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World Traveler--So Why Did You Leave Ukraine??

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World Traveler--So Why Did You Leave Ukraine??

Postby Jester » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:33 am

So I read what you had to say on this thread
http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/view ... 447#100447


WorldTraveler wrote:....I'm trying to leave the USA for good. Sold my house a year ago and am selling all my things that I don't need, which is just about everything. What are some good websites to look on to find a job outside of the USA. My first choice would be Asia, followed by FSU, then I guess middle East next. I don't speak Spanish, but would go there if they'd hire me without any Spanish. I really don't want to take another job in the USA. Please help!!!!!


Then I followed the link in your signature and found this entry in your blog

http://partytravelsexlove.com/2012/09/2 ... n-ukraine/

including this luscious video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Csy4lhryf4

which I often hear played at Armo clubs and parties here in Glendale California... Never paid attention to the language - we play Russian pop, Armenian old and new, Arabic pop, Farsi dance, French, Spanish... So I never realized this was Ukrainian -- and I ***CERTAINLY*** never knew about this video with these LUSCIOUS girls!

So I am just wondering -- WHY IN HELL DID YOU LEAVE UKRAINE ???????????
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Postby Jester » Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:11 am

BTW I am not trying to be an asshole here. Your blog includes some great insightful stuff like this

http://partytravelsexlove.com/2012/10/1 ... id-in-usa/

and this

http://partytravelsexlove.com/2012/09/2 ... /#more-130

I just want the low-down on the Ukraine!!!!
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Re: World Traveler -- So Why Did You Leave Ukraine??

Postby WorldTraveler » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:34 am

Jester wrote:So I read what you had to say on this thread
http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/view ... 447#100447


WorldTraveler wrote:....I'm trying to leave the USA for good. Sold my house a year ago and am selling all my things that I don't need, which is just about everything. What are some good websites to look on to find a job outside of the USA. My first choice would be Asia, followed by FSU, then I guess middle East next. I don't speak Spanish, but would go there if they'd hire me without any Spanish. I really don't want to take another job in the USA. Please help!!!!!


Then I followed the link in your signature and found this entry in your blog

http://partytravelsexlove.com/2012/09/2 ... n-ukraine/

including this luscious video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Csy4lhryf4

which I often hear played at Armo clubs and parties here in Glendale California... Never paid attention to the language - we play Russian pop, Armenian old and new, Arabic pop, Farsi dance, French, Spanish... So I never realized this was Ukrainian -- and I ***CERTAINLY*** never knew about this video with these LUSCIOUS girls!

So I am just wondering -- WHY IN HELL DID YOU LEAVE UKRAINE ???????????


I think the group is Russian. The girl with the red hair is Anna Semenovich who was a famous Russian figure skater. She keeps getting larger and larger breasts since retiring from figure skating. She has a new video out w/ Arash. I’m not sure how well she can really sing but w/ breasts like that, it doesn’t matter too much.
Arash feat. Anna Semenovich-Na Morya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvHG90TL ... re=related

Here is the short answer here. But why don't you post the same question in the comments of "How I Live My Life in the Ukraine" and I'll give you the long answer there. My life in the Ukraine deserves a book length treatment.

I left because I still had a life in the USA that I had to go back to. I needed to take care of a lot of things like sell my house, etc. I also went to SE Asia after that and met a girl there that I dated seriously for many years, but now we are split up. So I'm free now!

I would say neither girls in Ukraine or SE Asia are the sweet innocent angels the marriage sites would like you to believe. I'd say they are some of the most dangerous women in the world!
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Re: World Traveler -- So Why Did You Leave Ukraine??

Postby Teal Lantern » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:58 pm

WorldTraveler wrote:I would say neither girls in Ukraine or SE Asia are the sweet innocent angels the marriage sites would like you to believe. I'd say they are some of the most dangerous women in the world!


Definitely need to hear more about this. :!:
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Postby Jester » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:17 pm

Winston, not sure what thread World Traveler is referring to. Is there a way you can graft this thread onto the one he is talking about?
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Postby WorldTraveler » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:35 pm

Jester wrote:Winston, not sure what thread World Traveler is referring to. Is there a way you can graft this thread onto the one he is talking about?


I will answer it as a blogpost on www.PartyTravelSexLove.com.
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Postby Jester » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:52 am

WorldTraveler wrote:I will answer it as a blogpost on www.PartyTravelSexLove.com.


OK - let us know when it's up.
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Postby have2fly » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:50 am

I would say neither girls in Ukraine or SE Asia are the sweet innocent angels the marriage sites would like you to believe. I'd say they are some of the most dangerous women in the world!

Duh! Are you so f***ing naive? Man, you need some medical help! You probably never figured the culture and the language. No one ever said those women were angels, but they are definitely better looking and easier to meet, easier to get laid. Hookers are much cheaper too if you like that kind of service, you can get a 9-10 hooker in Odessa for $100 bucks.

There are plenty of hardcore bitches over there and as a foreigner you are an easy catch for them. Also many women will like to use you for partying, since they like that lifestyle of clubbing and since some of them just don't believe you are serious. THEREFORE, you have to make your mind - "WHY AM I GOING ABROAD?" If you are going to party and get laid, then gold-digging bitches should be OK, they will give you sex, just buy them drinks and promise gifts, then leave. If you are going there to find a WIFE, then DON'T even go to clubs! It should be a red light if she insists on going to clubs and says that she loves clubbing and does it often. That's not a marriage material! If she smokes and has tattoos - that's trash by European standards! Just party with her, get laid and leave.

Just good old common sense.
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Postby WorldTraveler » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:03 am

I have another post up about "dating" Ukrainian women.

http://partytravelsexlove.com/2012/10/1 ... he-conner/

I have the answer to your question coming soon, but the above post goes into a lot of detail about the women.

@havetofly. I know most of these girls aren't marriage material. Just to let you know. None of the girls I seriously dated in Ukraine SMOKED. Most girls do there smoke like chimneys. Never dated a girl in Ukraine or SE Asia with a tattoo! I don't like "tramp stamps" on my women!
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Postby Jester » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:24 pm

WorldTraveler wrote:I have another post up about "dating" Ukrainian women.

http://partytravelsexlove.com/2012/10/1 ... he-conner/

I have the answer to your question coming soon, but the above post goes into a lot of detail about the women.


Thanks, great blogpost, well worth reading.

Sounds like UA girls are fine for EITHER marriage or Roosh-style pump-and-dump... but different girls for these two... and either way you have to be STRONG and know how to handle women. Not for beginners it seems.

However, I can't imagine anyone succeeding with bringing a UA bride to a generic American community. It works OK for Armenians in an Armenian community bringing in a RU/UA girl, though. They know they'll get slapped if they talk back.
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Postby WorldTraveler » Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:36 am

Jester wrote:
WorldTraveler wrote:I have another post up about "dating" Ukrainian women.

http://partytravelsexlove.com/2012/10/1 ... he-conner/

I have the answer to your question coming soon, but the above post goes into a lot of detail about the women.


Thanks, great blogpost, well worth reading.

Sounds like UA girls are fine for EITHER marriage or Roosh-style pump-and-dump... but different girls for these two... and either way you have to be STRONG and know how to handle women. Not for beginners it seems.

However, I can't imagine anyone succeeding with bringing a UA bride to a generic American community. It works OK for Armenians in an Armenian community bringing in a RU/UA girl, though. They know they'll get slapped if they talk back.

Yes, those girls will use the shit out of guys. I watched guys get engaged to girls they didn't even know because they believed the Marriage Agency propaganda that they make great wives.

Bringing a girl that cheating and lying is standard to the USA where honest is a virtue, is like throwing gasoline on a fire! They get out of control.
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Postby WorldTraveler » Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:53 am

I need to get back to some real work so I'll write a brief explanation of why I left the Ukraine. My GF and I broke up, because I caught her cheating. She wasn't happy about me because I didn't move fast enough to blindly put a ring on her finger. I still had other girls I had some action going with, so I had planned on going back in a few months to travel in the summer and maybe go to Russia. One girl wouldn't meet me. 6 months later she got married to a young Ukrainian. The girl that was my Russian teacher had kids. She could meet me in Oct. I just Emailed her last month and she is fine. Another girl I dated 7 years ago is back on AFA site after many years. Either she recently broke up w/ some one, or is just scamming.

My friend who I introduced to Winston several years earlier was in the Philippines. I decided to go to the Philippines to travel w/ him and meet Winston. Originally, I met Winston in about 2002 on the internet on "Seeking Volgograd Women". He got thrown off for posting sexy pictures. We talked a few times on the phone. So I went to Phil to see my 2 friends.

I'm am free again (no GF) so will try to go back to Ukraine and Russia in the future. I'm not sure what I'll find. I also travel for sightseeing too, not just women. It's an interesting world out there.

I would love to go to Armenia and Georgia. How would it be for an American who only speaks English to go there?
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Postby have2fly » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:16 pm

Yes, those girls will use the shit out of guys. I watched guys get engaged to girls they didn't even know because they believed the Marriage Agency propaganda that they make great wives.

Bringing a girl that cheating and lying is standard to the USA where honest is a virtue, is like throwing gasoline on a fire! They get out of control.

And yet here we go again! :) Another naive American dude who thought FSU is like Asia, where women are submissive slaves :)

Honestly, I am happy for you. You are now smarter and experienced that there is no free ride. Finding a good girl takes TIME and MONEY as everything in this world. I dated so many girls since I moved back to Ukraine, but there are only a few I would marry. Why? Precisely for the same reasons: I don't want a girl who likes me for my money or use me. By the way, NO GIRL is using me! It's actually another way around: I take girls to dinners, girls that I consider DECENT after I spent long time with them. But I DO SPEAK RUSSIAN and I understand local culture, I can point 90% of scammers from the start. Imagine that, I setup my behavior in the way that "I prefer independent women" and that I come from "American culture, where people split their bills 50/50 when they go on the date". So Ukrainian girls already have that idea that I am making an exception by paying a bill for them ;) Often they offer to pay for themselves. NO GIRL in my lifetime had used me like you describe! Maybe because I never offered that I will be paying for everything? Maybe because I was smart enough and girls valued me for my brains? Maybe because I selected proper girls for dating?

And are you an angel? You wrote that you broke up with a girl since you had a few more options? Wow. You are going to a country that still has a few old-school values left, such as "if you love her - marry her" (not always, but it is a social norm) and you are trying to play American style games? Who are you? Mr. Perfect? Celebrity? Ukraine is not some "wonderland" and it's not meant to be. People there are poor, but TV installs that "glamour is everything" into their heads. So many girls are empty-headed wanna be glamorous bitches that want to have a sugar daddy. Guess where did this sugar-daddy influence come from? Yes, good-old US of A. Once again, Americans believe they own the world and every girl abroad should blow them just because they are American :lol:

I wrote it many times here:
1. KNOW the CULTURE. Understand the language, live in the country for a long time. This is not shopping, if you are looking for a wife in a foreign country, it does take effort.
2. EVALUATE YOURSELF PROPERLY. Honestly, I am not the best looking dude out there, I DO have a belly. So I don't shoot for the stars! I also can differentiate "hot" looking girl (who could be an extreme gold-digger) from "very attractive decent girl". Do you understand a difference between "hot" and "extremely attractive"?
3. Americans like "dirty" and "slutty", it could be an outcome from conservatism installed into brains of Americans since early age due to culture of Puritanism! So every little American girl is dreaming about getting a tattoo and being dirty. American guys are the same way - you were tied by some social norms, laws, insecurities. Now you come to a foreign country and expect to WIN over your fears! Really? You have to figure it out yourself, understand who you are inside, dig deeper into your soul. LEARN how to differentiate "Dirty Hot" girls from "Clean Hot" girls, again, do you know the difference? You mentioned that you never dated a girl that smokes, how about education? The way she dresses up? Do you understand that some Ukrainian girls dress slutty and some dress sexy? American dude will not understand the difference though since NO GIRLS dress either way in USA, American girls dress ugly or dirty, but NOT SEXY.
4. ADD hysterical behavior of young girls makes its way into Ukraine, I see it. You have to understand that nowadays 20'something girls are very inadequate compared to what they were 10 years ago, when social norms of old USSR were still in place. Many girls in Ukraine are whores and I am not ashamed to say that, I know it is true, although it makes me sad. But what else do you expect in a country filled with good looking girls and low supply of men?
5. WHAT KIND OF MAN do Ukrainian WOMEN WANT? Did you ever figure it out? We all know what we want, but did anyone ask THEM? Do you understand that Ukrainian girls think that American guy will provide the same amount of cultural conversation, inspiration and tradition? When in reality average American guy has NO culture, NO tradition and NO values besides getting p***y for cheap?

Just f***ing face the truth! Ukraine is not yet Westernized, thank God for that. There are still women that look for a guy with an inner world. If you want cheap p***y dolls, then you will get scammed in Ukraine! Then Asia is your best bet. I hope I provided decent insider views here since there are very few guys on this forum digging deeper, everyone just looks at money and sex. Mistrust of American culture ruins your happiness and you can't escape it. As one old Russian saying says "You can move a girl into the city, but you will never remove a village out of her". Same goes with Americans, everywhere you go you bring that American jadedness, mistrust and greed with you.
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Postby WorldTraveler » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:56 pm

I posted a new post that will fit perfect in the Happier Abroad theme.

"American Men Are In Denial"

http://partytravelsexlove.com/2012/10/2 ... in-denial/

American Men In Denial will become a running theme and I'll present multiple post on it. I have enough about this one topic for a book! Leave your comments.
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Postby ssjparris » Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:29 pm

have2fly wrote:
Yes, those girls will use the shit out of guys. I watched guys get engaged to girls they didn't even know because they believed the Marriage Agency propaganda that they make great wives.

Bringing a girl that cheating and lying is standard to the USA where honest is a virtue, is like throwing gasoline on a fire! They get out of control.

And yet here we go again! :) Another naive American dude who thought FSU is like Asia, where women are submissive slaves :)

Honestly, I am happy for you. You are now smarter and experienced that there is no free ride. Finding a good girl takes TIME and MONEY as everything in this world. I dated so many girls since I moved back to Ukraine, but there are only a few I would marry. Why? Precisely for the same reasons: I don't want a girl who likes me for my money or use me. By the way, NO GIRL is using me! It's actually another way around: I take girls to dinners, girls that I consider DECENT after I spent long time with them. But I DO SPEAK RUSSIAN and I understand local culture, I can point 90% of scammers from the start. Imagine that, I setup my behavior in the way that "I prefer independent women" and that I come from "American culture, where people split their bills 50/50 when they go on the date". So Ukrainian girls already have that idea that I am making an exception by paying a bill for them ;) Often they offer to pay for themselves. NO GIRL in my lifetime had used me like you describe! Maybe because I never offered that I will be paying for everything? Maybe because I was smart enough and girls valued me for my brains? Maybe because I selected proper girls for dating?

And are you an angel? You wrote that you broke up with a girl since you had a few more options? Wow. You are going to a country that still has a few old-school values left, such as "if you love her - marry her" (not always, but it is a social norm) and you are trying to play American style games? Who are you? Mr. Perfect? Celebrity? Ukraine is not some "wonderland" and it's not meant to be. People there are poor, but TV installs that "glamour is everything" into their heads. So many girls are empty-headed wanna be glamorous bitches that want to have a sugar daddy. Guess where did this sugar-daddy influence come from? Yes, good-old US of A. Once again, Americans believe they own the world and every girl abroad should blow them just because they are American :lol:

I wrote it many times here:
1. KNOW the CULTURE. Understand the language, live in the country for a long time. This is not shopping, if you are looking for a wife in a foreign country, it does take effort.
2. EVALUATE YOURSELF PROPERLY. Honestly, I am not the best looking dude out there, I DO have a belly. So I don't shoot for the stars! I also can differentiate "hot" looking girl (who could be an extreme gold-digger) from "very attractive decent girl". Do you understand a difference between "hot" and "extremely attractive"?
3. Americans like "dirty" and "slutty", it could be an outcome from conservatism installed into brains of Americans since early age due to culture of Puritanism! So every little American girl is dreaming about getting a tattoo and being dirty. American guys are the same way - you were tied by some social norms, laws, insecurities. Now you come to a foreign country and expect to WIN over your fears! Really? You have to figure it out yourself, understand who you are inside, dig deeper into your soul. LEARN how to differentiate "Dirty Hot" girls from "Clean Hot" girls, again, do you know the difference? You mentioned that you never dated a girl that smokes, how about education? The way she dresses up? Do you understand that some Ukrainian girls dress slutty and some dress sexy? American dude will not understand the difference though since NO GIRLS dress either way in USA, American girls dress ugly or dirty, but NOT SEXY.
4. ADD hysterical behavior of young girls makes its way into Ukraine, I see it. You have to understand that nowadays 20'something girls are very inadequate compared to what they were 10 years ago, when social norms of old USSR were still in place. Many girls in Ukraine are whores and I am not ashamed to say that, I know it is true, although it makes me sad. But what else do you expect in a country filled with good looking girls and low supply of men?
5. WHAT KIND OF MAN do Ukrainian WOMEN WANT? Did you ever figure it out? We all know what we want, but did anyone ask THEM? Do you understand that Ukrainian girls think that American guy will provide the same amount of cultural conversation, inspiration and tradition? When in reality average American guy has NO culture, NO tradition and NO values besides getting p***y for cheap?

Just f***ing face the truth! Ukraine is not yet Westernized, thank God for that. There are still women that look for a guy with an inner world. If you want cheap p***y dolls, then you will get scammed in Ukraine! Then Asia is your best bet. I hope I provided decent insider views here since there are very few guys on this forum digging deeper, everyone just looks at money and sex. Mistrust of American culture ruins your happiness and you can't escape it. As one old Russian saying says "You can move a girl into the city, but you will never remove a village out of her". Same goes with Americans, everywhere you go you bring that American jadedness, mistrust and greed with you.



dude....we heard it over and over again from you already !!!. why do you care so much to repeat it.

pfft....ukrainians...so judgemental and critical of others all the time :roll:

grow up already dude.
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