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10,000 Korean Children Born To Filipina Hoes

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Postby MarcosZeitola » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:12 pm

publicduende wrote:Maybe he was referring to General Marcos :)


It'd be easier to assume that, and just walk away. But I'm genuinely curious now for what he has to say, and why I was dragged into this topic about Korean dudes fathering bastard kids with Filipina bargirls. Not exactly my area of expertise, I'm afraid. Maybe he should ask Winston, WND or 'newlifeinthephilippines'? lol

publicduende wrote:Certain people are so jaded they confuse compassion and generosity with weakness against the brick wall of evil feminism.


And in doing so, they themselves become like a brick wall. No open-mindedness, no kindness, just cold hearted 'facts' of life. Some people here are inclined to see things in a very formulaic way. There's good and bad, right and wrong, evil and righteous. The world is black and white, and they have been revealed which is black and which is white. They took a pill... the red pill, I think it was? And now they know where it's at and the rest of us doesn't. Not the sort of reasoning I am prone to, but to each their own I suppose.

A lot of people have made nasty comments about the Philippines as of late. It's probably a recurring theme but since signing up, I have seen it intensify the last month or two. Perhaps it peaks whenever someone (like Ghost, recently) gets screwed over or has a bad experience. They get disillusioned and spread that negativity around. Suddenly, a Filipina can do no good to them and when they get in any sort of trouble it must somehow be 'their own fault'. Desperation isn't exactly a choice if you ask me. But being a bastard is.

I can't bring myself to hate the country I found refuge in, nor could I ever dismiss all of it's population as 'scum' the way some others seem to have done. A very sad and utterly self-defeating theory of mind. There's no need to be afraid of people "ruining a country": misery seeks company, and you have a choice over the type of circles you wish to associate with. We all make choices. Mine have left me with a more optimistic view of the world and it's inhabitants. If that makes me deluded, I'd happily be deluded because at least at the end of the day, I go to bed smiling rather then cursing the world. :wink:
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Postby publicduende » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:25 pm

Yohan wrote:The point is if the Korean male customer is even aware of it. - How does a Korean man who pays for occasional sexual services in Philippines know later on that this bargirl is pregnant? And is she really pregnant from him? How does she know even his name?


The solution would be quite simple. Force all punters, or any man who indulge in occasional sex with them, to use a condom. When I was in the Philippines I had a few conversations with local Pinoys from prominent families, and they were all convinced that it was poverty, ignorance and naivety, not one or ten occasional boyfriends, who got these girls pregnant.

Yohan wrote:I consider this article as very biased, very unfair towards foreign men as the large majority of abandoned children have a Filipino and not a foreign father.


Agreed, but perhaps the article was only highlighting this particular aspect of the story. I don't think anybody in the Philippines is stigmatising young English students or businessmen from South Korea or Japan for being responsible with an epidemic of unwanted pregnancies. It is a fact though that the vast majority of sex workers and liberal girls are happy to have unprotected sex with those men.

Yohan wrote:I also mentioned in my reply above in the same thread, that foreigners give a lot of support to Filipino children, either by donations or by taking care of women and children who were left and forgotten by their Filipino husband and father.

The Philippine government does not care about them at all - it is impossible, as there is poverty everywhere.

Many foreign men accept a Filipina woman as she is, even together with her children, despite divorce does not exist in the Philippine law and all what they can do is co-habitation.

The problem is about co-habitation. In South Korea co-habitation is not accepted - there must be a marriage contract if you want to take a foreign wife with her children to South Korea.

So what to do?

Many South Koreans, and some Japanese and other foreigners support their Filipina girlfriend financially while working in South Korea or in Japan or elsewhere overseas. Other foreign men are entering Philippines for retirement and don't care if married or not.


That is interesting. I did not know that those Korean men would not be able to take the mom of the child back with them without a marriage contract. In Davao I did meet one young woman, a friend's friend, who had 3 children from a Korean man, yet she wouldn't explain me why she wouldn't move to Korea with him. Perhaps her story was more complicated than that, yet the fact above does give a partial explanation.

Yohan wrote:I read here something about 10.000 children who have likely a Korean father, but do you know that there are over 2 million street children living in the Philippines, many of them abandoned - and who can be the father of them? What do you think? A foreigner? Or a Filipino?

Other foreigners - me too - support poor Philippine children over years. I spend 1000s of USD every year for social assistance in the Philippines. - My Filipina fosterdaughter was abandoned and forgotten by both parents. Both are Philippine citizens and never had any relationship with a foreigner.


What you are doing is absolutely admirable, the mark of a noble heart and a pragmatic mind. I have too met children who had been abandoned by both their parents, sometimes because they were too young and immature to understand the consequences of their act. In many cases though, it was "excess children" who were selectively given away to improvised foster families, as their parents would not be able to literally feed them 3 times a day.

On my first trip to the Philippines I spent some time in Samal Island, in a cute hostel ran by an American foreigner and his wife (you can imagine what it is). One of the "staff" making beds and cleaning rooms was one such abandoned child, who would receive food and shelter in exchange for work. Yes he was probably one of the most destitute human beings I could ever meet in my life. Yet, he never spared his "hostel family" and even guests a big smile.

As Franco said, Philippines can be a blessed society when (some of) its people realise that the biggest rich they have is each other's company and support. It is a consideration that can still melt my heart to this day.
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Postby Yohan » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:38 pm

Franco wrote:Ghost is white? Then why the hell is he complaining that foreigners are going to ruin his precious China when he isn't Chinese himself. Sounds like a Chinophile to me.


I noticed this strange behavior frequently from Western men, mostly from USA and sometimes from UK, when they are visiting some certain Asian countries for the first time, not only in China, but also in Singapore and here in Japan.

These Western men are fed up with all these problems they face in their own country and with their own government. They want to be in a country which is by their feeling 'properly organized'.

You might expect them to be Asian-Americans or Asian-British, but as a fact most of them are white people, born in Northern America or Europe.

They are disappointed with the Western life-style, they gave up, they admire governments which are in control of everything.

The reason for this behavior in USA is maybe because of gun-culture, street violence, uneducated immigrants, broken families, racist BS-talks, with the government collecting taxes even when living abroad, bad experiences with family courts, etc. etc. many reasons...

When they come for the first time in Asia, they are shocked - they were still dreaming the American dream - and now they see Shanghai Center and compare that with any broken town in USA, they come to Tokyo and are confused as the waiter in the restaurant is refusing to accept any tip, he goes to Singapore, no human rights for hooligans, the rattan over the behind, case finished for a while etc. etc., he goes to Thailand and sees all these girls - Pattaya Beach Road... and suddenly such men get 'yellow fever' LOL
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Postby chanta76 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:07 pm

I just have to add most blogs written about Asia are written by expats. Some of these expats are white guys and some are white girls. Some of them will have a strong bias opinion. Even though I disagree with Korean guys just getting a girl pregnant and running away. I do have to take Yohan position on this one.

The article is indeed bias and it's intention is to portrayed Korean men as perverts. Hmm...the writers for these are from America I'm guessing but they don't want to acknowledge the history where American GI got Korean women pregnant and ran away or the number of American men that go to Asia for sex tourism. This also includes Korea.

Sites like Korean bang , Grand Narrative , and marlot (I spelled this wrong.) ..are blogs that I think are bias.

Just like HA is bias site regarding America.
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Postby MrMan » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:40 pm

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Franco wrote:Typical Chinese indifference. Chinese are ruthless and cold-hearted when it comes to family planning

The Chinese are obsessed with status, money, and power.


Chinese have a reputation for stinginess in some parts of the world. But Chinese Christians can be extremely generous. I've gotten to know some of them living overseas.

Unfortunately many Asians are like that. They care only about their own family clan and about nobody else - sad, but true.


Some of these Asians would say that Americans care only about themselves. Cultures with strong in-group collectivism emphasize putting the in-group before the self and people demonstrate a lot of loyalty to the in-group.

I agree with you that giving to poor children is a good thing.
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Postby Yohan » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:46 am

publicduende wrote:That is interesting. I did not know that those Korean men would not be able to take the mom of the child back with them without a marriage contract. In Davao I did meet one young woman, a friend's friend, who had 3 children from a Korean man, yet she wouldn't explain me why she wouldn't move to Korea with him. Perhaps her story was more complicated than that, yet the fact above does give a partial explanation.

You cannot compare laws in Philippines/Japan/Korea with those in Europe or USA. Handling of personal affairs is quite different in Asia, especially in case of minor children.

Philippines has various restrictions regarding children and can be complicated to handle. A lot of documents are required for Philippine children to bring them out of the country. If they all are travelling together, the father, the mother and their own children there is no problem - but otherwise you should ask for clearance papers from the welfare department before you consider your travel schedule.

Philippines does not know about divorce, only nullification of a marriage, this can cost some money and is time-consuming, especially if the other spouse resists to sign. Often people remain married, leave the other spouse and are just into co-habitation with another partner.

Guardian/costody rights are quite complicated, considering the biological father too, even if he does not care about the children at all and abandoned them. If he is refusing to sign to let the children to travel to overseas, you might find yourself in big troubles.

Japan, and as far as I know also South Korea will not issue any longstay permit for a foreign wife who is merely into co-habitation without a marriage certificate.

You will also have also prove that these children with you and her are your own offspring and not the children from some other man. Otherwise it might happen that Philippines authorities will refuse to let them board the airplane and the Japanese authorities will refuse to grant any visa/longstay permit. They might even not be able to get a passport under certain circumstances.

South Korea (but not Japan) even created laws to prevent South Korean men to bring a foreign wife easily - despite legally married - into South Korea.

They got this idea from USA, which has similar feminist regulations against dating a foreign wife, called VAWA-IMBRA.

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About paperwork regarding my abandoned fosterdaughter from Tagum region in Mindanao, both parents did not care at all about her, severely mistreated, sick, malnutrition etc. - a court with the help of the welfare department suspended parents rights temporarily and gave custody rights to a far away living relative, a Filipina who I know well in Cebu, who is an honest woman, and takes care of everything up to now. That's how we met when she was 8 years old.

I was worried that her biological parents might claim her back, but they never contacted us and never were asking about her, they abandoned also their older sister (who is almost blind) and their younger son, and the other 2 older children did not care about their younger brother and sisters, they moved away and disappeared.

Philippines has also very difficult restrictions for children up to 18 years, it is difficult to open even a banking account for them, even if parents are willing to co-sign. It is impossible to get any permit for them to do even an easy work, it is difficult to be with them as a foreigner not related to them in private rooms etc. etc.

It took us years to get a birth certificate (as her birth was not correctly registered in her village), her exact birthday is unknown, next step was a baptism certificate, as good schools in Cebu are all Catholic controlled. Some Catholic private schools are requesting a marriage certificate of the parents to prove that the child was born in wedlock.

It was never possible to get a passport and clearance papers to take her out of Philippines. She is now 19 and has her passport, but even in this situation, Philippines has protective laws to prevent young women - even as adults - to leave the country.

All in all, Philippines is a rather bureaucratic society and it is not always easy for a foreigner.

About these Korean men, there is always a shortage of Korean women nowadays for marriage - but to bring into their own country a foreign wife is also not so easy, especially not from Philippines and with HER children.

I understand that some men give up and leave with no return.

Some Korean men are more responsible and buy a condominium or small house, send some money and come often for visits to Cebu for a few days as the flight is cheap, not such a long distance.
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About all these bargirls, it's a totally different matter. I doubt if the Korean customer visiting a bar even knows, he is now a father - how can he know that? He was together with this girl and maybe other girls too for a few days only, going home to Korea and these bargirls are all moving on to the next customers. How can they even know after birth who is the father?
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Postby Yohan » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:27 am

MarcosZeitola wrote:And in doing so, they themselves become like a brick wall. No open-mindedness, no kindness, just cold hearted 'facts' of life.
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A lot of people have made nasty comments about the Philippines as of late. It's probably a recurring theme but since signing up, I have seen it intensify the last month or two.


It's not only about Philippines and it is not only since last month.

Don't ask me what strange comments I read about Japan almost every day. Japanese women are considered to be 'yellow dwarfs', Western men living in Japan are 'paedophile perverts' etc.

Almost all of these hateful comments are from USA/UK and almost all of them are in English.
I rarely see hateful comments in German or French.

Hate-comments are created frequently by mainland-Chinese trolls against Japan, Philippines, Vietnam...others are coming in from Chinese-Americans. Some are from frustrated feminists and manginas in UK, often against Thailand, Thai women and UK/European men who relocated to that region.

It's all about what I consider racist BS-talk, not even worth to think about it.
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Postby green1976 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:03 am

chanta76 wrote:I just have to add most blogs written about Asia are written by expats. Some of these expats are white guys and some are white girls. Some of them will have a strong bias opinion. Even though I disagree with Korean guys just getting a girl pregnant and running away. I do have to take Yohan position on this one.

The article is indeed bias and it's intention is to portrayed Korean men as perverts. Hmm...the writers for these are from America I'm guessing but they don't want to acknowledge the history where American GI got Korean women pregnant and ran away or the number of American men that go to Asia for sex tourism. This also includes Korea.

Sites like Korean bang , Grand Narrative , and marlot (I spelled this wrong.) ..are blogs that I think are bias.

Just like HA is bias site regarding America.


Well the question to be asked in Korea is how women there are allowed by the society to be hyperselective and as a result you see an increasing number of guys going abroad or bring women in Korea.
They just see those men "escaping"and surely the only conclusion is that they are looking for a "submissive" woman.

I don't see any difference from the West when the social mantra blame those damned Korean men who "abuse"their foreign women in many ways.

How it's always one side who has to have the burden of the possible gender relation failure but nobody cares to put also the other part on the table by asking the question why all these Korean women get a free pass by being totally ultragamous demanding silly conditions to men?

Do Korean society put those women to look at them on the mirror and stop being like white spirited innocent gaining empowering women rights in front of centuries of men "oppression"?
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Postby Franco » Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:59 am

green1976 wrote:
chanta76 wrote:I just have to add most blogs written about Asia are written by expats. Some of these expats are white guys and some are white girls. Some of them will have a strong bias opinion. Even though I disagree with Korean guys just getting a girl pregnant and running away. I do have to take Yohan position on this one.

The article is indeed bias and it's intention is to portrayed Korean men as perverts. Hmm...the writers for these are from America I'm guessing but they don't want to acknowledge the history where American GI got Korean women pregnant and ran away or the number of American men that go to Asia for sex tourism. This also includes Korea.

Sites like Korean bang , Grand Narrative , and marlot (I spelled this wrong.) ..are blogs that I think are bias.

Just like HA is bias site regarding America.


Well the question to be asked in Korea is how women there are allowed by the society to be hyperselective and as a result you see an increasing number of guys going abroad or bring women in Korea.
They just see those men "escaping"and surely the only conclusion is that they are looking for a "submissive" woman.

I don't see any difference from the West when the social mantra blame those damned Korean men who "abuse"their foreign women in many ways.

How it's always one side who has to have the burden of the possible gender relation failure but nobody cares to put also the other part on the table by asking the question why all these Korean women get a free pass by being totally ultragamous demanding silly conditions to men?

Do Korean society put those women to look at them on the mirror and stop being like white spirited innocent gaining empowering women rights in front of centuries of men "oppression"?


Koreans are racist. Their country was agricultural and they modernized so fast in a short span of time. SKorea is considered 1st world nation with thriving competitive businesses like LG, Samsung, and Hyundai. The Koreans are hypernationalists and view SE Asians are inferior to them. It's like how a German would view a Greek. Koreans believe Filipinos are too lazy, complacent, and easy going to do the ruthless business it takes to be successful. However, Koreans have a dark side of betraying their own kind, ripping them off for their own financial gain. Koreans are angry drunks and called the Irish of the East. Their tempers are legendary. Mixing alcohol and Taekwondo is serious ass-kicking. Koreans obsess over status, money, education, and most importantly being "Korean" first and treating foreigners like scum. Korea was colonized by the Japanese, Russians, Chinese, and Americans - so they got this victim-mentality.
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Postby Yohan » Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:09 am

Franco wrote:Korea was colonized by the Japanese, Russians, Chinese, and Americans - so they got this victim-mentality.


This victim mentality does not impress Japan at all.

Japan is not responsible for the Korean War, which took place some years after Japan surrendered and was occupied by USA.

So far, both, North and South Korea failed to find a dialog among themselves and to solve their own problems since over 60 years.
South Korea cannot blame Japan, China, USA, Russia etc. for that. It's the internal problem of both Koreas.

South Korea is a victim? Victim of what? This was true in the past under Japanese rule, but not anymore.

About the behavior of Koreans, they are simply said like that, this is not a violence free country, people are often acting aggressively, but it is better now than in the past, where Koreans had street fights and demonstrations over days with police ending often in severe injuries and damages. It's not only about men, Korean women are often acting in the same way against their husband and children.
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Postby Franco » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:05 pm

Yohan wrote:
Franco wrote:Korea was colonized by the Japanese, Russians, Chinese, and Americans - so they got this victim-mentality.


This victim mentality does not impress Japan at all.

Japan is not responsible for the Korean War, which took place some years after Japan surrendered and was occupied by USA.

So far, both, North and South Korea failed to find a dialog among themselves and to solve their own problems since over 60 years.
South Korea cannot blame Japan, China, USA, Russia etc. for that. It's the internal problem of both Koreas.

South Korea is a victim? Victim of what? This was true in the past under Japanese rule, but not anymore.

About the behavior of Koreans, they are simply said like that, this is not a violence free country, people are often acting aggressively, but it is better now than in the past, where Koreans had street fights and demonstrations over days with police ending often in severe injuries and damages. It's not only about men, Korean women are often acting in the same way against their husband and children.


Why do the Japanese prefer being alone? They seem to not like to get together for some reason. I respect Japanese loyalty in friendship even Steve Jobs' friend was a Japanese who would never divulge any details of their relationship.

Why did Japan let the Americans ruin their economy? The Japanese stock markets are crashing and the debt crisis is insane. The Americans and their Wall Street sociopath bankers help destroy Japan's future. Now Japan is planning on re-militarizing to face-off against a rising Chinese dragon.
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