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The Adventurous Spirit

What's your story? Discussions your reasons for going abroad.

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The Adventurous Spirit

Postby The_Adventurer » Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:00 am

I decided I wanted to start this new yeat off right. I wanted to get back to my roots of why I left the US nearly three years ago. So last night, on a whim, I went to the airport, bought a ticket and flew to an unknown city to visit a girl. Things got a little rocky to be sure. My Chinese is not very good, and I am totally unfamiliar territory where I don't know the name of a single street. I also left my compter at home. The point, though, is this is an adventure!

I surprised myself with how mch I communicate in Chinese when it becomes absolsutely necessary. It s rarely necessary in Shanghai, but I can say and understand a lot more than even I thought! When I arrived, I couldn't get in contact with my friend. As I rode in the taxi, I saw a big hotel, part of a chain, which I had seen in Shanghai. I asked the driver (this conversation is all in Chinese)

"That room, how much is it? One day how much?" (pointing) "800 Yuan" He replied. "I need a room." I said. "You want to sleep?" He said making a sleeping motion. "I can't call my friend." The driver pulled out his phone, "I can call." "No. I can call, but..." and I made an X motion. 'So you need a room?" He asked. "Yes. I need a room. But I don't ike 800 a day room. I like 300 or 400 a day room" I said. So the driver drove me to a hotel, strangely, the very hotel I stayed in last time I was in this city. He went in with me and talked to the front desk people and helped me get a room for 400. The next morning, the girl picked me up and I am now in her place typing on her computer.

So why is this important? Well, you learn some things when you make moves like this. For example, the girl lives in a massive 3 bedroom apartment, with 2 roommates who went home for the holidays, and they each pay about 400 yuan ($60 USD) per month. I just paid that for one night in a hotel. That makes this place abot $180 per month and it is a very high quality room by western standards. You might be able to get a closet for that in Shanghai. Even in the Philippines one of my 2 bedroom places was about $400 per month and smaller. I had a different one, more local style, for $150 per month, but it was even smaller and of poor construction quality. Everything broke in there every month or so. What does all this mean? Well, I think of a quote I read recently on thi svery site:

The Arab wrote:In the workplace, Americans are Automatons, like soul-less hamsters on a wheel. Fake conversations, no intellectualism, no interest in other countries, peoples, or history.


I originally left America to escape these things, to live a real life. I didn't want to spend it in front of a screen, and I wanted to do what I really wanted to do with my time. Granted, for a spell I was doing that living cheaply in the Philippines, but, seeking more, I moved on to Shanghai and, I think, started to fall into old patterns. This leads me to a question:

ARE WE REALLY OUT OF THE MATRIX?

If we bring our old thought patterns and disfunctions with us, no matter how great the new country is, we rob ourselves of a great new experience. I have seen many posts on here that indicate that many, though they have physically left their country, they are still there mentally and are expecting the same things they would encounter there. So I have been watching for this in myself, and I often find this is true. I often find myself still shocked when women here don't behave as American women would or live in a manner that would be unthinkable in the U.S. I'll use another quote to illustrate:

Wuxi wrote:I worked with a arab immigrant on a joint project recently. He was very shocked at how socially disconnected families are as well as the rate of narcissism in western culture. In addition, the highly dyfunctional nature of western women(promiscuous relationships) was very obvious to him as well. I told him the men in my country only care about making money and the women only care about spending it, he agreed and he appreciated my honesty.


Of course we know it is not like this everywhere, but catch myself still looking for it! Yet it is not a part of the culture in many places. This is why we leave. SO I realize I am not mentally separated from those things I wanted to get away from. For example, in Philippines provinces and in CHina though maybe not Shanghai) a promiscous girl is looked at as being very low. Many girls are so traditional and they get a boyfriend, usually their fist boyfriend, and they plan to keep him for life. They are devastated if the guy leaves them. (It is rarely them leaving the guy) The idea of sleeping around is totally alien to them. Even though I see this, my mind is still stuck in expectations from back home, about life and work.

So I want to make 2011 a very different year. I want to stop pursuing those things that I pursued as part of a habit from my culture and indoctrination. I want to pursue more emaningful things. I want to create more meaningful things. I want to get some freedom back in life and thinking.

Here's to a great 2011!!
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Postby have2fly » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:11 pm

Wow, cheers for deep intellectual thinking. I just think I had the same problem upon arriving to the USA long time ago. I just could not understand why people are so afraid of me and don't want to "make friends" and call me and hang out during the week? Once I move to another country, it will be much easier to go back to my "natural" thinking...
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Re: The Adventurous Spirit

Postby globetrotter » Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:30 am

Terrence wrote:"That room, how much is it? One day how much?" (pointing) "800 Yuan" He replied. "I need a room." I said. "You want to sleep?" He said making a sleeping motion. "I can't call my friend." The driver pulled out his phone, "I can call." "No. I can call, but..." and I made an X motion. 'So you need a room?" He asked. "Yes. I need a room. But I don't ike 800 a day room. I like 300 or 400 a day room" I said. So the driver drove me to a hotel, strangely, the very hotel I stayed in last time I was in this city. He went in with me and talked to the front desk people and helped me get a room for 400. The next morning, the girl picked me up and I am now in her place typing on her computer.

So why is this important? Well, you learn some things when you make moves like this. For example, the girl lives in a massive 3 bedroom apartment, with 2 roommates who went home for the holidays, and they each pay about 400 yuan ($60 USD) per month. I just paid that for one night in a hotel. That makes this place abot $180 per month and it is a very high quality room by western standards. You might be able to get a closet for that in Shanghai. Even in the Philippines one of my 2 bedroom places was about $400 per month and smaller. I had a different one, more local style, for $150 per month, but it was even smaller and of poor construction quality. Everything broke in there every month or so.


Welcome to T3 China, my friend.

Divide all by 7 to get dollars.

A room in most any hotel in T2/3/4 will cost you 368 (very expensive) to 128 Yuan.
168 is the normal, middle class Chinese traveler price.

Now you *can* pay more. I know some places in town that charge 498 Yuan for a huge 3 room suite and a Presidential Suite for 798 to 1998. These are apartments, huge, 4 to 8 rooms, spa, etc.

Local rent is about 1,ooo to 2,ooo for a 850 sq ft house, 5 rooms.
That's 2,000 Yuan PER YEAR.

Maybe 6,000 per year if you want in a new hirise, big apartment, etc.

That's $100 USD per month.

The problem is that in China you need a visa and they are not the USA. Staying illegal very hard, not recommended.

So you need work, a job; they will basically be your visa agency and handle your paperwork for you as you earn a nominal sum.

Then you take your spare time and spare cash - both of which will be in ample supply - and travel and look for social and business opportunities.

I imagine that your average USA J6P could retire on a pathetic US Social Security monthly check of $400 at age 62, move to China, teach 500 hours a year and earn another $1,000 per month. That will bring in enough to have a solidly upper middle class lifestyle in any city up to T3. $400 a month will pay all basic living expenses.

Alternately you could get a PO Box in San Ysidro/San Diego/National City, CA. Live in Mexico, collect SS there and pay Mexico prices.

$400 a month in Baja/TJ would go a very long way and the USA is a $5 taxi fare away.
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