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Ethan_sg's Deep Insights on China vs Western Cultures/Women

Postby Winston » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:20 pm

Ethan_sg, my Singaporean freethinker friend who lives in China, has many great rants and deep philosophical observations about the refreshing differences between mainland Chinese women and western feminism, and between China's social harmony vs western individualism and independence. I've archived many of them on WeChat. So i thought i would post some of them here. Here they are.

Ethan_sg:

"One common trait about westernized women that I've noticed is that they tend to have many platonic male friends and a wide but shallow social circle. These are values encouraged by the feminist careerist system.

Traditional women don't have many or often not even any platonic male friends because they don't fall for the socialist propaganda that the two genders are one and the same. They understand that gender distinction was meant to facilitate gender polarity.

Nature doesn't create two things differently so that they can be treated as one and exactly the same. It creates two things differently so that they can complement each other. Platonic friendships between the genders is a concept coined and encourage by liberal propaganda.

One good way to determine a woman's level of westernization is to look at how many platonic male friends she has. Traditional Chinese women usually draw a line, and don't make an effort to get close to a guy unless they are romantically interested or considering him for marriage. In contrast, westernized women believe that a woman should be just as capable as developing a pure and genuine friendship with a male as a male would with another male.

One common trait you will see in westernized females is that they will have a wide social circle, composed of both males and females, with many platonic male friends, ignoring and oblivious to the inevitable sexual dynamic in friendships, between the genders - the fact that makes don't usually befriend or get close to a female unless they hope to bed her one day.

Whereas in singapore I would be considered old fashioned, rigid and overly controlling if I stopped my girlfriend from going out with another male (even though he is only a 'platonic friend) , in China, high quality traditional girls consider it a given that when they are attached to you, they will not go out alone with any other guy , whatever the pretext or excuse may be.

This is yet another huge difference I've seen between dating in the the feminist west and non-westernized parts of the East.

I think this is one of the most important differences I've noticed about china, that girls here, at least the non-westernized ones , do not quite grasp the concept of platonic friendships with the opposite sex, and I consider this to be a huge positive against cultural Marxist propaganda."
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Re: Feminism vs. China: Refreshing Differences by Ethan_sg

Postby Winston » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:25 pm

Winston:

But chinese girls do use the term "lets make friends" with guys too right?

Ethan_sg:

Yeah but Chinese girls usually make friends with the intention of considering the guy for dating. "Peng you" has a different connotation in Chinese culture. It doesn't mean that the guy is friendzoned. In fact it often means the guy has a chance.

I do think it's possible even for so called friends between the 2 genders to eventually become be a couple. In fact that's often what happens. The reason why I oppose platonic friendships between the genders is not so much that friendships between the genders can't exist but that it basically makes the girl potentially slutty, and gives the long line of guys who wanna do her a chance to. It makes girls more prone to hypergamy, infidelity and treasure and respect their man less. Also, it's a symptom of feminism.

Women need to be restrained in the natural order of things otherwise they will abuse their sexual power and use it to control men.
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Re: Feminism vs. China: Refreshing Differences by Ethan_sg

Postby Johnny1975 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:39 pm

This is why I always feel relaxed about being friends with filipinas. If I was over there and a girl said let's be friends, it wouldn't bother me because it either means let's really be genuine friends (in which case, fair enough), or let's see how it goes. I doubt if they even have any concept of a friendzone (which is of course a misnomer). I think that the west's ideas about these things are not the correct, normal, natural way. I gave up looking at the west as the measure of what's normal quite a long time ago.
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Re: Feminism vs. China: Refreshing Differences by Ethan_sg

Postby Winston » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:40 pm

More rants, observations and insights by Ethan_sg that i favorited in my Wechat group chats last year:

"Don't you notice how in the chat group Chinese girls are so nice not just to us but also to each other? They often praise each other or readily adopt a sisterly attitude towards each other . If this was an American chat group the girls would be constantly making snide, bitchy remarks, playing politics and mind games, full of sarcasm and cynicism, and you'll probably see a few catfights. While the guys would all be trying to one-up each other to get the attention of the girls. The contrasts are sociological evidences of the vast differences between a healthy and sick society."

"Also, if China is as broken a society as falcon makes it out to be why is the national divorce rate only 20%, whereas it is 53% in America and over 60% in many Western European countries? Divorce is technically illegal in the Philippines but I've read about many dysfunctional marriages and marriage annulments. Sometimes when people glorify the Philippines they fail to take into consideration that it is also the most westernized country in Southeast Asia after Singapore, and may possess a higher level of hedonism more liberal attitudes towards sex. This may not always translate to loyal traditional women who will provide stable marriages in the long run."

"Yohan it's funny how despite having a One-Child policy and Gender Imbalance, China still has a higher birth rate and marriage rate than Japan huh? Imagine that despite gender imbalances and it being largely illegal (with certain exceptions) to have more than 1 kid in China, China is still managing to pull off a higher marriage and birth RATE (note we're talking about rates here so please don't go harping on about China having a larger population because that is irrelevant to rates) than Japan. 

What does this tell you? It tells you that the problems of modern society such as excessive consumerism, narcissism, materialism, excessive individualism and most relevantly to this point, feminism, female entitlement, excessive individualism, all problems that we Happier Abroaders leave developed countries to avoid, can have a far more pernicious effect on marriage rates and birth rates than even government intervention like the one-child policy can have. That shows you how deep the problems are for places like Hong Kong, Japan, Taiwan and Singapore. 

So I suggest you stop worrying about us men, both foreigners and locals, in mainland China The stats show that countries such as Japan have a far bigger problem with marriage and birth rates. Plus Japan's levels of social isolation, and indifference towards sex and romance is reaching epidemic portions - as evidenced by its having the highest suicide rate in the world, more than 1/3 of young males being virgins, low marriage and birth rates, a high proportion of males and females expressing no interest in pursuing romance, increasing female entitlement levels, etc. The list goes on and on.

By the way, did you know that 75% of divorces in Japan are initiated by women? See( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6495009.stm ). And this was in 2007, the figure may be even worse now. 

Also, quality is more important than quantity. In the US there is no significant gender imbalance but many of the women are so low quality both looks-wise (due to epidemic levels of obesity) and personality wise (due to female entitlement and feminism) that the pool of eligible women is so low; so low that the scarcity of quality is far more severe than any gender imbalance in China can create. Quality is far more important than quantity. Plus, in China, most women that Winston and I get to know through various means are somehow single. Practically every woman Winston has cold approached here has been single. There just seems to be so many attractive available single women in China that whatever the gender stats say we're not feeling that imbalance or any sense of scarcity."

"Agree Yuk Lai. Happiness cannot be experienced on an individual level with no social context. But overly individualistic countries don't give you that social context. Happiness is a shared and collective experience."

"Guangzhou is a city with much more soul than Shenzhen. Shenzhen is soulful compared to Singapore, but it can't compare with Guangzhou. Shenzhen is more like a place to work but Guangzhou is more like a place to live. There is probably a higher percentage of career women in Shenzhen than Guangzhou. Guangzhou tends to possess more of the softer, family oriented types. The parks in Guangzhou put those in Shenzhen to shame. Despite being a more traditional city than Shenzhen, Guangzhou appears to be more international than Shenzhen. Some parts of Shenzhen are designed in an overly pragmatic and utilitarian fashion. While Shenzhen is the more efficiently designed of the 2 and almost certainly has a better subway system , Guangzhou possesses a greater sense of communality and soul. Shenzhen tends to strike me as a place designed pragmatically for Chinese to work , a place that merely serves as a means to an end. Guangzhou feels more like a place to live, an end in itself. If you like efficiency, Shenzhen is probably the number one city for that in China. But Guangzhou has more soul. The pearl river which encircles much of the city center seems to be the center for communal activities such as picnics and outdoor singing, slowing down the pace of life, and soothing the people's souls."
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Re: Feminism vs. China: Refreshing Differences by Ethan_sg

Postby starchild5 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:13 am

I also think we should not put white people as representative of western civilisation as it was created by Jews. It should correctly be called as Jewish Civilisation.

WC is a trap for humanity. Whites, Blacks, Asian fall into it as we have seen, how Black Americans and Asian Americans are different than their counterparts in birth countries.

Indian Americans are totally different from Indians in India. Jewish Civilisation Headquarters are in America. 90% of all inventions, discoveries, all scientific papers were created by Jews if we really look into it. All presidents, hollywood actors, billionaires who defined America like JP morgan, Rockerfeller were Jews.

We know feminism, Gay agenda, etc are Jewish. I believe one can live in America and not go crazy and one can live in China and go crazy...All one has to do is Follow, Unfollow Jewism :lol:

Its just that White People are taking the blame for Jewish Crimes.

We should say Jewish Influenced countries more often to be closer to truth. If Jews really want they can turn chinese women into sluts and feminist in few decades because they have proven it with Asian American women.

Nothing is too difficult for Jews on Earth.

There is really nothing special about Chinese women or Filipinas in true sense because Jews have so far left them alone, hence Its unfair to blame white women because they are mere victims of Jewish Agenda. :roll: :roll:

That is why I don't have any issues with White Women or Chinese or Filipinas really because I know they are mere victims of jews and can be changed with time.
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Re: Feminism vs. China: Refreshing Differences by Ethan_sg

Postby yick » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:20 pm

The one thing about Chinese women is if they like you, they will make it plain in a subtle but understated way.

There aren't guessing games, also they are very ladylike and very feminine. They like to dress up, like pink, like cuddly toys.

The great thing is in China is the accepted roles of man and woman in behaviours.

A woman can still be feminine and a Major General in the PLA, like the wife of the current Chinese leader.
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Re: Feminism vs. China: Refreshing Differences by Ethan_sg

Postby Winston » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:58 pm

Arent Ethan_sg's observations like nuggets of gold? As you can see, he definitely has the potential to be a great blogger or writer or podcast speaker, if he wanted to.

Here are more of his all time greatest rants that i favorited in my Wechat archive:

Ethan_sg:

"Well making you feel worthless for not fitting in the mode, not conforming , or not following pop culture and hence not being "cool" is a way for the system to enforce 1. Conformity 2. More importantly, consumerism. Those who feel pressure to conform to fads and whose egos depend on it are easier to control and manipulate, and more susceptible to advertising. The pressure to conform to that which is deemed popular (what is popular is determined by those in power) makes the masses easier to control and more malleable consumers which is exactly what the capitalist elite wants. If you felt bad and your was ego was destroyed because you didn't conform to a popular fad, you're much more likely to conform to it."

"Americans are always busy trying to fit in and keep up with the joneses, hence the consumption rate is one of the highest if not the highest in the world , and the elite loves it because they can control and milk the masses for it. Susceptibility to advertising and fads is a capitalist's dream come true."

"True individualism can only be achieved when there is a basic level of harmonious inclusive collectivism within a group where every member is respected and allowed to be themselves as long as they don't break certain boundaries. Unfettered individualism with no regard whatsoever for this communality simply creates an "every man for himself mentality" and constant need to fight and prove one's self. In such a system, people aren't respected for being themselves . Instead they have to constantly fight for respect by trying to appear to be the best according to the standards set by the system , such as being the most fashionable , possessing all the latest gadgets, being the most in tune with pop culture and so on."

"Well those in power obviously know it's in their interest to encourage positive energy all the time as that makes for a more pliable and contented populace who think everything is attainable if they only "try" and that all bad things in their lives should be blamed on themselves not the system. The ideology of the positivity cult is that everything in life is under your control and whether things are good or bad are always down to you and you alone."

"In a way, the positivity cult is like hyper individualism. It ignores the need for social context, community and the importance of one's social and even socio-economic environment in determining the state of one's life, which is something that more collectivist cultures traditionally understood."

"Another thing guys especially @Wanderer and @xXSoulOfTheOutcastXx  you know there is all this clamoring by feminists for equality in the workplace in terms of income, and over the last few decades things have changed a lot, young women are now earning higher incomes than young men. But the f***ed up thing is nobody cares that over the last few decades the gap between the income of the average employee and CEO of a Fortune 500 company has gone up by like 50 times or something grotesque like that. Income inequality between the top 0.1% and the average person has gone up by unspeakable amount. The ensuing inflation has also significantly decreased purchasing power and hence the real incomes of the average earner. This is a an extremely serious problem but nobody seems interested in that, they're just interested in female equality. But yea we may have gotten equality, but it's basically an equally shit pay not enough in many cases on its own to even buy a house or start a family. And this applies to both developed countries in the West and in Asia, not just America. They got a bullet in their head and they don't even know it, and when the feminist mantra says Jump, they say "how high?""

"Well women in a state of nature want a provider and a protector, but in the context of the modern world where women can largely provide for themselves, provider means provider of luxury. The capitalists have exploited feminism to their full advantage to make women compulsive materialistic and greedy consumerists while making men obedient and pliable desperate wageslaves who have to keep towing the corporate line in order to strive to be that provider of luxury that only a few can be. Both the pliable wageslave and the compulsive consumer serve to make the capitalists richer, hence the ever increasing rich poor gap, strengthening the capitalists' stranglehold over the people. This is the picture most developed feminist countries now . @kainan ` @Wanderer @xXSoulOfTheOutcastXx"

"The lack of self importance in the attitudes of the people in China is an indication of how people see themselves as fellow human beings first and foremost , and their jobs merely as a secondary role they have to fulfill in order to make a living. In westernized and modernized countries, people morph into self important automatons behaving as if the only purpose and meaning in their lives is fulfilling their occupational requirements, their "KPIs" ( key performance indicators ) as they like to put it - it's detestable."

"@Winston and I were at a night club the other day which had a lot of female dancers and pole dancing and we saw that even the security guard and another man on uniform were having a good time smoking and chatting with the girls and taking it easy lol despite technically supposed to being the bouncers of the club. In America bouncers are kinda like cops - self important self - righteous, unapproachable, violent, with a tendency to be "white knights" - discriminate against men and protect women. The atmosphere is so much more tense. Over here even the security guy feels friendly and like someone you could have a drink with at the club lol."

"In china for instance you can see that even the policemen are all pretty laid-back approachable, and come across as just another average everyday kinda guy on the street. In America the cops are bastards, self important, violent, cold and take themselves far too seriously. They are almost inhuman."

"Well there's a simple reason why a protein-rich diet is available for more economic prices in America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand. The reason is: lower population density resulting in a higher animal livestock to human population ratio, resulting in meat being cheaper in these places, simple economics. You can get high quality protein rich meals in global Asian cities too, but they tend to cost easily at least double what they would cost in America, Europe or Australia. So that's one downside of living in Asia - but then again higher population density does contribute to many of the plus points of living in China - convenience, accessibility, very "walkable" pedestrian-friendly cities. It is common in china to find that one can literally go downstairs from where one stays and find food stalls, restaurants, fast food, supermarkets, banks, post offices, massage parlors, shopping malls, maybe even a movie theater or a park, all within walking distance without even having to commute. And everywhere you walk there is so much street life and stuff going on. It wouldn't be like this if it wasn't for the high population density."
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Re: China vs Western Feminism: Refreshing Differences - Etha

Postby Winston » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:47 pm

Ethan_sg's response to my childhood bullying:

"Wow I didn't realize how bad your childhood was @Winston . Why did they pick on you? Was it because you were Asian or was it because you were socially awkward?

One thing great about China is that the culture is too inclusive and harmonious to tolerate any bullying in school. Classmates tend to be more harmonious and united and you don't generally see people being ostracized.

Don't you think that would be a far healthier environment for a kid to grow up in rather than the shit kids have to go through in the US all the way till high school? Even in Singapore you do see bullying and cliquishness because of the western influence.

People who say the Chinese education system sucks really need to think about 1. The social environment of growing up in the US especially as a minority male and the kinda bullying, politics and cliquishness your child would have to contend with. 2. As @Monkro had astutely pointed out many times , US education is highly overrated and not all that great either. Asians tend to have this romanticized and idealized view of American education as if it would make them all critical thinkers and enlighten them all. In actuality , it merely 'enlightens' them to liberal and feminist propaganda, plus if they go to the US for education at a young age they will be at great risk of emotional and psychological torture if they don't fit in, and this abuse may have lifelong consequences on them and their self esteem.

There's nothing useful that I learned in American university that I couldn't have learned in Asian universities. This romanticized view of a western education needs to be destroyed. It's pure marketing and a myth stemming from a deplorable Anglophile superiority complex.

In a socially inclusive environment like China, I feel like I can simply relax and be myself to fit in to a group. In a socially exclusive environment like Singapore or the US, when I'm in a group I feel like I constantly have to prove myself and force myself to create a persona that's not really me in order to fit in. You have to act fake and phony and say the right things in order to be accepted. You constantly feel like you have to prove yourself. Conversation can feel more like a competition than communication. In China I feel like I can fit in by default just by relaxing and being myself. I don't have to prove anything.

Ironically individualistic cultures do not enable individuals to be themselves. In fact the opposite is true."
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Re: Feminism vs. China: Refreshing Differences by Ethan_sg

Postby MattHanson1990 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:56 am

The reason why I oppose platonic friendships between the genders is not so much that friendships between the genders can't exist but that it basically makes the girl potentially slutty, and gives the long line of guys who wanna do her a chance to. It makes girls more prone to hypergamy, infidelity and treasure and respect their man less. Also, it's a symptom of feminism.


Unfortunately, many girls here in Mexico (especially if they're from the northern part) have platonic friendships with guys, even if they're already taken. And I find it very disheartening. Mexico has been a promiscuous society for centuries. But at the same time, Mexico is too close to the U.S. of Gay that people are practicing American style dating nowadays, unless you venture into more traditional areas (most often smaller cities or rural areas) or head south of Mexico City. However, incel isn't a problem except in parts of northern Mexico. But even then it's not as bad as America because p4p is legal.

This is a BIG pet peeve I have with girls being overly extroverted. Also, I think the further you get away from the U.S., the less corrupted the girls will be, but it depends on certain factors. I'm now eyeing on Philippines or Colombia or the Dominican Republic. Mexico is way too Americanized right now that I no longer consider it part of Latin America.
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Re: Ethan_sg's Deep Insights on China vs Western Cultures/Wo

Postby Winston » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:38 am

Here are some great points from Ethan_sg (my Singaporean freethinker friend who lives in China) about why the self-improvement industry is INCOMPLETE without Happier Abroad:

"@Winston the phrase 'self help' is too broadly used. By the broadest definition, everything we do in life would be a form of 'self help' such as even eating food and drinking water , or getting enough sleep to stay healthy - life is a perpetual process of self help by that very definition. So by that very broad definition, there is nothing to be debated, because unless an individual is masochistic or suicidal, each and everything he does in life can be considered a form of 'self help'

Now there is also nothing wrong with a man striving to improve his looks, health, fitness, confidence levels, language abilities, developing interest and hobbies etc. These I suppose may also rightfully be considered forms of 'self improvements' and there is pretty much nothing wrong with them.

Now where there is a problem with self help is when it gets in the way of achieving bigger and important goals. For example when you're living in an environment as toxic as the Anglosphere, your number one priority should be to get out of it, not to try to make the best of it and then end up staying on for the rest of your life. Both moving abroad or making the best of life in the Anglosphere can be seen as ways of 'self help' or 'self improvement' - so which should you choose?

Herein lies the weakness and flaws of a term as broad and superficial as 'self help/improvement' - there is no underlying philosophy or social theory in self help which will help you decide which to choose when you are faced with the choice of moving abroad from the Anglosphere or deciding to stay and make the best of it. Self help and self improvement has no answers for that because it is not a philosophy.

And this is where happier abroad comes in along with the emphasis on concretely comparing and analyzing the deep differences in social and love life in different countries and societies. Self help alone cannot give you direction on the biggest choices in life, you need deep analysis and experience to make the best choices. In the end the problems with self help is that the concept is on the one hand too broad, and on the other hand can get in the way of seeing the bigger picture and getting you to compromise on a bad situation by making the best of it instead of taking the more drastic decision to revolutionize your life and move abroad.

Self help can be indiscriminately applied to many different things in life but in the end what men need most of all is direction. Helping one's self achieve happiness is the end goal but without direction you won't know which way to go. That's where you need philosophy and comparative sociology in order to figure out the best way forward - there are a ton of things you could do to help yourself , many of which many be mutually incompatible or even contradictory. So which direction do you take in life? You need philosophy. Not just blind self help. That would be putting the cart before the horse. Blindly and indiscriminately applied self help can lead to the overall degradation of one's life in the long run.

If you take it to the extreme, self help means enabling yourself to do literally anything in life, so as long as you believe it, but that of course has already been debunked. If you take a more conservative definition of self help, then it is merely common sense. Yes improve yourself, cultivate interests, stay healthy etc, be confident yes . But all this should go without saying and is pretty meaningless from a philosophical standpoint because it provides no underlying direction.

This diluted commonsensical form of self help is just stating the obvious and seems more like a 'feel good' marketing gimmick by those with commercial interests in the so called self improvement industry. What we need most of all is philosophy to give is direction, not just blind and indiscriminate self help over anything and everything under the sun."
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