Join John Adams, world renowned Intl Matchmaker, Monday nights 8:30 EST for Live Webcasts!
And check out Five Reasons why you should attend a FREE AFA Seminar! See locations and dates here.
View Active Topics View Your Posts Latest 100 Topics FAQ Topics Mobile Friendly Theme
Discuss culture, living, traveling, relocating, dating or anything related to the Asian countries - China, The Philippines, Thailand, etc.
I checked out rooseh site. It's like half of it is full of mongers but using PUA to get girls overseas. If regular women (overseas and also statewise) knew about Rooseh site they would think all men are pigs.
It's like I have mix feeling about that site. I feel compassionate to guys who struggle in the dating world here in USA and feel that girls overseas are friendly. So I understand if they want to meet a girl overseas but the guys in roosh are making a goal to sleep with any and all girls. It's like the reason why they can;'t score here in the USA is that American women are harder to get but overseas women are easier and therefore they want to exploit the situation.
It's kind of like they are pigs here in the states and American women can sense that but they go overseas using PUA but in the long run this ruins overseas girls too. For legit guys who are looking for something real.
At the same time I think half the stuff they say on that site I can take for a grain a salt.
That is true, Roosh has younger guys going overseas to monger.. But they are temps. They're only overseas for a very short amount of time: few months at most. Highly doubt they could do that much "corrupting" in a that short amount of time.
Plus, at least they took the initiative to travel. The vast majority of dudes can't even cold approach. Kicker is, most dudes who cold approach are unattractive in one way or another: hence they resort to cold approach and "game".
The reason why (for me at least) why I post here, is because the dudes are "lifer" abroaders and have more life experience (probably older Middle Aged men) than some punk ass 23 year old.
Tbh, I think Roosh v posters are fags.. Because they actually believe in game.
Game works, in the sense that pesky salesmen who won't take no for an answer can get people to buy things they wouldn't otherwise. I once sold fruitcakes to raise money for my boy scout troop. I was working on a sales merit badge at the time and the counselor (or whatever they call the adults) gave me a pep talk about how everything in life was sales. I became super motivated and ended up selling more fruitcakes than the whole rest of the troop combined. Classic foot-in-the-door type sales, as in literally stick my foot in the door to keep people from shutting in my face unless they physically pushed me back. Then I'd play the victim, maybe fake some tears, make puppy dog faces at bored middle-aged housewives and tell them how pretty they were (I was like 12 at the time), practically force-feed them my fruitcakes sample--anything and everything to sell fruitcakes. That pep talk had given me a rhinocerous thick skin so that no amount of rejection could touch me, nor being laughed at by boys my age for walking around in my boy scout uniform selling fruit cakes of all things, nor being threatened with violence if I didn't leave people's premises immediately, etc.
That's basically what "game" is all about, acting like a pesky salesman. Looking back, what I did was funny in a way but also vaguely shameful, and similarly for the times in my life when I gamed girls into having sex when they didn't want it. The lasting impression is one of shame. I see nothing wrong with being aggressive when you really believe in a cause, but that wasn't the case with those fruit cakes, nor is it the case with getting some girl to have sex with me when deep down she doesn't want to. Gaming a woman into having sex is the same as mongering except you don't pay cash (you do pay time and energy and most importantly dignity). The poor man's road to bad sex, versus mongering which is the rich man's way to bad sex.
If you want good sex, the woman has to want it too, and she has to want it because of who you really are, not because of some fakery. Thus you have to be honest for the sex to be really good, and honesty is the opposite of game.
The problem with mongering is not the money itself. Money (at least if you are honest about how much you have) is just another aspect of yourself that comes and goes, same as a good looking body (which can be as easily lost as money, and also gained like money through hard work at the gym), or intelligence (which can also be lost and gained), nice clothes (ditto), etc. For there to be real desire, which is the prerequisite for good sex, whatever it is that makes the man attractive has be seen as inseparable from the man, so that the woman whose real desire is for money, or good looking bodies, or intelligence, or sense of humor, transfers that desire to the man who possesses these things. When you promise money explicitly, as in mongering, it's the same as if you took all your nice clothes and put them on one side of the room and then dressed in rags and asked the woman to choose, or took all your intelligence and gave that to a machine and then became stupid yourself and asked the woman to choose you or the machine. The woman now can separate the thing she really desires from the man who previously possessed this thing, so she no longer desires the man as an extension of that desire for this other thing. (If I make women seem superficial, remember we men also desire women for superfical things: their looks, their personality, their brains, their nice clothes and jewelry, their money. We also desire animals for superficial things. How many people would love a mangy cat that peed on the floor and bit you when you tried to pet it?)
The problem in the rich countries, of course, is that there is a severe shortage of attractive women who want sex compared to the number of men who want sex. Non-elite men are simply not desirable and no amount of faking or gaming is going to overcome this fact in the long run. Going to a poor country works, without mongering and without gaming, because being American is a walking advertisement for being rich, without making explicit promises, so the woman's desire for money and everything else associated with Americanness transfers naturally to desire for the man. This is real desire and it can thus form the basis for good sex. However, if a man marries a woman from a poor country and brings her back to the United States, she will soon see that what made him attractive to her back in the poor country is dime-a-dozen here in the United States, and so her desire will fade.
Thats how I felt with milf girl scammer in philippines. Everything was so forced and awkward. Thats why I had to dump her. She was hot too so sad
Most of them are always unhappy and are not content with what they have....That's just plays into Roosh's hand to sell his dollar 6 ebooks....Roosh doesn't allow a doorway to happiness but just being a pig for ever......He is way too singular with his short term goals.
The biggest joke is ....Majority of them claim to be red pill and yet believe Paris shooting was done by some Muslims, believe in Sandy Hook Hoax, have faith in stock market.....some just try way too hard to get laid to be even called a human being.
Many of the members, New Year Resolution is to get laid with as many women as possible or approach 5-6 women a day.... .....That's their goal for this year... ...How sad and low life is that ....That's the kind of human's that troll there...whose only goal in life is to get laid ...as they say...FLAG's.....and these are guys from so called first world countries....lol....
RV forum is the pit for toxic wasteland of entire human race....These PUA BS can only come from the rotten minds of western civilization. The sad thing is with PUA we all loose in the end....I believe...Its even below P4P...
If we look at bigger picture...I don't blame Roosh or PUAs even...Its the sad state of western civilization that breeds PUA thinking itself. I don't think, there is anything that can come from western civilization that can have humanities best interest in mind.
As always good stuff lasttry. My favourite poster at HA. Cool, rationale, unbiased analyses.
If you could sell things like that, you probably have some sort of innate acting, persuading.. Whatever you call it (small or big).
For myself, If I could act or persuade people into buying from me or even making girls sex me (or any other things for personal gain) Id do it all the time. If that's immoral or unethical.. At this point I don't care. By nurture I'm a very honest and sincere person and it's very transparent. It actually makes me angry im like this (but maybe it'll actually be a positive in the East) because I get shitted on by a lot of people, unprovoked.
I don't think game can be faked if it's already not apart of you in some shape or form. Not sure, doesn't serve me any good.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Most of the Rooshv forum members don't consider themselves PUAs, they simply consider themselves players. The forum preaches lifestyle game - building the best lifestyle for yourself as a man, women are just icing on the cake. I think by PUAs, you meant the RSD forum.
semantics. rooshers are just mongers and nothing more.
At least they are good at mongering, unlike Winston.
Disagree...Winston is monger but a different type...Winston I think goes to the p4p scene and I think he also tires to get regular girls too.. A monger in my opinion is a guy who wants sex from many women regardless in what methods he uses. Guys that uses p4p in my opinion are the most honest. They know what they want and go straight forward.
Guys that uses PUA have to lead the girl but sometimes it;s misleading the girl into a so called relationship to get sex out of it. That's how girls that get mongered get ruin because the girl learns to mistrust men and make it harder for a legit guy . On top of that if a girl was played she herself becomes experience and becomes better at playing. In the long run overseas girls become more and more westernize ....
On Roosh forum they monger using PUA. I don't agree with the lifestyle description...very few men can be truly alpha and have a harem to himself. Roosh couldn't do it in the states so traveled abroad and exploit the situation where women still think old fashion...OLd fashion women are MUCH easier to pick up...but if you played them..what happens next is you create a player out of the woman. That's what I think happened to the Ukraine...where at one point it was a gold mine but word got out and now you hear stories that Ukraine women are good at playing..This is happening in South Korea and other parts of world.
To be truly alpha means you can get girls everywhere including the USA . Very few guys can do that. leonardo dicaprio is alpha...for example...but very few men can get to this stage. Guys who can't which is many guys decides to go overseas and use their race or their nationality as an advantage to get girls (ex :white guys in Asia) but you know how many white guys I seen in Asia showing up thinking ..that their whiteness is enough to land a hot asian girl? I seen it in the clubs but they look disappointed thinking how come their not this rock star. It was maybe 15 years ago where if you were white that was enough ..NOT today(at least in the develop Asian countries) ..why? Asian girls wise up to the game..and being white or American is not enough..only the lower quality girls might go for it but not the higher ones. This also applies to Asian American guys....girls overseas can sense if your loser .
Roosh to me is walking contradiction...he complains that western women are not traditional but yet he choose to live a monger lifestyle which is the most nontraditional lifestyle there is.
Even though many of us complain about American women ...guys who choose to go overseas do it as a path of least resistance .. I understand I DID IT TOO. Saying that I still meet guys who are able to land local American girl friends..or marry local girls...some of them are happy. Very few guys I met in my life were able to consistently get girls (American or any type) but I knew one guy.
He was spanish back ground..not too tall but well built. Confident and had a good sense of humor. It didn't hurt that he kind of look like vin diesel. This guy had f**k buddies all attrative looking white girls on his phone. I don't know how he did it but very few guys have IT. I know with pua they try to break down natural game..into some sort of science..but it's kind of like talent...you either have it or you don't.
PUA if use by regular guys just better your chance because you APPROACH so much more...it's like numbers game..where as guy who actually has the talent has to approach LESS in order to get the same result.
Roosh cannot teach talent...no pua can. I'm all for guys trying to improve themselves or even approaching girls...but LIFESTYLE...I disagree with that ..guys on Roosh are just focus on getting laid..not about improving their whole lifestyle. Mongers is all about sex nothing more not about lifestyle.
For example the spanish guy I know who is natural with girls doesn't post on forums or ever think about going over seas. Do you know what he worries about? He worries about his business.
Well, you can't really emulate or learn much from your Hispanic friend: he sounds like he was born with all his qualities, from his physical (obviously) to all his inner and intangible attributes.
I have a friend I use to wing with: he has a Hispanic buddy who is a natural. Has a hot white girlfriend (fitness type) funny, great looking smile, charm, liked by everybody etc etc.
You can't learn anything from these guys, in fact you can't learn anything from anybody. It's either you have it or you don't, or you put in the effort.
Or you go overseas. You can keep pressing forward in the West with a ton of effort and resistance (and little results), or you can go overseas. I winged with a guy (most of the dudes I winged with were in PUA for a reason , including myself) who was pretty good. Way more than the average dude but he believes in self improvement and higher consciousness etc. I think it's more about improving himself than about the girls, it seems. I'm tired though. I'm done with self improvement. I'm done putting in effort. I'm going home to Asia where I can live the simple life, and eventually grow old with my wife and kids, without the rat race.
I want the good life, f**k being cool and validation. And f**k all the good feelings you get from your so called friends. HA is about the good life, hence happier abroad.
Roosh is about lays and game. Probably a lot of validation in there too. I don't care, but roosh v posters are fags. Most of them, anyway.
Yeah I never understood going over seas just to bang women, seems pretty pathetic to me. If you're that desperate to get sex just go on back page plenty of sexy Asian, Russian, Brazilian escorts. Hell its really not hard at all to get laid in the US, the problem is finding wife material. I agree with your post and I can't stand them.