Closed Cliquish Cultures vs. Open Inclusive Cultures

[Slick]

Winston grew up in a suburb of San Francisco and absolutely hated it. He had no friends and no social life. The people were very unfriendly and anti social. Are you saying the people in the bay area appear friendly to you? How are the women there, are they approachable?

If you're not married and/or have children, you'll have no social life in the suburbs regardless where you go. This is why I stick to urban areas. Just check out what Roosh wrote about the suburbs I highly agree with him.

People in the Bay Area these days are way more approachable than where I live. There's lots of nice people where I live but they keep to themselves and don't open up to strangers (You get my point). Which is one of the reasons why I want to leave Northern Nevada. Also, there's not much to do unless you want to gamble away your bank account and have it donated to the casinos. There's lots of outdoor opportunities where I live but I'm more of a city person. Architecture and man-made structures inspires me and keeps me going (you know what I mean) but I hardly get any of it where I live, which is why I'm drawn to San Francisco. If I can't expat, I'm going to the bay area.

[jamesbond]

If you're not married and/or have children, you'll have no social life in the suburbs regardless where you go. This is why I stick to urban areas. Just check out what Roosh wrote about the suburbs I highly agree with him.

Exactly, the suburbs do suck for single people. However, it's very expensive to live in a big city and the crime rate is high in big cities.

[Nailer]

And every single urban area of the U.S. is a huge sausage fest.

I've been everywhere in the U.S. There are actually a few small pockets of anomalous areas that have a good supply of women, but it's still the same shitty social situation, same paranoia about strangers, same requirement that you join a clique to have your existence validated, same feeling of being invisible everywhere you go. Best case scenario is someone will suggest you go hiking some time or you should stop by their work, and then a week later they suddenly can't seem to remember the conversation. It really is a maddening groundhog day experience, and it is like that everywhere in the U.S.

This is basically what making friends or romance is like in America:

Them: "You seem cool, let's hang out some time."
You: "Okay, sounds cool."
Them: "Haha, sucker!"

I thought "American Psycho" was ridiculous when I saw it, but recently I have actually encountered people who see me pretty much every day, who don't recognize me or know who I am.

My curiosity is satisfied and I'm ready to live abroad and see if it really is any different.

[Adama]

And every single urban area of the U.S. is a huge sausage fest.

I've been everywhere in the U.S. There are actually a few small pockets of anomalous areas that have a good supply of women, but it's still the same shitty social situation, same paranoia about strangers, same requirement that you join a clique to have your existence validated, same feeling of being invisible everywhere you go. Best case scenario is someone will suggest you go hiking some time or you should stop by their work, and then a week later they suddenly can't seem to remember the conversation. It really is a maddening groundhog day experience, and it is like that everywhere in the U.S.

This is basically what making friends or romance is like in America:

Them: "You seem cool, let's hang out some time."
You: "Okay, sounds cool."
Them: "Haha, sucker!"

I thought "American Psycho" was ridiculous when I saw it, but recently I have actually encountered people who see me pretty much every day, who don't recognize me or know who I am.

My curiosity is satisfied and I'm ready to live abroad and see if it really is any different.

That's happened to me too. It isn't a matter of them forgetting, at least not in my experience. For me, they were just screwing with me. Fake people. They needed something from me, or they could see that I was putting in a lot of effort and they weren't courageous enough to tell me to my face.

There are a few times where the women said it and really meant it. Unfortunately by that time so many women had pulled my chain with their fake invitations and reneging that I just full on assumed that every girl was pulling this on me.

Not everyone is doing this. Actually this is a good way to weed out crooked women. Only crooked people are doing this. The crooked women think it is fine to just tug your chain and then disappoint you. These are cold and callous at best. But sometimes it is intentional cruelty.

They key is to learn when a girl is for real and when she is a big fake. How do you know? From previous experience, and or you just have to keep on going.

[Nailer]

Great. Maybe next year's potential date will work out. 11 months to go...

[pete98146]

I live in Seattle which is home of the world famous "Seattle Freeze." People are some of the snobbiest in the country. Perhaps it's part and parcel of the having the highest percentage of educated people in the country but man oh man is it a rough place to socialize!!!

Compare and contrast this with our recent trip to Chiang Mai Thailand. Our first night in town, I took my wife to my favorite Italian restaurant and we were quietly sitting enjoying our meals having a nice chat and the lady sitting next to us looked over and said "couldn't help but overhear you and your wife talking and I wanted to get your opinion on something." They were a nice elderly couple from UK on their first trip to Thailand. We had a wonderful conversation!!! At the end of the night we exchanged contact info and as far as I'm concerned we just made a good friend.

Next day, two guys from Belgium come up and say "hey man, we just got into town, can you recommend a good restaurant?" We ran into them a few other times while in CM and they'd always shout out and greet us.

Good chance this would NEVER and I mean NEVER happen in Seattle where it's considered rude to strike up a conversation with the strangers sitting next to you. Sadly, America has become too divided. Everybody walks around with their walls up. When meeting a stranger, they'll have a checklist of things that you need to clear before they engage in any meaningful chat with you.

Haha! Welcome to Seattle!!!! Everybody has an agenda and if your views don't align with my views, BOOM you are the enemy I want nothing to do with you!!! Everybody walks on egg shells these days! What fun is that? Frankly it sucks and it's one of the reasons why I'll move overseas for retirement.

I really do feel that I could meet more friends in Chiang Mai in one week than Seattle in a year. My guess is you could replace Chiang Mai with almost any other city in the world (outside of the US).

[gsjackson]

I live in Seattle which is home of the world famous "Seattle Freeze." People are some of the snobbiest in the country. Perhaps it's part and parcel of the having the highest percentage of educated people in the country but man oh man is it a rough place to socialize!!!

Compare and contrast this with our recent trip to Chiang Mai Thailand. Our first night in town, I took my wife to my favorite Italian restaurant and we were quietly sitting enjoying our meals having a nice chat and the lady sitting next to us looked over and said "couldn't help but overhear you and your wife talking and I wanted to get your opinion on something." They were a nice elderly couple from UK on their first trip to Thailand. We had a wonderful conversation!!! At the end of the night we exchanged contact info and as far as I'm concerned we just made a good friend.

Next day, two guys from Belgium come up and say "hey man, we just got into town, can you recommend a good restaurant?" We ran into them a few other times while in CM and they'd always shout out and greet us.

Good chance this would NEVER and I mean NEVER happen in Seattle where it's considered rude to strike up a conversation with the strangers sitting next to you. Sadly, America has become too divided. Everybody walks around with their walls up. When meeting a stranger, they'll have a checklist of things that you need to clear before they engage in any meaningful chat with you.

Haha! Welcome to Seattle!!!! Everybody has an agenda and if your views don't align with my views, BOOM you are the enemy I want nothing to do with you!!! Everybody walks on egg shells these days! What fun is that? Frankly it sucks and it's one of the reasons why I'll move overseas for retirement.

I really do feel that I could meet more friends in Chiang Mai in one week than Seattle in a year. My guess is you could replace Chiang Mai with almost any other city in the world (outside of the US).

Did you meet up with the long lost Jester in CM? He owes us a few observations of this ilk.

[Adama]

Great. Maybe next year's potential date will work out. 11 months to go...

I think it may be between one and seven opportunities per year.

[droid]

Great. Maybe next year's potential date will work out. 11 months to go...

I think it may be between one and seven opportunities per year.

Lol you guys have to get the hell out of there, don't waste your lives.
I wish I had 'seen' 10-20 years ago.

[pete98146]

I live in Seattle which is home of the world famous "Seattle Freeze." People are some of the snobbiest in the country. Perhaps it's part and parcel of the having the highest percentage of educated people in the country but man oh man is it a rough place to socialize!!!

Compare and contrast this with our recent trip to Chiang Mai Thailand. Our first night in town, I took my wife to my favorite Italian restaurant and we were quietly sitting enjoying our meals having a nice chat and the lady sitting next to us looked over and said "couldn't help but overhear you and your wife talking and I wanted to get your opinion on something." They were a nice elderly couple from UK on their first trip to Thailand. We had a wonderful conversation!!! At the end of the night we exchanged contact info and as far as I'm concerned we just made a good friend.

Next day, two guys from Belgium come up and say "hey man, we just got into town, can you recommend a good restaurant?" We ran into them a few other times while in CM and they'd always shout out and greet us.

Good chance this would NEVER and I mean NEVER happen in Seattle where it's considered rude to strike up a conversation with the strangers sitting next to you. Sadly, America has become too divided. Everybody walks around with their walls up. When meeting a stranger, they'll have a checklist of things that you need to clear before they engage in any meaningful chat with you.

Haha! Welcome to Seattle!!!! Everybody has an agenda and if your views don't align with my views, BOOM you are the enemy I want nothing to do with you!!! Everybody walks on egg shells these days! What fun is that? Frankly it sucks and it's one of the reasons why I'll move overseas for retirement.

I really do feel that I could meet more friends in Chiang Mai in one week than Seattle in a year. My guess is you could replace Chiang Mai with almost any other city in the world (outside of the US).

Did you meet up with the long lost Jester in CM? He owes us a few observations of this ilk.

I didn't meet up with Jester. Maybe next time..

[Mercury]

The problem is people have turned bad. Look at how people treat each other - how dating has become "a game" - what about finding love, or spending your lives together?? Look at the lies people believe how "there's someone for everyone..." Its all lies and I don't think the USA can be turned around easily. People are just too self centered - strangely they've lost their standard of living, lost their future and all they have is the ability to dump on other people. Its a shame the USA chose to decline like Rome or Greece.

It's a horribly sick society indeed! It's even occurring that, when a guy who is by himself approaches and tries to interact with a woman or group of women, they call the police and have him arrested for stalking/harassment! Or even the police department catches a single guy approach and start flirting with a woman on a street surveillance camera and they dispatch officers there, as if dispatching officers to a shooting or bank robbery, to break it up and threaten both with prison. And the police say stuff like; "That is how crimes get planned and started!" It's like it's a capital felony under Federal law, FBI and Homeland Security enforced, punishable by the death penalty and/or 175 years to life in Federal prison, use of deadly force authorized, for guys to interact with women in America! I don't think America can be turned around at all! If all guys suddenly vanished, America would be roaring with laughter, lesbian parties, anti-male signs, and thunderous celebration.

[Mercury]

I live in Seattle which is home of the world famous "Seattle Freeze." People are some of the snobbiest in the country. Perhaps it's part and parcel of the having the highest percentage of educated people in the country but man oh man is it a rough place to socialize!!!

Good chance this would NEVER and I mean NEVER happen in Seattle where it's considered rude to strike up a conversation with the strangers sitting next to you. Sadly, America has become too divided. Everybody walks around with their walls up. When meeting a stranger, they'll have a checklist of things that you need to clear before they engage in any meaningful chat with you.

In the USA, it's like it may as well be a capital felony under Federal law, FBI enforced and punishable by easily 175 years to life in Federal prison and/or the death penalty, to strike up a conversation with the strangers sitting next to you! Literally as in, you strike up a conversation with the strangers sitting next to you, and the entire FBI and Homeland Security will be on your tail as if you were behind even the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing!

Haha! Welcome to Seattle!!!! Everybody has an agenda and if your views don't align with my views, BOOM you are the enemy I want nothing to do with you!!! Everybody walks on egg shells these days! What fun is that? Frankly it sucks and it's one of the reasons why I'll move overseas for retirement.

I really do feel that I could meet more friends in Chiang Mai in one week than Seattle in a year. My guess is you could replace Chiang Mai with almost any other city in the world (outside of the US).

You could easily meet more friends in Manila in one day than you could meet in America in a decade!