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Postby lavezzi » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:27 am

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lavezzi wrote:Winston, I've been wondering for a while now, why do you always refer to pictures of you with bargirls as proof of your successes of dating overseas? Do you think people are idiots that can't clearly see that bargirls are paid to be in those bars and have their pictures taken with you?

What a nasty situation the whole bargirl thing is. I'm not trying to sound like some kind of anti-prostitution feminist. I've had sex with escorts in the past. But they were women from developed countries that chose whoring as opposed to shitty jobs because of the very high pay rate. Do you think these women had many other options than to have sex with slimy old men for not that much more than minimum wage?

You are living as a sex tourist in a much poorer country with your converted dollars paying girls half your age to f**k. No laws are being broken and no one is being physically forced into anything. But how do you do it without feeling like a gigantic low-life piece of shit? And why do you post pictures of the girls as if you're achieving anything other than something that is done by fat old scum-fucks?

I say this because you come of as a genuinely smart and admirable guy but then many of your actions seem to contradict this and portray you as a retarded scumbag.


Winston said it well. These girls are actually way different on so many levels than girls who do this kind of thing in the west. First off, jobs are a million times more scarce in the phils than in western countries like the US. So, most of these girls have to do it unlike in the west where the girls have real choices (i.e. Walmart, mcdonalds etc). Secondly, you will notice that most of these girls are no different than the non bar girls in terms of their demeanor, attitude, and how they treat you. But with girls in the States who do this, it's immediately obvious they have issues and you can clearly sense the difference between her and the non adult entertainment girls. Also, with AC bargirls, there is high turn over such that many of these girls only do it for short periods of time, just long enough to get a little extra cash to meet a family emergency or something critical like that. American girls have options in such situations like many free public healthcare, food stamps, and many other assistance services that don't exist over there. So all these differences means you can meet AC bargirls and they are likely to be as normal in every way as non bar girls except for those bar girls who have been working in the biz many many years. Whereas in the US, this is not at all the case! The problem is that we are inferring our western values on a different cultural system where things are 100% different and if im not mistaken (winston or someone else can back me up on this), I dont sense that bar girl work is as looked down upon as much as it would be here in the states due to economic necessity. And I can honestly say that these bar girls are BY FAR more sweet, humble, kind, and considerate and 1000 times less materialistic than the average American girl.

If you can get over the "stigma" of what they do, you can find a wonderful normal human being with the same Desires and dreams as the next girl. Some people dehumanize these girls. But as Winston says, they are Human beings like any other girl. They are just forced to make choices in life that us privileged westerners can't ever fathom. So don't judge so easily. If your 2 yr old son or daughter or an entire family suffering or starving or needs medical attention, well, you do what you gotta do. In those situations, you're not going to sit there and contemplate the morality of it.

That being said, I agree with the point that if all we show are mostly bar girls, it's not going to do whole lot to sway and convince guys with the idea that foreign woman are easy to meet. But Winston has tons of non bar girl photos on his main site do all us ok there. It's only in these forums he is posting a lot of bar girls, and guys who read the forums need to separate the website's main material with the forums when it comes to selling our message. Guys gotta understand that Winston has been living in AC so that's mostly what he is going to have options with.


If you read my post again you'll notice I was not criticizing the bar girls one bit. I understand how they have no real choice in the matter. And you're right, it is a good thing for both parties, especially for the girl's whose families are in need of emergency money. However, this is Happier Abroad: Community of Global Daters, Expats, and Freethinkers; not Happier Abroad: Community of Global Daters, Whore Mongers etc. And the fact of the matter is, at least 50% of tourists that travel to the Philippines do so primarily for the purpose of prostitution. This is not good for us legit guys trying to find one woman, as it damages the reputation of foreigners and paints us all as being sex tourists. Just look at what happened with Thailand, where women are now afraid to be seen with a foreigner in case of being mistaken for a prostitute. So sex tourists are the opposition to our cause. And as this is a global 'dating' site, not a global 'mongering' site, I think that gives me leeway to be overly critical and judgmental of the mongers, just as one has leeway to be so of females on such a male oriented site as this.
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Postby Winston » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:02 pm

lavezzi,
I see. Well keep in mind that many Filipina bar girls treat the barfine like a REAL DATE, not all business like white sex workers/escorts do. Based on that, you could call it a "date" still. I have certainly been treated like a date by several bar girls. Some had genuine feelings for me. I can tell the difference between real affection and empty words with no feelings. It's very obvious. You forgot to take that into account.
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Postby lavezzi » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:01 pm

Winston wrote:lavezzi,
I see. Well keep in mind that many Filipina bar girls treat the barfine like a REAL DATE, not all business like white sex workers/escorts do. Based on that, you could call it a "date" still. I have certainly been treated like a date by several bar girls. Some had genuine feelings for me. I can tell the difference between real affection and empty words with no feelings. It's very obvious. You forgot to take that into account.


I recall you once saying how dealing with females clouds your judgement. Don't you think this could be the case with what you're proclaiming here? Do you really think any girl would have genuine feelings for someone who is paying them for sex? I suppose things could just work so differently in the Philippines that those who haven't been there couldn't possibly understand. But any outside source will tell you straight away that it's their job and they're obviously hoping for tips. I felt that way too once when I got an eastern European escort, but at the end of the day I knew it was more out of hope than reasoning.
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Postby polya » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:54 pm

These girls are sweet - look at their sweet smiles and friendly body language - contrast with AW's bitchey-angry looks and the body language of Jodie Foster in "the brave one" - (about to go on a shooting rampage) or some air-head valley girl expression. The difference is there for all men to see (who aren't blind & aren't living in lala-land).
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Postby Rock » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:55 am

lavezzi wrote:
Winston wrote:lavezzi,
I see. Well keep in mind that many Filipina bar girls treat the barfine like a REAL DATE, not all business like white sex workers/escorts do. Based on that, you could call it a "date" still. I have certainly been treated like a date by several bar girls. Some had genuine feelings for me. I can tell the difference between real affection and empty words with no feelings. It's very obvious. You forgot to take that into account.


I recall you once saying how dealing with females clouds your judgement. Don't you think this could be the case with what you're proclaiming here? Do you really think any girl would have genuine feelings for someone who is paying them for sex? I suppose things could just work so differently in the Philippines that those who haven't been there couldn't possibly understand. But any outside source will tell you straight away that it's their job and they're obviously hoping for tips. I felt that way too once when I got an eastern European escort, but at the end of the day I knew it was more out of hope than reasoning.


I believe PI working girls in Angeles are generally very different from the garden variety EE/Russian escorts you find in Western Europe. Some are picky about who they go with. Others don't go out at all except for bar hopping. And its not uncommon for them to pair-up with a customer, leave the biz, and become a serious gf or wife. I believe some of them do have genuine feelings for the guys they get involved with even though the relationship started as P4P. I'm guessing the odds of a P4P girl transforming into a faithful partner are better in PI than Thailand because Fillipinas seem to me to tend more towards monogamy than Issan Thai girls. Anyway, its best that you don't judge too much without visiting and experiencing it some.
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Postby Winston » Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:07 am

lavezzi wrote:
Winston wrote:lavezzi,
I see. Well keep in mind that many Filipina bar girls treat the barfine like a REAL DATE, not all business like white sex workers/escorts do. Based on that, you could call it a "date" still. I have certainly been treated like a date by several bar girls. Some had genuine feelings for me. I can tell the difference between real affection and empty words with no feelings. It's very obvious. You forgot to take that into account.


I recall you once saying how dealing with females clouds your judgement. Don't you think this could be the case with what you're proclaiming here? Do you really think any girl would have genuine feelings for someone who is paying them for sex? I suppose things could just work so differently in the Philippines that those who haven't been there couldn't possibly understand. But any outside source will tell you straight away that it's their job and they're obviously hoping for tips. I felt that way too once when I got an eastern European escort, but at the end of the day I knew it was more out of hope than reasoning.


What Rock said above is true. I concur with it. Yes females do cloud my judgment. But a man can also instinctively feel the difference between fake and real affection. Yes you do have to experience it to understand. The outside sources you refer to that say that it's all an act for money are not sources that have been to Angeles City and experienced it. The sources that have experienced it, such as the Angeles City forums on WorldSexGuide or InternationalSexGuide, etc. will tell you this:

"It's not true love but it's not all business either. It's something in the middle."

Oh and yes there is a big difference between white escorts and Filipina bar girls. I've had white whores in Russia and Poland, and they were all business, cold and unemotional. The difference is huge. I know from personal experience. Some brothel workers in Russia and Poland even looked at me with disgust and refused me.

These Filipinas are needy, immature and desperate, so why wouldn't they give some genuine affection too? Think about it.

Also, the fact that they DO NOT treat all customers the same, tells you a lot. Why would they have preferences if they were all robots and it was all an act?

Meditate on that.
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Postby zzzz » Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:03 pm

Rock wrote:Some are picky about who they go with. Others don't go out at all except for bar hopping. And its not uncommon for them to pair-up with a customer, leave the biz, and become a serious gf or wife. I believe some of them do have genuine feelings for the guys they get involved with even though the relationship started as P4P. Anyway, its best that you don't judge too much without visiting and experiencing it some.


The bar hopping only thing usually means they don't like you enough, very few except cherry girls don't actually go all the way. If they do go with you even bar hopping only there is still a chance they will hook up with you even if the agreement was no such thing. It has happened to me before. I know of some of guys married to ex-bar girls now after I lived in Angeles for a while. There are probably lots since couples who meet that way typically put it behind them and cut ties to the scene. Girls often don't work long stretches at a time. They will work 6 months then disappear. Maybe they get a boyfriend then come back in a year after it didn't work out. Lots of girls don't quite understand how the bars work until they start then they typically quit soon after.

Winston wrote:These Filipinas are needy, immature and desperate, so why wouldn't they give some genuine affection too? Think about it.

Also, the fact that they DO NOT treat all customers the same, tells you a lot. Why would they have preferences if they were all robots and it was all an act?


Many bar girls have never had serious relationships with men and quite a few start as cherry girls. It does make sense for them to fall for their customers since often those are the only men they have spent a lot of time with. All the girls have their various preferences but I do believe young white guys who speak English has the biggest edge. Speaking Tagalog is actually a disadvantage because they all assume you know too much and are a butterfly, etc. They do treat customers differently. I know we like to say we have a much better chance with girls there, and it's true (an 80 year old can wife up a 20 year old there!) but the girls only really go crazy for the young guys or the guys known to throw money around like crazy. They can also tell if you are new to this type of thing or an old hand at it. When I first visited Angeles I would always have a big stupid grin on my face and have girls jump all over me in the bars (plus people would always yell cherry boy). The second time I went that barely happened because I'd been there done that and my attitude (no more big stupid grin) reflected that.
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Postby Rock » Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:30 pm

zzzz wrote:...but I do believe young white guys who speak English has the biggest edge. Speaking Tagalog is actually a disadvantage because they all assume you know too much and are a butterfly, etc. They do treat customers differently. I know we like to say we have a much better chance with girls there, and it's true (an 80 year old can wife up a 20 year old there!) but the girls only really go crazy for the young guys or the guys known to throw money around like crazy.


1. Lad does not meet any of those criterion. He doesn't even really look white (more like a middle easterner IMO) yet he seem to be happy with the amount of attention and action he is able to get from young Filipnas. He has claimed that his Tagalog has helped him a lot. Don't know what his opinion of it is as it relates directly to Angeles City bar girls. But he does spend a lot of time there. He also seems to think he can blend in and be considered a local. I don't buy that at all. When I see him walking amongst the people, he sticks out like a sore thumb. In Argentina or various other Latin countries with proper language skills? He could probably pull it off, especially since he is not gringo white. In PI? No way! He's just as much a foreigner there as I am in Taiwan.

2. Young guys are liked everywhere, especially by young girls. But I don't think the white thing really matters much. If you look good (as any race) and can communicate with them (speak decent English, Tagalog, or their particular dialect), I think there gonna warm up to you really fast if they don't go crazy about you from the start.
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Postby zzzz » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:30 am

Anyone with money does great in Angeles and the Philippines (but there are various levels of great) and yes, I was talking specifically about bar girls. I have a Filipino friend who is quite wealthy and visits the bars. He speaks Tagalog but will go out of his way to pretend not to know it in the bars. Asian guys are sometimes assumed to be Filipino and not given as much attention. Bar girls do not like guys who know too much, because it usually means they are butterflies and cheap. Both are bad; it means less money for them and also they will likely not settle down with a girlfriend.

Filipina's do value skin color somewhat, many that are darker see themselves as ugly. Some bar girls seem to have things against black guys, Arabs or Indians. Arabs are probably the most hated by a long shot however. I only bring up skin tone because I've bar hopped a lot with various people and you'd have to be crazy not to see white guys are their preferred target after a while. I've bar hopped with Indian Americans, Hawaiians, Asian Americans, African Americans, etc and knowing quite a few bar girls well there is a pattern. If you are Asian they will ask if you are Filipino out right often enough. If you are an Indian but live in the Western countries you almost always tell them that because it gets you more appeal. Light skin is usually status in the Philippines and preferred. There is a reason you see stupid things like whole body bleaching for whiter skin and many products claiming to whiten skin there.
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Postby Winston » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:25 am

I would say that the bar girls like both white guys and light skinned Asian guys. Koreans do well there too. Bar girls think I'm Korean when they see me.

Some bar girls prefer Asians too. But then again, they tell you what you want to hear. They make eye contact with anyone who looks at them, so they always look back at me and react when I look at them and wink or flirt.

They also like slanted Chinese type eyes, they say. They always say that for some reason. They also like innocent looking faces like mine. It makes them more comfortable.

They aren't that picky unless you are huge or grotesque.
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Postby lavezzi » Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:55 am

A Filipina on dateinasia.com messaged me and I thought I recognized her from this thread!


Do you guys think this girl:

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Is the same as this girl?:

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Postby Repatriate » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:23 am

The girl in the dateinasia pic looks like she has a tiny mole under her right eye and a thinner face. A lot of SE Asian girls have similar facial features. She has a very typical look so i'd say it's probably not the same girl but who knows.
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Postby Banano » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:29 pm

can somebody answer what is with peace sign that all asians always throw when taking picture?Who started it and when?

I see it all the time, its looks retarded, only hippies do it in anglosphere
it is irritating,ALL asians are guilty of this, its like some kind of cult or sect...
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Postby lavezzi » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:11 am

Winston, what do you think?
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Postby Rock » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:20 am

Eyebrows look very different. The only way she could have gone from your photo to Winston's is if she tweezered most of them away.

BTW, that's not a peace sign, its a victory sign.
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