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Dismal statistics on Russian women relationships

Postby Winston » Wed May 12, 2010 9:17 am

Check out these stats on Jim's Agency Scams site. They confirm what I've said before about Russian women not having a strong sense of commitment, and being best for short term fun. The divorce rate in Russia at 65 percent is even higher than in the US! I wonder why Finland, Lithuania, Belgium, Czech Republic and Latvia also have a higher divorce rate than the US as well.

http://agencyscams.com/Divorce.html
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Postby Winston » Wed May 12, 2010 9:26 am

From the same site, check out these stats that show why bringing a foreign bride back to the states is a bad idea. How can this be?

http://agencyscams.com/Divorce.html

Foreign Marriage Statistics

A few guys have blasted me for the statistic of foreign marriage statistics that I have on my Facts page. Well, here are the official statistics from the US government (uscis.gov) for the year 2003.

3889 K-1's (fiancée) entered the USA
54.0% left the USA within 6 months
28.2% left between 6 months to one year
17.7% lasted more than one year

1546 K-3 (spouse) entered the USA
70.3% left the USA within 6 months
22.6% left between 6 months to one year
7.1 % lasted more than one year
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Postby Winston » Wed May 12, 2010 10:00 am

Check out what these Western men who live in Russia voted on about Russian women. It concurs with my experience as well.

http://agencyscams.com/Facts.html

Russian Women Facts & Myths

What I have done here is given this questionnaire to guys living in Russia more than 2 years. Sorry guys, but it does NOT matter now many letters, phone calls or even trips you make here; until you have lived here, there are some things that you are blind to. I guarantee you that if you take a trip to the FSU, you will love it and the people. Try living there, your opinion will change. Maybe a little, maybe a lot. Because not everyone has the same opinion, I have also included the percentage of guys that have agreed with these opinions...so you can have a better idea.

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Russian women are beautiful. Fact (100%)

The chances of them keeping their looks after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)

Russian women are slim. Fact (100%)

The chances of them keeping their figure after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)

Russian women make excellent life-long partners. Myth (100%)

Russian women are good to have fun with for a short time. Fact (100%)

Russian women are warm, loving, soft-spoken and wonderful creatures. Myth (100%)

Russian women are whiney, over-sensitive, argumentative nymphos. Fact (75%)

Russian women are masters at turning on the charm until they have their claws in you. Fact (100%)

Russian women are pathological liars. Fact (75%)

Any man would be lucky to have a Russian wife. Myth (100%)

Russian women consider themselves to be highly elite, intelligent princesses. Fact (100%)

Russian women are beautiful on the inside. Myth (75%)

Russian women are arrogant, Soviet-thinking prisses. Fact (75%)

Russian women are open. (Meaning they shout, get angry and do and say anything they want.) Fact (80%)

Russian women, so as not to jinx anything, never tell you about their plans or personal life. Fact (75%)

Russian women seem to like sleeping, resting and doing nothing more than most other things. Fact (75%)

Russian women consider alcohol in hand mandatory for activities such as going to restaurants, cafes, friends’ houses, sitting in parks, walking or breathing. Fact (100%)

Yes, my site is quite negative. It just happens. Not all Russian girls are bad. Like I said many times, if you find a girl that you click with and marry, she will probably make a better wife than a girl from your country. Finding that girl is the really hard part. Just because I do not want a Russian girl, it doesn't mean that you cannot find a great girl. Use your common sense, think with your BIG head spend a LOT of time with her before deciding on a future. Forget your fairy tale thinking. This is reality.
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Truth about Slavs.

Postby Montanaland » Wed May 12, 2010 12:51 pm

It has taken this website to shine the light on the reality of the Slavic and eastern european mindset. I still have friends that blindly drool over their beauty, however they do not think like we do.

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Postby ladislav » Wed May 12, 2010 1:31 pm

Add to this the fact that most Western men who go there:
1) Know virtually no language or culture of the place.
2) Do not know how to deal with Russian women the Russian way
3) Do not know how to find a good girl within her natural environment the way Russian men do and do not try to do it.
4) Cannot travel in local circles of intelligentsia because they do not know how to get into that society.

and you have a total recipe for disaster.

One guy on one board was complaining about the Russians that although they are white, their culture is closer to the Chinese than to "us". I have to disagree. An Anglo is actually closer to the Chinese and would have no problem with a Chinese girl, especially one from Singapore or HK. But not with a Russian. They exist on another plane.

If you do not know their culture and are not willing to learn in thoroughly and go native, it is better to meet some Asian girls.

Have you noticed that Russian guys never complain about Russian girls?

Anglos and East Slavs in their natural form are incompatible!
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Postby globetrotter » Wed May 12, 2010 2:09 pm

Explain the two Russian girls who teach ESL near me. One (22, Ethnic Russian, Kazakh) has hooked up with her 55 yo professor at University, the other (17) self-taught herself English, got a job teaching ESL and married a 23 year old British guy. They headed back to England in January.
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Postby Think Different » Wed May 12, 2010 3:40 pm

I lived in St. Petersburg, Russia for two years, and met a ton of gorgeous young Russian girls (I was in my mid-20s at the time). Although I became friends with them, I NEVER trusted them romantically, for a variety of reasons. I just made it clear that I'm not interested in dating, but just being friends, and I got a lot farther with being accepted into the Russian circles. Most of the Russians who accepted me were university-types and very intelligent, including guys. Russians are indeed shockingly intelligent, by western standards, actually. How many Americans can quote Pushkin or Alexander Blok poetry from memory?

Still, I have a good 6th sense about people and who to trust, and most of the Russian women not part of my circle of friends had "damaged goods" or "dishonest" alarm bells going off in my head. Speaking of circles, at least while I was there, the old Soviet survival mentality was still alive and well. I saw that Russians treat people like "us and them". If you're not in their circle of friends, you're "them/other/an outsider". If they accept you into their circle, you become one of "us/a friend/trusted". Yes, it's very clique-ish. As an American, you'll likely be given the benefit of the doubt however, because you're not from there, so there's the curiosity factor, at least initially. In short, I like the Russian people very much and I do appreciate their humor (which I personally find similar to black American humor), and they make intense and devoted friends, if you meet the right ones, but I would still never consider marrying one of the women. Perhaps I'd change my mind, if I had to remarry, and I found a quality one over age 40. But that's only speculation.

Now, the OLDER Russian ladies (over 40) were a totally different breed, and I really liked hanging out and chatting with them. They drink too much, but they actually had no interest in my money (or lack thereof), but just wanted to get to know me, and talk about politics, life, the world, and whatever. I think life just calmed them down, and they stopped playing games. Who knows.
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Postby ladislav » Wed May 12, 2010 3:41 pm

globetrotter wrote:Explain the two Russian girls who teach ESL near me. One (22, Ethnic Russian, Kazakh) has hooked up with her 55 yo professor at University, the other (17) self-taught herself English, got a job teaching ESL and married a 23 year old British guy. They headed back to England in January.



I mean in their natural form- not the ones who are interested in learning English and who are trying to adapt to Western cultures. The ones you described are an exception to the rule.

Ah, you would need to go to Russia and live there to understand what I mean. I spent 10 years there. The way just an average Russian acts and thinks is just totally incompatible with an Anglo. Now, the ones who went to China, taught themselves English, became teachers in Asia and all that, oh these are very unusual. Not a natural condition.
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Re: Truth about Slavs.

Postby ladislav » Wed May 12, 2010 3:51 pm

It has taken this website to shine the light on the reality of the Slavic and eastern european mindset. I still have friends that blindly drool over their beauty, however they do not think like we do.



Well, it goes without saying that those who are interested in foreign women from such a different culture should study the way they think and maybe try to adapt? Read a few books, learn the language? The way American expect foreigners to behave when they come to the US. The trouble is most do not take the time to do it. Cultural differences get in the way if you do not know ( and do not like or agree with) the culture. This breeds disappointment and numerous posts about the horrors of Russian women.

No Russian men ever complain about their women or try and go abroad to find a wife. Tells you something.
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Postby Think Different » Wed May 12, 2010 4:11 pm

Ladislav, perhaps you could explain what the Russian men do in respect to the Russian ladies, that allow them to tolerate the problems we see explained here, since their success with them outshines our own. How do they treat them differently than we westerners do? How do they put up with the princess attitude, the whining, and the gold-digging, that I see complained about here. Not that I believe they're all like that.

Or, are western men just finding the wrong women? Or, are they tolerating crap they shouldn't be tolerating? I have my own theories, but only have been an observer of the relationships over there.

You're right, anyone coming from outside must make a decent attempt to understand the Russian language, the culture, the tortured history, and show some respect. That's a minimum. When I was there (15 years ago) I found Russians to have a strange mix of insecurity about their lot in life, and the fact that they were lied to by the Soviets about their supposed "1st world nation status", but they are incredibly proud (and rightly so), very resourceful, and extremely resilient.
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Postby Winston » Wed May 12, 2010 4:18 pm

Ladislav,
Regardless of any cultural differences or understanding, the fact is that a huge percentage of Russian girls scam, lie, cheat, steal, drug men's drinks, and do evil things when they feel like it. Even when it comes to online scammers alone, the vast majority of them come from Russia. What does culture have to do with that? Those are pure evil criminal acts, plain and simple. In this case, it's black and white. They are acts of evil. Not misunderstandings.

So what do cultural differences and misunderstanding have to do with any of that?
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Postby ladislav » Wed May 12, 2010 8:04 pm

RedDog wrote:Ladislav, perhaps you could explain what the Russian men do in respect to the Russian ladies, that allow them to tolerate the problems we see explained here, since their success with them outshines our own. How do they treat them differently than we westerners do? How do they put up with the princess attitude, the whining, and the gold-digging, that I see complained about here. Not that I believe they're all like that.

Or, are western men just finding the wrong women? Or, are they tolerating crap they shouldn't be tolerating? I have my own theories, but only have been an observer of the relationships over there.

You're right, anyone coming from outside must make a decent attempt to understand the Russian language, the culture, the tortured history, and show some respect. That's a minimum. When I was there (15 years ago) I found Russians to have a strange mix of insecurity about their lot in life, and the fact that they were lied to by the Soviets about their supposed "1st world nation status", but they are incredibly proud (and rightly so), very resourceful, and extremely resilient.



Oh man, this would require a treatise of its own, but it is a game they play and it is similar to drawing in a fish, letting her go, pulling up on the line a bit again and just doing it over and over again. Drawing her in. They know the game and so do Russian guys. NONE of them ever fail to get not one girl but many girls. There are no girlfriend-less Russian guys - are there? And they are not going to other countries to get girls.

Well, one needs to charm them with soul and intellectual conversations, maudlin stories of childhood and parents, wax romantic for hours and leave them at that. Call them again and invite them out. Then it is the woods, the river, walking along the bank, talking about poetry, interests, her college /school days, finding things in common. Then inviting her again and again. Getting to know her better and better. It is a long project. And that requires speaking the language. There are some girls who find foreigners ( that is non Russian speakers) interesting but they cannot play the game. Which is Ok with these girls because they enjoy the adventure.

The main gripes about Anglos from Russian girls are these:

No soul- an automaton. A pragmatic, stubborn machine. Not human. Cold as ice. Self righteous. Unyielding. My way or highway. (In a foreign country? Gimme a break!) The same thing that causes the Americans' undoing in Japan but there you have racism to deal with as well, while in Russia it is less so.
Cannot speak the language beyond a few words. And if he knows a few words he thinks he should be appreciated and thought of as smart.
Condescending to her culture and virulently nationalistic( while in her country). Refuses to accept other cultures.
A man pays for everything. That is just how the culture goes. Russian men do.
Too fast trying to get the girl into the sack. Angry if he does not succeed. He is on a tight ( Anglo) schedule and wants things now. He expects Russians to fit his schedule. Yeah, good luck!
Many Russian people think America is this incredible advanced 1st world super nation with these ultra intelligent super duper cultured people. When they finally get there, the stark reality hits them like a ton of bricks. Rudeness, thuggery, crime, racism, and how dumbed down the people are and how so many things do not work socially speaking. How unhelpful and arrogant so many people are. And how little respect they have for other cultures and countries. And now these Russian girls have no friends and no family - a network that they cannot live without.
Also, while some Russian guys are purported to be drunkards and rubes, many are also very romantic. They miss that in the pragmatic America. So, many can't stand it and leave.
The chances of success with Russian women would be more or less increased if unrealistic expectations were not there in the first place on both parts. And if the Anglo guys would read a couple of books, take language courses and became interested in the culture, not only in the looks of the girls. And if those girls were given some kind of orientation before going to the US or falling for Americans.
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Postby ladislav » Wed May 12, 2010 8:10 pm

Regardless of any cultural differences or understanding, the fact is that a huge percentage of Russian girls scam, lie, cheat, steal, drug men's drinks, and do evil things when they feel like it.


Do they do those things to Russian guys?
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Postby Winston » Wed May 12, 2010 8:35 pm

RedDog wrote:Ladislav, perhaps you could explain what the Russian men do in respect to the Russian ladies, that allow them to tolerate the problems we see explained here, since their success with them outshines our own. How do they treat them differently than we westerners do? How do they put up with the princess attitude, the whining, and the gold-digging, that I see complained about here. Not that I believe they're all like that.

Or, are western men just finding the wrong women? Or, are they tolerating crap they shouldn't be tolerating? I have my own theories, but only have been an observer of the relationships over there.

You're right, anyone coming from outside must make a decent attempt to understand the Russian language, the culture, the tortured history, and show some respect. That's a minimum. When I was there (15 years ago) I found Russians to have a strange mix of insecurity about their lot in life, and the fact that they were lied to by the Soviets about their supposed "1st world nation status", but they are incredibly proud (and rightly so), very resourceful, and extremely resilient.


If you look at the stats above in the first link I posted, you'll see that Russia has a divorce rate of 65 percent. So obviously Russian men don't maintain long term relationships with them either. They may get scammed by them less of course, cause they know their ways.

Usually the most innocent and sincere Russian girls are looking for love from their own kind.

I've noticed that when Russians talk to each other, they seem to be able to read each other's minds and understand each other's intent with few words, as though there is some connection that non-Russians can't see.
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Postby Winston » Wed May 12, 2010 8:52 pm

ladislav wrote:
Regardless of any cultural differences or understanding, the fact is that a huge percentage of Russian girls scam, lie, cheat, steal, drug men's drinks, and do evil things when they feel like it.


Do they do those things to Russian guys?


Probably not, cause Russian guys are not easy to fool.

But still, what does cheating, lying, stealing and scamming have to do with cultural misunderstandings? Opportunists take advantage of easy targets. It's merely an evil predatory act, not one of "misunderstanding".

Are you saying that a Westerner who understands Russian culture will know how to avoid this and read the signs? If so, that's something that they learn to defend themselves, kind of like learning martial arts. But I don't see how it is a "misunderstanding" though. Isn't it mere attack vs. defense strategy?
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