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Ukraine is losing the Crimea

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Ukraine is losing the Crimea

Postby ladislav » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:51 pm

Russia has effectively sealed the Crimea - the Slavic Monte Carlo-- from Ukraine.

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They went in with no insignia and basically occupied the place. I don't think Ukraine will get it back any time soon. With its military in shambles, there's no way they can fight the Russians. The West is paying lip service to defending Ukraine's rights yada yada but there's nothing they can do.

The Ukrainians triggered it by passing a law outlawing Russian in official documents and procedures. This was enough of an excuse for Putin to invade. He's saying he's protecting the ethnic Russians there. Ironically, the Ukrainian military in the Crimea is also mostly ethnic Russians and so are many people in the present Ukrainian government.

This is all pretty brazen and scary:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdBeGwXgoqI[/youtube]

Pity! Because now it may mean we will need a Russian visa to go there. I had been looking forward to spending summers there but looks like I may have to change plans.

Without taking any sides, to an average ethnic Russian Crimean, it may be a boon because their salaries and pensions will go up maybe 2-4 times. This might be the main reason they are behind it. Heck, who wants to be a patriot of a country that pays him a $60 a month pension?

Parts of Eastern Ukraine may go next. If Odessa goes, that will be the end of the Ukraine we all know and we'll be left with the Catholic, rump one.
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Postby Banano » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:29 am

Ukraine can forget about Crimea just like Serbia can forget about Kosovo.
What can you do when majority of people want to secede and have support of superpower?

What will happen if Yanukovich wins again? Maybe its better for Pro-western Ukranians to let Crimea go, that way they might have a chance on next elections

Lad, Which side you on
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Postby Hero » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:45 am

Good thing I saw the Ukraine while I had a chance. If I'd waited another year, I may never have been able to visit.
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Postby Tsar » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:20 am

Hero wrote:Good thing I saw the Ukraine while I had a chance. If I'd waited another year, I may never have been able to visit.


Why wouldn't you have been able to visit?
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Postby Banano » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:22 am

The alleged targets of 'Putin's Plan' to invade south-eastern Ukraine


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Postby Tsar » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:36 am

That would prevent the West from creating a pipeline from Asia through Turkey into Ukraine to Europe. It would also be very strategic to prevent NATO from acquiring ports in the Black Sea very close to Russia and allow them greater room to influence Ukraine in the aftermath. It is a very logical strategic move.
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Postby ladislav » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:46 am

Ah, but the Crimea is so beautiful. Another thing, though- I wouldn't mind if it were Russian if they allowed easy visas and stopped checking people's papers on the streets. Ukraine let it fall into disrepair- Russia will turn it into a dynamic tourist destination ala Cyprus.

It would have been better if Ukraine could have a neutral non-EU gov't that could function but it seems that no matter which way they do it, it ends up turning into a poor Latin American-like country.

Hard to pick sides.
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Postby Tsar » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:57 am

ladislav wrote:Ah, but the Crimea is so beautiful. Another thing, though- I wouldn't mind if it were Russian if they allowed easy visas and stopped checking people's papers on the streets. Ukraine let it fall into disrepair- Russia will turn it into a dynamic tourist destination ala Cyprus.

It would have been better if Ukraine could have a neutral non-EU gov't that could function but it seems that no matter which way they do it, it ends up turning into a poor Latin American-like country.

Hard to pick sides.


If Russia turns it into a good tourist destination would there be very good entrepreneurial business opportunities?
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Postby Taco » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:23 am

It looks like there's going to be a war there soon, there already laying land mines in farmers fields.

When Ukraine's currency crashed in February Western Union's computer system also crashed in Canada with all the Ukrainians sending money to their relatives back home.

Massive Buildup Of Russian Forces
http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2014 ... es-on.html
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Postby ladislav » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:23 pm

If Russia turns it into a good tourist destination would there be very good entrepreneurial business opportunities?


Opportunities for them, not necessarily for us. Maybe a big multinational with billions could come in and develop some resorts in cohouts with some Russian oligarchs. Russian bureacracy is annoying but at least it's predictable and there's a path through it if you have a lot of money. In case of Ukraine, it's just something totally useless with laws changing all the time and no navigation path.
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Postby momopi » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:05 pm

o.O The Su-27 flight sim game from 1990s had the same scenario where Ukraine and Russia went to battle over Crimea.

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Postby Taco » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:47 am

We might have WWIII starting on Monday, there not screwing around this time.

John Kerry: Russia Has Until Monday
http://washingtonexaminer.com/john-kerr ... le/2545610

Putin Deploys 80,000 Troops On Border
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/e ... o_03132014
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Postby momopi » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:36 pm

NATO does not currently have sufficient forces deployed to deter Russia in Ukraine. Ya'll should take a good look at what happened in Georgia in 2008.

There's really nothing that you can militarily threaten the Russians with in a regional conflict at their doorstep. Economically, the EU is Russia's largest trading partner, but any EU sanctions need to consider that they also import their oil and gas from Russia.
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Postby Jester » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:46 pm

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Postby gsjackson » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:15 pm

momopi wrote:NATO does not currently have sufficient forces deployed to deter Russia in Ukraine. Ya'll should take a good look at what happened in Georgia in 2008.

There's really nothing that you can militarily threaten the Russians with in a regional conflict at their doorstep. Economically, the EU is Russia's largest trading partner, but any EU sanctions need to consider that they also import their oil and gas from Russia.


Yeah, I think Taco's just having fun with us with all the doomsday stuff. That ass Kerry is determined to top himself in ridiculousness every time he opens his mouth, but even he doesn't get anywhere close to Taco's inference in the linked story. Putin holds all the cards, and everybody knows it (except maybe Obama, who seems as clueless as a nominal head of state can get).
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