Grunt wrote:I would think Russian men have about the same possibility for redemption as American females. The trend has been going, in both camps, since the end of World War 2. Economic improvements may alleviate some of the abstract suffering, but so long as there are abundant vodka bottles and divorce lawyers laying around, the tiger wont change its stripes.
Those in power do not give it up easily or willingly. This is demonstrated as more and more Western men are flooding overseas to find wives, while domestic marriage rates plummet. Yet do American females get a clue and snap out of it? NO! They become even more shrill, repulsive, unreasonable and, controlling. I'm sure it will be the same with Russian guys, given the right set of circumstances.
Putting faith where it is undue is like putting a convicted kleptomaniac in a room filled with small expensive shiny objects. They will always fall back to their basic programming.
Grunt, what you say about American women is very inflammatory, but I have to confess that I know precisely what you mean by the shrill, fat and controlling American females. I have to deal with such types too, and it is not pleasant. I am happy to hear that you have managed to find happiness and distance yourself from these types of women. However, I am not really convinced, from what I have seen, that those of you seeking more gentle and feminine types abroad really have any impact on their lives. These women operate very largely by using games and mind control to marginalize others ... mainly, they seek to marginalize better looking women and certain men to get what they want. They are very successful, as any response can be twisted. I find the best way to deal with such women is simply not to give sanction to their sarcasm and self-proclaimed glory.
Part of the problem is that many American men play the game right along with them. For example, the guy at my work who is considered the most eligible bachelor spends more of his time talking to older, overly-aggressive, shrill divorcees or wives than the single young hot American woman who clearly is interested in him. There is also a very beautiful blonde from Ukraine who he ignores to the point that he has never even introduced himself to her or talked to her. Yes, he has been seen going to lunch with the hot girl who likes him, but he only does it when none of the other women are there, and will totally walk away from her to chat up with the battle-axes. He, along with every other guy in our office, speaks of these loud and mouthy women as having "strong personalities" and will often complain that more feminine women are weak. I cannot tell you how many times American men that I dated told me that I was not aggressive enough, and that I didn't know how to "play the game."
As far as your comments about Russian men, I just cannot agree with it at all. My husband is Russian. With the exception of my husband's friend from Fiji, absolutely all of our friends outside of work are from Russia, Ukraine or FSU. All married couples. We are very happy with our Russian men, and we drink together in moderation. Our friends are surgeons, engineers, programmers ... mostly young professionals like us. Are there drunkards in Russia? Sure. However, I have seen just as many drunkard males in blue collar areas of the US.
It goes both ways ... the relationship dysfunction is not entirely the blame of American women. Feminism plays a huge role, mainly because of the economic situation it has created, but men are often feminist in America too.
