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Bang Ukraine out now - Roosh's last travel guide!

Postby Banano » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:32 pm

http://www.rooshv.com/bang-ukraine-will ... avel-guide


Only $5 for the next 3 days.Cheap as.


I didnt buy it yet but from what I read on his forum Ukraine isnt as easy as people generaly assume,
even Roosh will admit that.

for most part HOT women will not give a f**k about you, most tourist end up with p4p type
of women and gold diggers(sounds familiar) :roll:


BTW have you noticed Rooshs hairstyle and beard, SPADE face, he must be working for illuminati :lol:


Anyone read the guide, comments?
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Postby Andrewww » Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:34 am

I think the biggest obstacle will be the language barrier. If Ukraine is anything like Romania girls will generally speak basic English but it will be very hard to flirt or to create attraction with them in English.
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The Downfall

Postby publicduende » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:07 am

Well, viva the honesty!

(from the original page)

2. I stopped caring about “crackingâ€￾ the code of a country. I’m much more interested in getting laid than being intellectually rewarded for successfully generalizing about a culture.

3. It’s too niche. How many guys in the world want to go to Ukraine in the next year but not pay for prostitutes? 500? I’m spending a lot of time creating work that just a handful of guys want.


What he's basically saying is:

1) I have grown tired of dishing out refined arguments to foil-wrap the usual bunch of stereotypes about a country and its women, and pretending to believe them for the sake of selling a few more eBooks. All I want is get laid, quick.

2) Since I want to get laid, quick, I wouldn't mind just go the easy way, pay prostitutes. And since that's what most young (US?) men do or want to do anyway, why bother?

In synthesis, so much for Roosh's much-touted alphaness and intellectual calibre. After statements like these, who will believe his unlikely sexual adventures the four corners of Europe? And who needs to believe him anyway? His books are sold, he made the money he could make. His absentee but wealthy father is probably still passing him the cash for his hoes. I even heard he has STDs, something you are much more likely to get when you sleep with prostitutes...
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Postby Andrewww » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:43 am

Well give the guy some credit, at least he doesn't do PUA rip-off...ahem boot camps for suckers willing to spend thousands of dollars.

You get STDs from sleeping with easy women aka the ones who fall for PUA crap. Show me proof that you're more likely to get STDs from hookers. If that was the case, everyone would stay away from Amsterdam or Bangkok and STDs wouldn't be so common among teenagers.

I mean what's the difference between the local club sluts who have one night stands with a couple different guys every week-end and a hooker who entertains a couple loyal customers ? The former does it to feel "empowered" while drunk and most likely without a condom, the latter does it to make some money and refuses service if you don't use a condom or if you are drunk. If anything, I have more respect for the hooker.
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Postby publicduende » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:18 am

Andrewww wrote:Well give the guy some credit, at least he doesn't do PUA rip-off...ahem boot camps for suckers willing to spend thousands of dollars.

You get STDs from sleeping with easy women aka the ones who fall for PUA crap. Show me proof that you're more likely to get STDs from hookers. If that was the case, everyone would stay away from Amsterdam or Bangkok.

I mean what's the difference between the local club sluts who have one night stands with a couple different guys every week-end and a hooker who entertains a couple loyal customers ? The former does it to feel "empowered", the latter does to make some money. If anything, I have more respect for the hooker.

Let's not even mention the top class escorts that only sleep with older and/or wealthier men (most of them married) and refuse service if you don't wear a condom.


I'm sure Roosh started his editorial project with all the good intentions. And I credit him with being so far from the canonical PUA bull I don't even put him in the same camp. However promiscuous, an easy girl in a club can at least choose her partners for the night or the weekend, and reject them at any stage of the transaction. A hooker cannot. And honestly, I cannot imagine a good hooker who entertains only a couple of "loyal customers" every week. On a train to Paddington I once talked to a really cute Lithuanian escort who was looking for a hotel nearby. She told me she was having 5 customers a DAY, on average, and she would only give oral without protection.

Anyway, the core of my dissent on the above post wasn't much about the stigma of STDs, but the fact that a self-proclaimed global sex guru admits that it would have perhaps been better to spare himself all the effort and only have sex with pros. On top of that, to assume that only a tiny minority of his readers would go to Ukraine to actually use his precious advice and challenge themselves with non-pros, is quite indicative of the bad faith of his teaching and preaching.

Pardon me being traditional on this aspect, but sex with a pro, however hot, and sex with a non-pro, however average looking, are two completely different experiences. The latter experience is the only one who won't eventuallty leave its suitor dry and hollow, not only as far as his bank account is concerned. Once our balls are emptied, we all eventuallt need someone who cares. Despite whatever Winston could say about the Philippines, hookers don't care about anything else than completing another transaction and pocketing their dues. Any display of courtesy, tenderness and seemingly "exclusive" affection on their side is simply good "customer service", nothing else.
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Postby Winston » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:39 am

publicduende,
That's not true. Hookers do have a choice. I've been rejected by many Russian and Polish hookers, and even by some Filipina bar girls. They are human and have preferences too. You forget that.

Yes it's a business to them, but why do you think it's IMPOSSIBLE for a Filipina bar girl to actually LIKE a guy who barfines her? Why do you think it's impossible for there to be any affection or chemistry? Just because you paid for something doesn't mean it is strictly business. Life if often a mix in shades of gray. You forget that.

Any decent guy who has spent a lot of time with Filipina bar girls will tell you this: It's not love or business, but somewhere in between.

Only guys with little or no experience (like you perhaps) would say that it's all a business and nothing more. That should tell you something.

Like me, Mr S and Ladislav told you before, the way to know if a bar girl likes you is if she sees you outside of her work, or contacts you a lot. Body language says a lot more than words do.

Ask Ladislav. He has more experience in this than even I do.

You also forget a few things:

1) Poor Filipinas genuinely do like nice guys, as long as they are of higher economic status.

2) Women are genetically programmed to submit to men of higher status. A Western guy is seen as high status in the Philippines, therefore, even prostitutes will submit to him by giving him love and affection. It's in their genes to do so. The love they give though, is more of a "survival based" type of love rather than romantic based, in that it doesn't make you feel vulnerable since it was too easy.

3) For most guys, it is not easy to sleep with non-pros. It is not in a woman's nature to sleep with a man outside of a relationship. They are not hardwired for casual sex with no strings attached. You can't just have sex with a non-pro like picking a product off a supermarket shelf. So give these guys a break. Stop condemning them for going for pros.

4) Bar girls get jealous when a guy they like, even a customer, barfines or flirts with another girl. If they were all business, why would they be jealous?

As to Roosh, why doesn't he try to help guys who are seeking love, romance or marriage? Why limit himself to players? Isn't he human? Doesn't he need love, romance or affection too? WTF? Or is he a sociopath?

Does he make his living only off of selling his ebooks? If so, that is an unstable income stream. Why doesn't he sell ads or use Adsense? He has a ton of traffic and is losing out by not doing so.
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Postby The_Adventurer » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:12 am

publicduende wrote:Pardon me being traditional on this aspect, but sex with a pro, however hot, and sex with a non-pro, however average looking, are two completely different experiences. The latter experience is the only one who won't eventuallty leave its suitor dry and hollow, not only as far as his bank account is concerned. Once our balls are emptied, we all eventuallt need someone who cares. Despite whatever Winston could say about the Philippines, hookers don't care about anything else than completing another transaction and pocketing their dues. Any display of courtesy, tenderness and seemingly "exclusive" affection on their side is simply good "customer service", nothing else.


Have to disagree with you on that one. When I lived there a few years ago, I casually hung out with some bargirls, girls I never did anything with. I remember two who were totally in love with some Korean dudes who were customers. They would give it up for free to those guys anytime. One of those girls was HOT, though not my type (I guess I am one of the few who likes the short, pudgy, dark girls), she was tall, thin, light skinned with long straight hair. The dude she liked was short, fat and dumpy looking. When he came in and barfined another girl, she was really heartbroken and almost killed herself. I knew another girl who was totally in love with an American and thought they would marry. When he disappeared back to his country she was devastated.

They might be all business for most customers, but if they like someone, they really do hope for more. They are still human after all.
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Postby Winston » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:12 am

Good point Terrence.

If it was all business, why would the bar girls that like you get jealous if you flirt with other girls?

These people who say it's all business never take that into account. Plus they have no experience in the matter either. They just sit there and judge.

Btw, why is this going to be Roosh's last travel guide?
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Postby publicduende » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:04 am

Winston wrote:publicduende,
That's not true. Hookers do have a choice. I've been rejected by many Russian and Polish hookers, and even by some Filipina bar girls. They are human and have preferences too. You forget that.

Yes it's a business to them, but why do you think it's IMPOSSIBLE for a Filipina bar girl to actually LIKE a guy who barfines her? Why do you think it's impossible for there to be any affection or chemistry? Just because you paid for something doesn't mean it is strictly business. Life if often a mix in shades of gray. You forget that.

Any decent guy who has spent a lot of time with Filipina bar girls will tell you this: It's not love or business, but somewhere in between.

Only guys with little or no experience (like you perhaps) would say that it's all a business and nothing more. That should tell you something.

Like me, Mr S and Ladislav told you before, the way to know if a bar girl likes you is if she sees you outside of her work, or contacts you a lot. Body language says a lot more than words do.

Ask Ladislav. He has more experience in this than even I do.

You also forget a few things:

1) Poor Filipinas genuinely do like nice guys, as long as they are of higher economic status.

2) Women are genetically programmed to submit to men of higher status. A Western guy is seen as high status in the Philippines, therefore, even hoes will submit to him by giving him love and affection. It's in their genes to do so. The love they give though, is more of a "survival based" type of love rather than romantic based, in that it doesn't make you feel vulnerable since it was too easy.

3) For most guys, it is not easy to sleep with non-pros. It is not in a woman's nature to sleep with a man outside of a relationship. They are not hardwired for casual sex with no strings attached. You can't just have sex with a non-pro like picking a product off a supermarket shelf. So give these guys a break. Stop condemning them for going for pros.

4) Bar girls get jealous when a guy they like, even a customer, barfines or flirts with another girl. If they were all business, why would they be jealous?

As to Roosh, why doesn't he try to help guys who are seeking love, romance or marriage? Why limit himself to players? Isn't he human? Doesn't he need love, romance or affection too? WTF? Or is he a sociopath?

Does he make his living only off of selling his ebooks? If so, that is an unstable income stream. Why doesn't he sell ads or use Adsense? He has a ton of traffic and is losing out by not doing so.


Winston, you're smashing the wrong door here. I am not condemning the conduct of people who always go with pros or prefer pros (or bar girls) to normal girls, however promiscuous they might be.

All I am saying here is that:

1) having sex with a pro and having a relationship of any kind (even as simple friends with benefits) with a non-pro are two different experiences;

2) Roosh has clearly been boasting his "bang ABC" guides as uniquely researched and refined tools to be able to bed good looking non-pros in countries like Colombia, Poland and now Ukraine. If he is the first to give up and admit that most of his readership aren't even interested in applying his advice and taking some effort to bed those standard hotties found in a bar or on a street, then what's the point with buying his eBooks anyway? However reasonably priced his material might be, isn't buying something that not even the seller can guarantee being useful, just plain insane?

Then I think there's a confusion here between receiving a genuine expression of love from a Filipina bar girl. We all know that most bart girls don't like what they do. Most of them have babies to support back in the province, have been devastated by family tragedies and other occurrence our Western spoiled minds can't even begin to fathom. It's only logical that some of them will see some of "us", especially the naturally good-hearted and naive, as potential saviours, or just feel attracted. Well, in that case the bar girl is obviously dismissing her "cap" of a sex industry professional and becoming a standard young woman again, with all we can imagine as a consequence.

I am not saying Filipina bar girls are sex machines programmed to serve clients during their working hours and then switch off completely. It just seems obvious to me that obtaining their services as part of a money exchange is not exactly the most challenging thing a young man could do. I for one would prefer the challenge of seducing a non-pro...which takes time and effort. All good things are worth the wait, right? :) And if Roosh's guides cannot be of help, I would rather get some dust off what I learned when I was a teenager in my hometown.
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Postby Banano » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:12 am

if a so called 'bar girl'(prostitute) likes you and gives you for free, she is still a prostitute that you banged for nothing.

i doubt Ph pros will ever reject customers, they have the lowest standards out of all girls in the world

they easy fall in love and get attached and they as easily fall out of it and fall for another guy
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Postby eurobrat » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:17 am

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Postby Winston » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:31 am

Banano wrote:if a so called 'bar girl'(hoe) likes you and gives you for free, she is still a hoe that you banged for nothing.

i doubt Ph pros will ever reject customers, they have the lowest standards out of all girls in the world

they easy fall in love and get attached and they as easily fall out of it and fall for another guy


You are generalizing. Most bar girls probably will take most customers, but there are some that are picky that reject most customers too. You can ask Ladislav, Mr S, and even Rock. If you want, I can post pics of some bar girls and pros or freelancers that I really liked but refused to go with me. One was so "innocent" that she refused to sleep with me even after I offered her a lot of money. I'm not just saying this. I have SPECIFIC real life examples. Do you want to see them?

Why do you guys like to generalize a group as all the same or homogenous?

All of us like the challenge of seducing a girl you work hard to get. But she has to be seduceable in that she goes out with you and shows signs of interest. If she ignores you and gives you no chance, then you're not even in the game with her. If you can tell that she likes you, then you know it's only a matter of time. In that situation. all of us can gladly wait.
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Postby Banano » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:39 am

ive seen some guys getting rejected by p4p girls, not very often though
it happens but they are rare exceptions, i never got rejected by hoe, it must feel worse than being rejected by normal girl



i wonder how would Roosh fare in PH and TH, what do you think guys,
would he be able to get them for nothing or p4p
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Postby Winston » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:49 am

Banano wrote:ive seen some guys getting rejected by p4p girls, not very often though
it happens but they are rare exceptions, i never got rejected by hoe, it must feel worse than being rejected by normal girl



i wonder how would Roosh fare in PH and TH, what do you think guys,
would he be able to get them for nothing or p4p


Pros are human and have their tastes and preferences. They are not robots, though they can be robots and cold fish in bed.

Roosh is a good looking guy, so he would do well of course. I don't know his personality. But why is he so hateful? Usually good looking guys aren't hateful. Someone said he isn't into Asian chicks anyway right?

You can get non-pros in the Philippines, but they will usually be poor non-pros, not middle class girls. This means that they will still need financial support, even if they aren't pros.

To meet middle class girls, you have to break into their cliques. They also have hang ups about dating foreigners because they will be seen as whores if they are seen with them. So there is a double obstacle against you in regard to middle class Filipinas.

But this is in regard to middle class Filipinas in Manila and Angeles City. They may be more open and laid back in other parts of the Phils, so I am told.
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Postby Banano » Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:32 pm

Winston wrote:
Banano wrote:ive seen some guys getting rejected by p4p girls, not very often though
it happens but they are rare exceptions, i never got rejected by hoe, it must feel worse than being rejected by normal girl



i wonder how would Roosh fare in PH and TH, what do you think guys,
would he be able to get them for nothing or p4p


Pros are human and have their tastes and preferences. They are not robots, though they can be robots and cold fish in bed.

Roosh is a good looking guy, so he would do well of course. I don't know his personality. But why is he so hateful? Usually good looking guys aren't hateful. Someone said he isn't into Asian chicks anyway right?

You can get non-pros in the Philippines, but they will usually be poor non-pros, not middle class girls. This means that they will still need financial support, even if they aren't pros.


To meet middle class girls, you have to break into their cliques. They also have hang ups about dating foreigners because they will be seen as whores if they are seen with them. So there is a double obstacle against you in regard to middle class Filipinas.

But this is in regard to middle class Filipinas in Manila and Angeles City. They may be more open and laid back in other parts of the Phils, so I am told.




Roosh isnt into sugardaddying and financially supporting girls, isnt that form of prostitution?

Please dont tell me its grey area bc it is balck and white, crystal clear


I noticed how some people on HA prefer terms like bar girls over term prostitu*E,
hardened whoreongers like Lad is known to financially support students and suggardaddy them but he still doenst like to think of them as h**kers? is it ego thing or ignorance

Roosh wouldnt be happy sleeping with the girl and then being asked for money in the morning, or buying her meals, books,school ,underwear and sick buffalo fees
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