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Observations from spending last 2 months in Kiev

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best city meeting girl(non-pros) for sex/dating in Ukraine?

Poll ended at Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:44 pm

kiev,
1
20%
kherson
1
20%
Lugansk
3
60%
Lviv
0
No votes
Krakow
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 5

Observations from spending last 2 months in Kiev

Postby salsero » Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:44 pm

Little background: I am in early 30s, good shape and moved to Kiev since I was able to work remotely. Main purpose of moving to kiev was to meet women for sex and possibly long term relationship if I find the right one.

General observations:
- Kiev does have one of the most beautiful women in the world.
- The good girls are pretty reserved when it comes to sex. They will go out with you, come to your apartment, help you out but hold back on anything romantic or sexual until they are sure about the relationship from both the sides.
- There is a portion of the girls who would look at you as ATM machine and waste your time and money. Look out for pattern and avoid it.
- Even if the girl has a boy-friend, she will not tell you that unless you explicitly ask her. You won't be able to tell from her behavior.
- On an average, girls are smart, emotionally and physically healthy, independent, strong self image, almost never submissive, very seductive, sensual, great in bed....but will make you work for it!!! :)

About Agencies:
- You meet both kinds of girls through agencies- Gold diggers and good girls
- You can spot gold-diggers in 10-15 minutes after you meet her.
- Agency is a good way to save time. that way you avoid girls with boyfriends, not interested in your type, smokers, save time from online dating etc.


You can meet local girls through social groups such as language groups, couch surfing etc if you have plenty of free time and thick skin.

In conclusion, if I learn the language, make a lot of friends here and escalate things slowly, I will be able to find very beautiful and loyal girl-friend. But if you just want to have quick fun, Kiev may not be right place unless you want to spend a lot of money for sex. If you want to spend a lot of money then you might as well use escort service, what's the difference :)

I have couple of more week in Ukraine and I would like to see the situation in other cities. What city will your recommend? My purpose is find girls who are not very demanding and great looking for quick sex and possibly relationship. I speak beginning russian and since I lived here for couple of months, I know how to get around.
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Postby Winston » Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:48 am

Welcome salsero,

Those are great observations, and I would share them with my list.

Yeah I never thought that FSU were as sexually loose as the myth about them portrayed either.

I also recommend meeting through agencies and outside of them as well.

How did you recognize a gold digger right away? What were the signs to you?

Ladislav recently went to Lugansk and would recommend it for meeting women I think.

Btw, Krakow is in Poland, not Ukraine. It's a lot of fun, but not easy for sex, though the brothels there are pretty cheap at 30 dollars a pop.
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Gold digger signs in Ukraine

Postby salsero » Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:54 am

To answer Winston's question, I met about 10 girls through agency, about 3-4 of them were gold-digger type. Here is how to spot them in minutes :

    - When you say hello, suggest a near by cafe or a simple walk, see her reaction? If she starts hinting towards, a GREAT place she knows, very very nice, salivating at the thought of the place :), take lead and take her where ever you want to take her in either case :).
    - What kinds of questions she is asking, is she really fascinated by you or your culture?
    - use your intuition

I have ended dates as early as 10 minutes when I realize girl is using you as a meal ticket. It's blatantly obvious to me. One girls, As you soon, she said hello, she didn't even make eye-contact and asked about the restaurants :) I told her that I just wanted to say hello and I have meeting and don't have time for food. Let's walk few minutes :)
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Re: Gold digger signs in Ukraine

Postby Winston » Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:28 pm

salsero wrote:To answer Winston's question, I met about 10 girls through agency, about 3-4 of them were gold-digger type. Here is how to spot them in minutes :

    - When you say hello, suggest a near by cafe or a simple walk, see her reaction? If she starts hinting towards, a GREAT place she knows, very very nice, salivating at the thought of the place :), take lead and take her where ever you want to take her in either case :).
    - What kinds of questions she is asking, is she really fascinated by you or your culture?
    - use your intuition

I have ended dates as early as 10 minutes when I realize girl is using you as a meal ticket. It's blatantly obvious to me. One girls, As you soon, she said hello, she didn't even make eye-contact and asked about the restaurants :) I told her that I just wanted to say hello and I have meeting and don't have time for food. Let's walk few minutes :)


I've met those types. They are always more interested in where you're going rather than being together and getting to know you. One I knew wouldn't even wait for me to eat my sandwich when we were on our way to a party at the US Embassy and were 40 minutes EARLY! She was so inconsiderate.

Here are some other red flags:

http://www.russianwomenabroad.com/forum_eng/index.php?sid=cecac74d7c9772e386426cf1b62ae8b4

Here are some signs, which can enlighten you that she is not attracted to you:

She looks very frustrated when she first sees you. She does not smile;

Even after you spend some time together, she still does not want to hold hands. When you try to touch her, it looks as though it irritates her... Here I should say that it is wrong to think that Russian women don't like "holding hands". They do, but only if they like you. I remember my close friend told me about one of the foreigners who visited her. She said, "you know, when he tries to touch my hand, I feel repulsed..." In another situation, when she liked a guy, she would love "holding hands"!

Here are some other Red flags:

During your stay, your Russian friend will prefer to spend all of your evenings in night-clubs or restaurants, instead of spending “quality time� together with you getting to know each other (don’t confuse this with her attempting to be hospitable and showing you the town);

Will try to make you buy as much stuff for her as possible, will complain and show her dissatisfaction in case you don’t get her something she wants;

Will show a change in her mood very often (ex. Will be happy and excited when you are in public, but sullen and silent when you are alone);

Will act like she is very busy and could devote only a short time to you, in particular meeting you at restaurants or bars only;

Will be reluctant to discuss your future together, and make serious plans;

Will have sex with you on the first date, but won’t kiss you on the lips or will accept sex passively (remember “Pretty woman�? )

Also, I wish to assure you that if your Russian friend will be willing to have sex with you on the first date, it does not prove anything. She may really like you, or she may just believe that it is the only way to get abroad.

One more point: on our Women’s forum we discussed if any of our women were really “in love� when they agreed to marry their husbands, 95% admitted that they were not in love. Some said that they developed love and respect throughout their life with their spouses. Those, few who replied that they did fall in love before the marriage, were met with distrust and disbelief. Many said that it is impossible to fall in love with a stranger whom you met on-line. Surely, many (if not all) of these women assured their future husbands that they were “in love� before the marriage. This is something to think about!

There is a lot to consider in developing any relationship. Of course, it’s nice to be very positive and open to the possibilities, but in order to avoid great disappointment afterwards, I would advice you to use your judgment, insight and maturity when arriving at this crucial step in your relationships.
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Postby Adama » Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:08 pm

Yup, anywhere there are white women, they will not be submissive or sexually conservative. You want that, better choose an Asian or the rare South American woman.
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