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There's a very simple explanation for that. The economic and political situation is very bad there. Also, there is a war going on and young men are off fighting and getting killed. Thus, there are plenty of women available and looking for men.
That's not true at all. Russia has approximately 3 times the population of Ukraine so therefore you should see about 3x the number of women on these sites right? That's not the case. The reason why Ukrainian women are seemingly promoted is purely for marketing reasons. Most guys don't want to go through the hassle of obtaining a visa to Russia. For most Western countries, a visa is not required for visits to Ukraine for up to 90 days.
I don't think it has anything to do with the 'war' at all.
If Russia dropped their visa requirements for Western countries I think you'd see Russian women promoted a whole lot more.
For this reason though a guy should consider a Russian woman because less guys are travelling there than Ukraine. Hope this helps.
I also wanted to add that I've met girls from 'war' torn areas such as Donetsk. They are not clamouring to find a foreign partner and get out of Ukraine quick. Many of them have moved to other cities of Ukraine. Some stay where they are.
Girls are not desperate to get out of Ukraine but sometimes you can have relationships with them.
I agree with Voyager. I was only in Ukraine two weeks, and I did not see any women desperate to get out. They were happy in their home towns and with their families and were perfectly willing to put up with their conditions, even if poor. Having a small clean apartment and their parents and friends, along with food on the table, was enough for them, even if they had little spare cash.
Also even if they wanted to find a foreign partner, they were still very picky and had a lot of standards for what they wanted. White women tend to be into lookism. They want a certain type of guy of a certain height and build and personality type. They weren't desperate enough to be my girlfriend or fiancee just to try to get out of Ukraine.
Plus the women were a lot more reserved than in Russia so it wasn't as easy to meet them. I'm sure if I had cold approached women everyday there with my improved Russian language skills today, I would have dated more women there. But even then, it's not as easy as you imagine. I went many days there feeling lonely and dateless. The few women I did date were platonic with me and ditched me after a while. They were not physically affectionate with me.
In spite of that, the women were genuine and feminine. They had real emotions and real souls, kind of like the America of the 1960's and prior. So it is a society of traditional values, which is nice. But I think Ukraine is better for white men, especially big stocky type of white men like our friend Mark Edward Davis. Ukrainian and Russian women tend to like big macho type of white men, because that type makes them feel safe and secure, and resembles the traditional Russian man that they are genetically predisposed to mate with.
Yes there are a ton of Ukrainian women on dating sites and marriage agency sites. But many of them may be scammers or just there to see what they can get. I noticed that a lot of FSU women on Russian bride sites aren't desperate to get out of their country. They just wanna have well off foreign men come and spend money on them, wine and dine them, etc. Some of them are serial daters who join just to see what type of men write them. If they meet their perfect guy, yeah they may marry him and go abroad, but they aren't desperate to. It's just an amusing hobby for them to see what type of sugar daddies they can lure to them so they can take advantage of them. In other words, they are trying out the Russian bride thing just for "the hell of it" to see what happens.
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I sure have. Recently, on Anastasiaweb, I've been seeing more and more Czech women as well.
Agree with Winston that it's hard to date a good Ukrainian women. The two that I dated were just hos trying to hook me for a green card.
Many of the more attractive ones are either married or have boyfriends. They are sought after locally. I heard of one case where the woman was married and pro-dated Westerners. Her husband was okay with it because it brought money to the family. (Often the taxi driver turns out to be the husband or boyfriend.)
On another note one way to detect a fake profile is to examine their photos. Look particularly into the background. For example if they claim to be from Ukraine but the background in their photos is somewhere in USA or Europe or their apartment looks too good, etc. it's probably a fake profile. When you've travelled enough in Eastern Europe you know what the background should look like. You can also do a Google image search. Many of the fake profiles are stolen model photos.
Websites are for dreaming. If you are serious about an LTR, you need to move to Ukraine for a year as a student or other long term visa, develop some way of getting to meet lots of women in person, then have a plan for bringing the woman back to the west. Good looking women here under age 30 are NOT hurting for good looking men. Women over age 40 are another story, but these only speak Russian and are mostly not interested in relocating.
If you just want sex, go to the escort and sponsorship sites. Or visit the brothels or meet hookers in person on the street or bars known for P4P.
Women here are fundamentally no different from women in the west, other than being better looking and more pleasant in personality. There are good looking and pleasant women in the west, and they are mostly NOT interested in guys who want to do a pump and dump.
Yes, it is true. I have been corresponding with Russian and Ukrainian women for months on a free website, so I think I have some perspective. There is no "promotion" on the site, it is real women looking for men. On this site, there are tons of Ukrainian women desperate to get out. As soon as I message Ukrainian women they start telling me how it is their dream to move to the United States. Russian women, on the other hand, don't seem desperate and just seem to be putting feelers out there to see if they click with a foreign man.
no offense, but Ukraine is a lot different than when you went there more than a decade ago. When you were there, Ukraine seemed to be heading for a bright future in the EU. Since then, the country has descended into revolution,war,and chaos. Women are desperate to get out. If you doubt what I say, start messaging Ukrainian women and see how they respond. 90% of them will be telling you how they dream to meet a man from America, marry him, and move there to be with him.
I'm in Ukraine now and have been here since May. My primary reason is I need someplace cheap to live in the summer, but I'm always on the lookout for women, so I interact with the locals. Life can be difficult here. Typical salary of a grocery store cashier is under $300/month, and they work hard for that salary. Even supervisors only make about twice that. Of course, costs are low here as well, so people manage. I talk, in both Russian and English, with ordinary women, so I know what I am talking about. There is no desperation to get out by normal women. Yes, they are intrigued by the fact that I am American, but intrigued is not the same as desperation. The "desperate" ones on websites are scammers, or women who can't get a decent job or man here in Ukraine because they are ugly or stupid or crazy or criminal record or disabled or all five defects combined, or ignorant fools who think the streets of United States are paved with gold, same as ignorant peasants from 150 years ago used to think about the United States. If a women from Ukraine really wants to get out of the country by marrying an American, she is bad news. She will divorce you as soon as she can. Consider yourselves warned.
The real advantage of Ukraine is women willing to be bought, because they are cheaper here, same as everything here is cheaper. But they aren't dirt cheap. Visit the sponsor or escort websites.
"Women are desperate to get out."
@GA - That's news to me I was there earlier in the year for 3 months and women were not desperate to get out. They expected me to pay for them when we went for lunch or dinner but they were anything but desperate to get out. I can tell you've never set foot in Eastern Europe.
Many of the ladies don't want to leave because they have ties there. They have their friends and family. They just want to enhance their life where they already are.
if you stay long term can you start to get any 'repeat customer discounts?'
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