Very true. Relationships have a much higher success rate with poor women. Middle class and wealthy women have a divorce rate 5 times higher than poor women. "Classy women", will lead you to the slaughter house.davewe wrote:Rock wrote:It's not so cut-and-dried as you imagine it to be Duende. There's a lot of cases and many possibilities, not simple at all. Individual characteristics and family characteristics vary dramatically, even within a given so-called socio economic group. Who decides to befriend foreigners or at least accept them and what sorts they will associate with is complex. There are plenty of yuppies who love to hang with the international set and dirt poor folk from squatter areas or rural provincial backwaters who wouldn't feel comfortable at all with anyone out of their immediate community. There are also some very poor girls who seek boyfriends with pure intentions and may accept a foreigner if a sincere and genuine one comes along. And there even are some very materialistic money grubbing middle class types who are not desperate or needy at all yet have corrupted values. Religion plays a role too - is she Catholic (most likely), Muslim, Iglesia, born again, or atheist/agnostic (I've actually met quite a few of the last type lol). Is her family large, small, or not intact at all? Lots of factors, lots of variables, especially in Metro Manila.publicduende wrote:Your point has an obvious corollary: the shittier a woman's job, the poorer and least educated she is likely to be, and the more likely she will be to flirt with you for the sole reason of having a get-out-of-poverty ticket for themselves and their families.Taco wrote:I've had young Filipinas throwing themselves at me at many different places in the Philippines. However, I've had more Filipinas flirting with me at the public market than any where else I've been. Most of these girls only get paid a 100 pesos a day to sell rice, fruit and vegetables in a rat and roach infested place with no air conditioning. They can be rather forward, they even asked my wife if I was good in bed. If you go there and you don't have a new girlfriend in 15 minutes your doing something wrong. Which brings me to my next point.
Rule #1, The shittier a woman's job is the more likely they are to flirt with you.
I don't know how many of you guys are so desperate on getting "notch-count" that you are prepared to find a girlfriend from the more destitute layers of Filipino society, which are coincidentally where the chance is highest to be scammed or used as a walking ATM (Ghost, Newlife?). Filipinos are extremely proud people and wouldn't even want to be seen in the company of a foreigner unless said foreigner is established in their community (by a combination of social or professional status), which reinforces the notion that only those who are at the fringes of society will resort to mingling with foreigners.
I know this is a fact of life, and I know many men will happily dive into that pool. Personally, the idea that a young and cute yet simple-minded and uneducated girl will want to hook up with me so I can provide for her and her extended family in exchange for sex is a massive turn-off. Isn't one of the biggest excitements for a man to know that a woman does have options, and he is her choice (among many)?
Larry Elterman's book is quite dated so a significant portion of the material is no longer fully accurate. But he did do a great job of boiling down a place as chaotic and diverse as the Philippines distilling into lot of practically useful information for the western male visitor or expat. It still might be worth reading for someone like yourself who has not spent much time in-country or Newlife, who while there, was afraid to leave his narrow comfort zone.
But for many Westerners, who only see life through the lens of money and the things it can buy, the poor are the thieving wretches that Scrooge described. Such people will never find a "good Filipina" since they are barely open to even the possibility of such a person's existence.
The common argument that crime(dishonesty) is caused by poverty is a kind of slander on the poor. - H. L. Mencken
Once he was happy I was a respectable person with what, at least in his eyes, was a reasonable social status and reputation, he opened up himself, his family and his social circle to me. I then went on to meet many of his peers and that, in turn, shaped my perception of Filipino society.
