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Four Catch-22's in America you're not supposed to see

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Four Catch-22's in America you're not supposed to see

Postby Winston » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:11 pm

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America has a way of proclaiming to be the opposite of what it really is as a form of diversion from the truth and mind control technique to keep you from perceiving reality. The intellectual Author Noam Chomsky notes this about the "liberal media myth", that in reality the media is very conservative and tightly aligned with business interests, which is clear from the evidence, yet they continually propagate the myth that it is liberal as though it were a given fact of common knowledge. See Chomsky's explanation here in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlyb1Bx9Ic

Likewise, there are many Catch-22's in America that you are conditioned not to see which are polar opposites in claims vs. reality. They serve the purpose of inducing a "happy slave" mentality in the populace while subduing freedom of thought, a necessary illusion to maintain conformity to the business culture of America.

I will point out and describe a few:

1) You are taught that freedom is the epitome of human life, that it's worth dying for even, hence Patrick Henry's legendary quote "Give me liberty or give me death". Freedom is your "inalienable right", which is declared in the US Constitution.

Yet on the other hand, you are also taught that one MUST submit to corporate slavery, aka employment, in order to make a living. Without a job, your life has no purpose and you are labeled as lazy and idle. You are basically obligated to a lifetime of servitude to a corporation or public organization, which is a hierarchical dictatorship, in which there is no freedom or democracy. By doing so, you give your life away to the economy, and become a robot in a private dictatorship, in order to "make a living" and receive material rewards. Otherwise, you become a bum and are punished with deprivation of your material needs.

A few are able to run their own business and live off it, or generate an easy source of residual income. But most are not, and must submit to corporate slavery, giving their lives away to servitude.

There is definitely no freedom in that, for true freedom means you are free of any and all bondage and can do and think whatever you want, at least most of the time. Becoming a corporate drone obviously, is the antithesis of that.

The ideal citizen in America is a "happy slave", one that pays lip service to his/her freedom, but not actually BEING free, instead living a life of servitude and slavery to higher authorities.

2) You are expected to mind your own business, not need others, and leave other people alone. You are expected to be strong and independent, and to never get lonely. And you are taught not to talk to strangers, but to be paranoid of them. Normal means that you keep social interaction confined within closed social cliques, established usually early on in life in high school or college. Communication with strangers is usually business related.

In your culture, people live in a bubble, neighbors don't usually know each other, and every man is an island. There is an ice barrier between strangers. Hence people are not comfortable meeting new people and trying to do so feels awkward and tight. Even in extracurricular activities, people only meet for convenience and then go their separate ways afterward. It's a very isolating culture, and thus connecting and bonding with others does NOT come natural at all.

Yet on the other hand, if you go to places and public events alone, you are seen as a loser, like there's something wrong with you. It's a Catch-22, putting you between a "rock and a hard place" and unfairly blaming YOU for it.

If you complain about loneliness or having no friends or dates, then people will down you and claim that you must have a horrible personality or no social skills, in order to make themselves feel better than you. By giving them a target to ostracize (you), you give them a temporary feeling of "belonging to the pack" which has kicked you out. It's a very dysfunctional victim blaming mentality. Thus it's a taboo to ever admit that you're lonely and have no social life, one that is punishable with blame and ridicule.

Furthermore, the media and movies portray the image that everyone is friendly in America, and that friends and dates are easy to get, so when they aren't, you blame yourself and assume something must be wrong with you. The cultural mythos says that "people are very friendly and if you were a person with great qualities, then everyone would want to hang out with you, and you'd have a lot of friends, so if you don't, then your personality and social skills must be lacking."

This myth and assumption ignores the fact that America is in reality a very nonsocial and segregated culture designed for business, not social connection or healthy relationships. This is evidenced by the fact that most lonely people in America report a far better social life when they go overseas to more open and passionate cultures. And it's also confirmed by the fact that loneliness and mental illness are silent epidemics which are more prevalent in America than in other nations.

Therefore, logically, in an antisocial culture where people do not like to bond or befriend others, where communication is usually business related, wouldn't it be more normal and natural to not have good friends and social life?

Thus the problem is due to the social culture, not with you (assuming that you are a decent social person with no major personality defects). Yet society has programmed you to see it backwards, that the problem is you and not the culture.

That is wrong and deceitful. But then again, America is not about truth, but about conforming to whatever consensus the media and government give you.

3) You are told that you live in a free country with free speech, that your culture is the epitome of freedom and democracy, envied by all other countries (which is BS). This means you are free to say, think and do whatever you want, as long as you don't intrude on the rights of others.

Yet if you don't believe whatever you are told by authority (government), your corporate media, and the engineered social consensus in your culture, then you are ridiculed and condemned for not following the herd. This means that you have a patriotic and civic duty to support every Godless evil murderous war that America gets involved in as well, even if it is in the wrong.

Nevermind the fact that innocent civilians, including women and children, die in America's wars that serve corporate greed, power and control. None of that should outrage you, because your leaders support it and therefore you have a patriotic duty to do so as well. You must OBEY and CONFORM!

For to you, truth is whatever authority and consensus tell you, not whatever the actual truth really is. And your duty is to conform to that, not challenge it. After all, if the mainstream media doesn't challenge it, then who are you to?!

In other words, you can pay lip service to freedom and free speech, as long as you CONFORM to authority and consensus. This means that it's ok to be a hypocrite, but not a nonconformist! It's one of the BIGGEST LIES imaginable.

Yet you aren't supposed to see this discrepancy and Catch-22, which in Orwellian terms is a form of "double think" in which the government says one thing and does another, yet programs you not to see the discrepancy.

It's the ultimate form of mind control. And it makes me sick.

4) You are told by many patriotic God fearing Americans that "America is the land of the free and the epitome of freedom" yet that it is also "a Christian nation" or at least based on Christian ethics and values.

Though there is debate over whether the Founding Fathers were Christians or Deists, America is still seen by many as being founded on Christian principles and ideals, which are ingrained in our culture, ethics and morals.

Yet the slightest cursory glance at the Bible and Christian faith reveals that it is inherently fascist in nature. The Bible teaches that if you do whatever you want or live your life however you want, you are living in sin and rebellion against God. Throughout the Bible, the message is that if you don't obey God and follow his commandments, you will be punished and damned. The Christian message is that freedom is evil, while obedience and giving your life and will to God is good. Likewise, in fascist Nazi Germany, anyone who didn't obey was shot or imprisoned. Dissension was not allowed. Fear of punishment was the motivator. Therefore, Christianity is essentially a "fascist religion".

Christianity and Fascism share the following core attributes:

a) Obey or be punished.
b) No independent thoughts. Must think with the hive.
c) No tolerance for dissension or free speech.
d) Your God or dictator is to be feared, for fear keeps you in line and protects authority.
e) The use of fear and guilt as psychological control mechanisms.
f) The view that the individual is weak and powerless, and his/her life is without purpose, unless aligned to serve a "higher power" (e.g. God, tyrant or dictator).

Now this isn't to say that Jesus himself was a fascist. Assuming he existed (which is not a proven fact), he could very well have been a well meaning person spreading a good spiritual message to help people. It's what the Church and elite power structure DID with his name and the religion around him that they established that turned Christianity into a fundamentalist religion and a fascist form of control over others.

So anyway, how can you believe in religious fascism and a "land of the free" at the same time?! How can you deem freedom as the highest value yet preach a religion where freedom is considered evil and obedience to God is the only good? How can you claim the right of free speech yet support a religion that doesn't allow dissension? You can't. It's a total contradiction. Yet they preach it nonetheless. It's another example of Orwellian "double think". Therefore, living with the ideals of freedom and fascism at the same time is a Catch-22.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. When you look deeper, the contradictions become even more numerous.

For example, how can you support the American value of individualism and at the same time the Christian belief that the individual is nothing unless he/she submits to the Christian God and obeys him? If you truly believed in individual free will, you cannot endorse the punishment of individuals who freely choose not to surrender to the "hive mentality" of the Christian Church. There's no way around it if you think about it. (but then again you are not meant to think about it, only to obey all that you are told)

Furthermore, as the Apostle Paul said in his Epistles (Romans 6), we are "slaves to sin" before accepting Christ. But once you accept Christ and start following God's commandments, you are "set free" from sin and become "slaves to righteousness" as Paul put it. In other words, when you are free, you are "slaves to sin", but when you submit your will to God and give up your freedom, then you are "set free from sin"! How can you be "set free" by submitting to fascism?! What could be more ridiculous than that?! Golly. The mind control here couldn't be more obvious.

Also, how can you preach the "love of God" and the "fear of God" at the same time? You can't love and fear something at the same time. Love and fear are totally different vibrations of energy that are not compatible. Fear operates on a lower denser vibration while love is on a higher faster more dynamic frequency.

Moreover, these same "religious patriots" also declare Capitalism to be based on the Christian values and principles of hard work and virtuous labor. Yet Capitalism teaches that greed and the accumulation of wealth is a GOOD thing, and encourages self-interest as a primary motivator of the free enterprise system. But on the other hand, the Bible teaches that greed is a BAD thing and leads to sin and destruction, which is taught in many examples and parables in the Bible. As Jesus said, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Though Bible verses can be interpreted in different ways, there is no question that greed is taught to be a bad thing in the Bible. So again we have two mutually exclusive values. Yet these religious patriots don't see it or reconcile it. They are under mass mind control too, and are not as free as they think they are.

Here's another oddity. We are taught in schools that man arouse from Evolution and random mutations of nature. Yet we have "In God We Trust" on the dollar bill, the swearing of Bibles in the courtroom, the words "one nation under God" in the pledge of allegiance, and virtually all politicians and US Presidents professing to believe in God (since Atheists can't get elected). And good citizens are expected to go to church too. Another Orwellian double think?

You gotta remember that religion was set up not to free you, but to contain you. And authority is set up to control people, not to serve them. This is why fascist religions like Christianity and Islam constantly seek to convert and dominate others, both in their homeland and abroad, for that is the inherent nature of fascism and tyranny. It's all about control and conquest, not just of lives, but of minds as well.

Religion limits and closes your mind into a rigid belief system that EDITS OUT any new information that doesn't fit into it. It restricts you from seeing reality and others the way they are, removing objectivity and clarity of thought. Yet you are sold the opposite, that religion will "free you". If that isn't mind control and brainwashing, then I don't know what is.

Learn to free your mind, and you will recognize anything in disguise that tries to enslave and control you, and see through their lies.

For more on how Christianity and other fascist religions are used as mass mind control, listen to David Icke's dissertation on it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8zohMUaUog
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Postby jamesbond » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:08 pm

Holy elephant shit! That was a good expose on the American culture. I heard a story on the news a few years ago that said 80% of Americans HATE their jobs! We spend most of lives working and most of us hate our jobs. So, we spend most of our lives doing something we hate! No wonder why so many people can't wait to retire!

As far the social atmosphere goes, your right, your supposed to "magically" get a social life going in a country where the people tend to be unfriendly and anti-social. Talking to strangers is considered "socially unacceptable." Striking up conversations with women in public and the women will label you as a "creep" and a "stalker."

So just is a guy supposed to meet women in the US? Well, he needs to either meet them through his friends or at bars and clubs. Good luck with the bars and clubs, as they tend to filled with bitchy women (not to mention the music is loud, it's crowded and usually the men outnumber the women).

No wonder why tv shows and movies are so popular in the US. People need an outlet from their boring lives and movies and tv shows certainly do that for a lot of people! :D
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Postby Winston » Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:18 pm

Great analysis Jamesbond!

I think a lot of Americans if you ask them, will say they love their job, but out of those, most of them are saying it because they are trying to PROGRAM or HYPNOTIZE themselves into liking their job, so they can tolerate it and get through the day. Deep down they may hate it, but they are trying hard to convince themselves that they like it, so they can tolerate it! It's so sad when you have to fake something just to get through the day!

People are frustrated and miserable, so the TV provides a temporary escape, as well as a form of mind control for the elite. In the past, they had armies to control people. Now they can just use subliminal programming through your tube! As Winston Churchill once said, "The empires of the future are the empires of the mind."
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Re: 3 Catch-22's in America you're not supposed to be aware

Postby ladislav » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:20 pm

1) You are taught that freedom is the epitome of human life, that it's worth dying for even, hence Patrick Henry's legendary quote "Give me liberty or give me death". Freedom is your "inalienable right", which is declared in the US Constitution.

Yet on the other hand, you are also taught that one MUST submit to corporate slavery, aka employment,


But you are not legally obliged to work for them. You can start your own business and do your own thing. You can become a freelancer. You also do not have to work for corporate structure. You can work for the government. And you can quit any time you want.
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Re: 3 Catch-22's in America you're not supposed to be aware

Postby Winston » Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:39 pm

ladislav wrote:
1) You are taught that freedom is the epitome of human life, that it's worth dying for even, hence Patrick Henry's legendary quote "Give me liberty or give me death". Freedom is your "inalienable right", which is declared in the US Constitution.

Yet on the other hand, you are also taught that one MUST submit to corporate slavery, aka employment,


But you are not legally obliged to work for them. You can start your own business and do your own thing. You can become a freelancer. You also do not have to work for corporate structure. You can work for the government. And you can quit any time you want.


Yeah but MOST people can't do that. And the government is a hierarchical structure too, like the corporation, just with less pressure to perform highly. The system is set up so that MOST people have to submit to slavery and servitude for an organization, whether corporate or governmental. You know that. Otherwise, you are punished with poverty and become a bum. The system pressures you into it. Most have no choice, otherwise they'd quit. That's obvious.

Ladislav, we are talking NORMS, not exceptions. Why do you forget that? Exceptions always exist. But we are talking about what's true for MOST people. And MOST people cannot just work for themselves and make a living that way. Even those that can, achieve it after a long process. It's not instantaneous. The effect on MOST people reflect the kind of system it is.
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big mamas and racism

Postby starkeep » Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:09 am

8) There are some big fat white mamas out there. Sure enough i am try ing to smile and the big mama had to have the race problem with someone
from the orient. I had to tell here i didnt want to hear that. Some people in our western society are very racist and sarcastic. Two things i cant stand about the usa. My best revenge is to walk around with some one good and as soon as big mama opens her mouth shove it in with a few remarks about
her blubber and needing a harpoon. I think caucasian women are very jealous of foreign women and are jealous as hell entitlement queens.
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Re: 3 Catch-22's in America you're not supposed to be aware

Postby Free » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:51 pm

Winston wrote:
1) You are taught that freedom is the epitome of human life, that it's worth dying for even, hence Patrick Henry's legendary quote "Give me liberty or give me death". Freedom is your "inalienable right", which is declared in the US Constitution.


Yes. Thus my username and signature. ;)

People know of the obvious larger freedoms, but what are also key are the smaller ones.
Say the freedom to walk around in a culture with rag clothes you so desire and either not actually be judged (freedom), or be strong enough within yourself to ignore the idea that you may have people judging you whether they are or not (freedom).

Or, if you live with other people and you wake early in the morning but you have to be super quiet (which is not realistic as life naturally has items fall, make noise, etc.) so as not to wake them, you don't have the freedom from the anxiety of waking them (whether you actually do so or not).
Or have to follow their rules, etc.

Seriously, the list could go on and on. Some things are just part of life, but many can be changed. The above two examples: you could move to a culture, most likely non-western, where they judge you less and you can wear whatever you want (within obvious limits of course), or develop a rock hard "I don't care" attitude while in your western land with the many judgemental people.
The second example, gain more freedom by obtaining more money and move out on your own. Make all the noise you want, walk around naked or whatever your heart so desires. Freedom!

What about freedom just to go up to people and easily talk to them? Freedom in that case to simply meet more people, freedom from the anxiety of potentially getting snubbed off, in a fight, depressed, frustrated, etc.

What about freedom to get your fill of females when you so desire? Certainly less of that freedom in several western lands.

What about freedom from having to over-analyze all this stuff?!

Ah, freedom!
Yes indeed, if one is to be a prisoner by all of these things and more, then, in ways, might as well not even be alive.
"Give me freedom or give me death."

I think many people notice the lack of freedom in the big areas of life (money, being married, locked in a miserable job - of which job dissatisfaction is a leading cause of death, tyrannical countries, etc), but they overlook the finer ones that can be just as imprisoning.
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Re: 3 Catch-22's in America you're not supposed to be aware

Postby momopi » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:20 pm

Winston wrote:Yeah but MOST people can't do that. And the government is a hierarchical structure too, like the corporation, just with less pressure to perform highly. The system is set up so that MOST people have to submit to slavery and servitude for an organization, whether corporate or governmental. You know that. Otherwise, you are punished with poverty and become a bum. The system pressures you into it. Most have no choice, otherwise they'd quit. That's obvious.

Ladislav, we are talking NORMS, not exceptions. Why do you forget that? Exceptions always exist. But we are talking about what's true for MOST people. And MOST people cannot just work for themselves and make a living that way. Even those that can, achieve it after a long process. It's not instantaneous. The effect on MOST people reflect the kind of system it is.


1. We should not assume that the majority of American workforce work for either the government or some large corporation. According to the SBA (Small Business Administration), Small business in the US account for:

- Just over half of all private sector employes
- Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
- Generated 64 percent of net new jobs over the past 15 years.
- Created more than half of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).
- Hired 40 percent of high tech workers
- Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.
- Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and produced 30.2 percent of the known export value in FY 2007.
- Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms

I used to work for a multi-national fortune 500 corp with 12,000 employees. Now I work for a small business with just 30 employees. Smaller company means the "CEO" wears jeans and gets on his knees with a screwdriver when needed, and the "CIO" is a one-man team who's also the server admin, DBA, data security, reporting, laptop repair, and whatever else I throw at him. I also shoot rubber bands at my manager when I'm bored. Hmf, it's past my time to go home.

My immigrant parents are blue-collar workers and lived in the US for 20 years, before retiring back to Taiwan. They worked in restaurants and supermarkets, then opened 3 restaurants and 1 retail store. The restaurants that we owned were all small business with 10-20 employees each.

Just as there are people who work in a cubical, there are many others who work in a kitchen, small factory, driving a truck, import/export, and so on. For many first generation immigrants lacking in language skills, their default option is to open a restaurant, because they can cook.


2. There are many, many options for self-employement, or becoming a private contractor. I've employed the services of self-employed persons many times, mobile scratch/dent repair guy to fix dings on the car, glass repair guy to re-surface glass, windshield repair guy to replace cracked windshield, gardener, pool service, carpet cleaning, painter, real estate agent, property manager, cleaning service, etc. etc. All of them are individuals who work out of their car, truck, or van. They have no "boss" other than themselves.

If you're unwilling to invest time and effort in acquiring the skills necessary to become self-employed, and expect instant gratification & economic independence, good luck -- try a lotto ticket.
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Postby momopi » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:30 pm

For those interested in starting a small side business with $20 on the weekend, here's an idea for you:

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This is the Novus plastic polish and scratch remover. You can buy a set of 3 for less than $20 online. It's a great product for restoring old, yellowed, & worn auto headlight covers. All you need is the 3 bottles, some clean towels (buy clean cotton and microfiber towels in 60-pack bulk at Costco), and elbow grease.

There are many other uses for this product, you can read the list here:
http://www.novuspolish.com/

Sign up with Vista Print:
http://www.vistaprint.com/

Wait a week and you'll get all kinds of discount e-mails from Vista Print, and order your custom business cards cheap.

Now go walk around parking lots and look for cars with worned headlight covers, and leave a business card or flyer on their windshield. Offer to clean and repair the scratches on their worn headlight covers to restore clarity for better and safer driving at night. Use some catchy slogan like "Seeing and Being Seen is critical to Safety!" "Dirty headlights can significantly reduce visibility at night!".

Auto headlight covers costs $50-$100 each. If it's listed as $70, it'd be $85 with tax + S/H. Offer to clean and restore both headlight covers for the low, low price of only $29.95 and help them save money and bring peace of mind to their families. While you're at it, you can up-sell other products and services, such as a can of plastic cleaner and protectant spray, buy now and get 2 free microfiber towels, etc.

Watch some "made for TV" product ads or the Home Shopping Channel and learn how to sell.

You'd probably make your initial investment back with just 1 sale. Cash and carry business (cough cough taxes are optional). Good luck!


p.s. you can get some experience by going to your local junkyard and practice on junked cars. After you become more experienced working on headlight covers, you can expand into other areas:

Plastic Storm Windows & Skylights
Boat Windows & Fiberglass
Auto Interiors, Gauges, Chrome, & Acrylic Paint
Collapsible Windows on Convertibles & Sport Utility Vehicles
Motorcycle Windscreens, Visors, Fairings & Helmets
Snowmobile Windshields, Helmets, & Hoods
Turntable Dust Covers, Stereo Faceplates
Compact Discs, Video Laser Discs, & CD ROM's
Acrylic Hot Tubs & Spas
Acrylic, Fiberglass or Cultured Marble Tubs, Showers & Counters
Microwave Oven Doors, Decorator Acrylic Refrigerator Panels
Acrylic Aquariums
Telephones, Pagers, Scanners
Acrylic Trophies & Awards
Plastic Display Cases & Signs
Gauges & Instrument Control Panels
Safety shields & Goggles
Airplane Windows
Salad Bar Sneeze Guards
Video Games, Pinball Machines & Jukeboxes
Copiers and Fax Machines
Acrylic Furniture
Cash Registers & Calculators
Emergency Vehicle Light Bar Lens Covers
Acrylic on Tanning Beds
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Postby Winston » Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:04 pm

Here is a Fourth Catch-22 I just added:


4) You are told by many patriotic God fearing Americans that "America is the land of the free and the epitome of freedom" yet that it is also "a Christian nation" or at least based on Christian ethics and values.

Though there is debate over whether the Founding Fathers were Christians or Deists, America is still seen by many as being founded on Christian principles and ideals, which are ingrained in our culture, ethics and morals.

Yet the slightest cursory glance at the Bible and Christian faith reveals that it is inherently fascist in nature. The Bible teaches that if you do whatever you want or live your life however you want, you are living in sin and rebellion against God. Throughout the Bible, the message is that if you don't obey God and follow his commandments, you will be punished and damned. The Christian message is that freedom is evil, while obedience and giving your life and will to God is good. Likewise, in fascist Nazi Germany, anyone who didn't obey was shot or imprisoned. Dissension was not allowed. Fear of punishment was the motivator. Therefore, Christianity is essentially a "fascist religion".

Christianity and Fascism share the following core attributes:

a) Obey or be punished.
b) No independent thoughts. Must think with the hive.
c) No tolerance for dissension or free speech.
d) Your God or dictator is to be feared, for fear keeps you in line and protects authority.
e) The use of fear and guilt as psychological control mechanisms.
f) The view that the individual is weak and powerless, and his/her life is without purpose, unless aligned to serve a "higher power" (e.g. God, tyrant or dictator).

Now this isn't to say that Jesus himself was a fascist. Assuming he existed (which is not a proven fact), he could very well have been a well meaning person spreading a good spiritual message to help people. It's what the Church and elite power structure DID with his name and the religion around him that they established that turned Christianity into a fundamentalist religion and a fascist form of control over others.

So anyway, how can you believe in religious fascism and a "land of the free" at the same time?! How can you deem freedom as the highest value yet preach a religion where freedom is considered evil and obedience to God is the only good? How can you claim the right of free speech yet support a religion that doesn't allow dissension? You can't. It's a total contradiction. Yet they preach it nonetheless. It's another example of Orwellian "double think". Therefore, living with the ideals of freedom and fascism at the same time is a Catch-22.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. When you look deeper, the contradictions become even more numerous.

For example, how can you support the American value of individualism and at the same time the Christian belief that the individual is nothing unless he/she submits to the Christian God and obeys him? If you truly believed in individual free will, you cannot endorse the punishment of individuals who freely choose not to surrender to the "hive mentality" of the Christian Church. There's no way around it if you think about it. (but then again you are not meant to think about it, only to obey all that you are told)

Furthermore, as the Apostle Paul said in his Epistles (Romans 6), we are "slaves to sin" before accepting Christ. But once you accept Christ and start following God's commandments, you are "set free" from sin and become "slaves to righteousness" as Paul put it. In other words, when you are free, you are "slaves to sin", but when you submit your will to God and give up your freedom, then you are "set free from sin"! How can you be "set free" by submitting to fascism?! What could be more ridiculous than that?! Golly. The mind control here couldn't be more obvious.

Also, how can you preach the "love of God" and the "fear of God" at the same time? You can't love and fear something at the same time. Love and fear are totally different vibrations of energy, as the Schuman Cavity in science reveals, that are not compatible. Fear operates on a lower dense vibration while love is on a higher faster more dynamic frequency.

Moreover, these same "religious patriots" also declare Capitalism to be based on the Christian values and principles of hard work and virtuous labor. Yet Capitalism teaches that greed and the accumulation of wealth is a GOOD thing, and encourages self-interest as a primary motivator of the free enterprise system. But on the other hand, the Bible teaches that greed is a BAD thing and leads to sin and destruction, which is taught in many examples and parables in the Bible. As Jesus said, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Though Bible verses can be interpreted in different ways, there is no question that greed is taught to be a bad thing in the Bible. So again we have two mutually exclusive values. Yet these religious patriots don't see it or reconcile it. They are under mass mind control too, and are not as free as they think they are.

You gotta remember that religion was set up to contain, not to free. And authority is set up to control people, not to serve them. This is why fascist religions like Christianity and Islam constantly seek to convert and dominate others, both in their homeland and abroad, for that is the inherent nature of fascism and tyranny. It's all about control and conquest, not just of lives, but of minds as well.

Religion limits and closes your mind into a rigid belief system that EDITS OUT any new information that doesn't fit into it. It restricts you from seeing reality and others the way they are, removing objectivity and clarity of thought. Yet you are sold the opposite, that religion will "free you". If that isn't mind control and brainwashing, then I don't know what is.

Learn to free your mind, and you will recognize anything in disguise that tries to enslave and control you, and see through their lies.

For more on how Christianity and other fascist religions are used as mass mind control, listen to David Icke's dissertation on it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8zohMUaUog
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Postby polya » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:58 am

People are so brain-washed they don't know thay are enslaved. Just carry marijuana 3 times & see what happens when you are caught (3 strikes) - is this freedom?? I'm not for drugs, I just think the laws are too tough. Financially people are enslaved to work a terrible job, that gets harder each year. Theres little hope of improving your career as the good jobs are given to friends and family (see George Bush - how did he become president??).
Money enslaves us, as its all based on debt - just look at the film "The money masters" - how when you buy a house, the bank creates money out of thin air & you must spend your life re-paying it - with interest. The govt can just take your house for not paying a fine. This is a terrible catch 22 & people are ignorant (told they are free)...
"Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal... If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters." Cato the Elder
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Postby momopi » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:30 pm

polya wrote:People are so brain-washed they don't know thay are enslaved. Just carry marijuana 3 times & see what happens when you are caught (3 strikes) - is this freedom?? I'm not for drugs, I just think the laws are too tough. Financially people are enslaved to work a terrible job, that gets harder each year. Theres little hope of improving your career as the good jobs are given to friends and family (see George Bush - how did he become president??).



I can't speak for where you live, but in CA all you need is a MMC (medical marijuana card) and you can carry personal use cannibus and grow your own at home:
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/mmp/Pag ... ogram.aspx

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The marijuana dispensing operations got a bit out of hand here and the cities started imposing restrictions. But look in the back of um.. LA Weekly or OC Weekly and you'd find ads for dispensing shops that have a "doctor" on duty to get you a MMC. ;p As I understand it, medical pot is legal in 14 states plus District of Columbia (Washginton DC):

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/medical- ... ington-d-c


polya wrote:Money enslaves us, as its all based on debt - just look at the film "The money masters" - how when you buy a house, the bank creates money out of thin air & you must spend your life re-paying it - with interest. The govt can just take your house for not paying a fine. This is a terrible catch 22 & people are ignorant (told they are free)...


Mortgages are 15 & 30 years, but the average length of home ownership is something like 10.5 years (my data may be out of date). Thus, obviously people are not paying off their homes.

If you bought a house with 15 year fixed rate loan, stayed and paid it off over 15 years, you wouldn't spend your life paying the mortgage. If you cannot afford the 15 year payments, you can still do 30 year fixed rate loan with 52-week repayment schedule (26 bi-weekly payments) instead of 12-month (12 monthly payments), in which case you pay off the home in 22 years instead of 30.

There are many ways to protect your property, the cheapest and easiest is decalration of homestead (varies by State). In the State of California you can receive homestead protection from $75,000 up to $175,000. You can also place your home in a trust, or other method of asset protection. DISCLAIMER: I'm not a certified financial consulant or legal professional, please consult with a paid professional if you need assistance.
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Postby Winston » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:51 pm

A medical marajuana card? How hard is that to get? Aren't there stringent requirements?

Otherwise, every pot smoking hippie would have one.

Momopi, why are you afraid to acknowledge the fact that the Fed scams us and creates money out of thin air? Is it cause you fear or worship authority? Why can't you just tell it like it is?

You do know that the Fed is a private bank, never audited by the government, don't you?

It's a total scam and hijacking of our country.

Maybe you feel that you can't do anything about it, so you don't bother to acknowledge it?
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Postby momopi » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:32 pm

Winston wrote:A medical marajuana card? How hard is that to get? Aren't there stringent requirements?
Otherwise, every pot smoking hippie would have one.
Momopi, why are you afraid to acknowledge the fact that the Fed scams us and creates money out of thin air? Is it cause you fear or worship authority? Why can't you just tell it like it is?
You do know that the Fed is a private bank, never audited by the government, don't you?
It's a total scam and hijacking of our country.
Maybe you feel that you can't do anything about it, so you don't bother to acknowledge it?



1. Go to a medical MJ dispenser with doctor on duty and say um, you suffer from "frequent, chronic pains". Fork over some $$ and viola!

2. All modern central banks create money ex nihilo.

3. Don't like the Federal Reserve? Stop using the dollar! There are some 178 currencies around the world. You can start here:
http://www.everbank.com/001Currency.aspx

4. Kids in sandbox use tactics like "you're just afraid to eat the earthworm!".

5. I don't pray or worship.

6. Who told you the Federal Reserve has "never been audited by the government"? Last I checked, GAO is still in the legislative branch of the government.

Read: http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flahe ... erty6.html
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Postby Winston » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:22 am

Momopi,
The US Congress is talking about auditing the Fed, but is having trouble passing the bill. Ron Paul talks about it all the time. Go ahead and google "audit the Federal Reserve".

It's never been audited. Ever. See what the US Congress said.

See these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... serve&aq=0

If you don't worship authority, then you must fear it right? Why else are you afraid to call the Fed a scam? You are too smart to not be able to recognize scams, even by high level institutions of the establishment.

In another thread, you admitted that the CIA is involved in drug trafficking and has been for years (probably to fund black ops projects?) but the police can't arrest the CIA of course since they are higher up. But you wouldn't dare call the CIA a criminal organization right? But since they are protected by the shadow government elite, anything they do cannot be technically a "crime" right except if you go by humanitarian terms.

Your thoughts on that?
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