visits to the Philippines, I have been subject to a lot of nasty comments in English loud enough for me to hear it. Each time I was with a pretty lady so I didn't lose my cool. I understand that as a Western man, I make more than the average Filipino and I come and date beautiful women from his country but the jealousy is unreal.

I know this is an old thread but has anyone experienced the same jealousy from local punks in the Philippines? The women have been extremely kind to me but many guys have displayed a lot of hate.

there is no jealousy amongst filipino men against westerners....trust me

the biggest backlash from filipino guys is actually against korean men

Don't necessarily agree. There can be some hostility. I had a filipino man walk right up to me and tell me, "hey we don't mind when you kanos take the ugly women but we DO mind when you take our pretty ones." Also had quite a few occasions when I'd be walking hand in hand with my wife and the guys on the street started yelling at my wife telling her she's a traitor etc.

but that rarely happen...you are a rarity...consider yourself lucky that you have a attractive wife...not many kanos do

[drronnie]

I have noticed a few things about the guys getting ripped off left and right about Thai girls they usually have these things in common..

1) Generally ignorant of Thai or asian culture. Some expats can't tell good from bad and go on purely what turns them on sexually. Then you have a whole crop of slutty looking con artist women who know how to walk the talk and dress according to what they think western guys want. They reel people in through internet dating sites, bars, or networking with expat men. Their whole goal is to marry up and then live the life of one of those useless layabout women you see on Thai soaps. That's literally their dream except they come from trashy backgrounds and think the path to wealth is paved on their backs. It ends disastrously for obvious reasons.

2) Lack of career prospects. Guys come and think they will teach indefinitely in some low rent job and not realize that the income level in Thailand does not support the lifestyle or the type of woman they want (see above).

3) No local social circle. They hang out with other expat men and end up dating from the same pool of corrupted trashy women.

4) Family issues. Thai families can be demanding even if the woman is legitimate. Even if the expat I described above lucks out they can be stuck with some really trashy relatives who don't have a primary's worth of education split between the 10 of them and who view the western guy as the pot o' gold at the end of the rainbow. In this sort of scenario you end up with none of the benefits of having a decent extended family which could be detrimental down the road.

Legit points. I catch myself making some of these mistakes too.