Psychological and emotional effects on American men

[Dark_Sol]

God, everything being written here is true. It drains me to live in this f***ed up society, that deems us evil. I think a lot of times to myself "If everyone sees me as the bad guy, why not be the bad guy?" What is keeping me from going over the edge? We've been f***ed since the day we were born. It's fucken crazy, either I'm being to passive or to aggressive. It's a total mind f**k in this country. I can't talk to a woman normally, cause she instantly looks at me like a rapist.

OTB, I applaud you for writing what has been on my mind and can not say it into words to people who judge me for being a man.

[Teal Lantern]

Okay, so the option of leaving America is the only chance men have at happiness.

It would be very limiting to let happiness hinge on whether or not there's a woman around.
If all else fails, stay in America, buy some land and build your own version of Walden. At least you won't be nagged.
The next best option, living near a major city, is grabbing one of the many fresh-off-the-plane girls arriving regularly or their already here cousins.

Imagine having to shell out thousands of dollars just to have a normal life. Insane? Sure. But it's the reality that western males are faced with. Men have every right to be upset that we are the oppressed, yet we have to be the ones to buy passports, visas, book flights, living accommodations, learn languages, learn currency exchange/value, and ultimately build from nothing in a place far from home. Despite the reward of living in a red pill, non-misandric world, the thought of an inevitable, drastic change just for "being born in the wrong country" alone can be psychologically draining to say the least.

Men have to do these things because that's the only way these things get done. Look at everything around you, from the roof over your head, the indoor plumbing, paved streets, to electric power. That's the way most of civilization's problems have been solved, by men. Contrary to claims that women hold society together, if men had sat around waiting for women to build it, you'd still be living in a forest, eating uncooked grubs, and freezing your @$$ off whenever the weather turned.

[NorthAmericanguy]

Crazy, I just met this guy who works at a large supermarket who is only 22 and he told me he almost lost his job because a woman reported him to the management and said that he was harassing her.


According to the young gentlemen, he was taking a stroll on the grounds during his break and decided to strike up a conversation with a young female in a polite/civil manor who he thought was good looking. The woman said she was married and he said, "ok, have a nice day" and left it at that.

He then goes into work the next day and he's reprimanded by the manager and told not to talk/flirt with the women anymore.


This gentleman and myself talked a bit more and eventually came to the same frustrating conclusion that dating in America SUCKS because not only do women NEVER approach men, but women all too often run to the authorities every time men try to approach them romantically.

[djfourmoney]

I am still trying to figure out why things like this are still debatable issues...

Men have the option of looking for non-American Woman outside of Anglosphere of direct influence. Then I see fear mongering from don't pick a woman that speaks English fluently to not bring her back to America like she'd be a victim of bodysnatchers or something.

If you're in school you should really question what "education" is really bringing "value" to your life.

I think its an excuse anyway because you can always transfer to a country and continue your education there.

As I keep saying this is paralysis by analysis. Stop thinking about it, DO IT.

Okay, so the option of leaving America is the only chance men have at happiness. It helps to vent on these forums though. Imagine having to shell out thousands of dollars just to have a normal life. Insane? Sure. But it's the reality that western males are faced with. Men have every right to be upset that we are the oppressed, yet we have to be the ones to buy passports, visas, book flights, living accommodations, learn languages, learn currency exchange/value, and ultimately build from nothing in a place far from home. Despite the reward of living in a red pill, non-misandric world, the thought of an inevitable, drastic change just for "being born in the wrong country" alone can be psychologically draining to say the least.

The time to vent is largely over IMHO because there are thousands of web post, videos, news stores and other stuff to prove you're not crazy and that Misandry is a reality. Yes the mainstream media largely ignores it because the majority of network TV is watched by women.

Learning languages is largely overrated. If you go to a country and stay, you'll be forced learn some of the language by default. Most countries offer language course for free, why do you have to learn before going???

It cost about $450-$500 a month to stay in a hostel. You can find some short term rentals on Craigslist. Currency info is on xe.com

I wasn't born in the wrong country the country was largely on the right path but there was a major shift after WW2. The Elite crushed workers rights and civil rights movements but allowed Feminism to come to the fore, why? Because they figure they could destroy the Black Community in the process without being called racist or bigots.

In other words the country started moving Center Right despite all the screaming coming from Conservatives about socialism which are lies. The only socialism going here is to the Financial sector.

Change has never been a problem for me, for others its almost seems life threatening. I personally don't have time for those sort of people anymore, they slow me down. My best friend complained constantly about his wife and wanted to divorce her but because of the children he didn't want too. Well they liked each other enough to have a third child after the last one I had been born some 15 years ago.... He is trapped. Why because I said he should make a clean break, use his foreman experience go work some of these big infrastructure going on in Europe and Asia. But nooooo he was scared to change and dug himself an even deeper hole.

What that tells me is that complaining is largely unproductive. Complaining is worthless unless something productive comes from it. You can help change America, but I don't have time for that. I have made the calculations, looked at other movements in the US and around the world and what it tells me is any real change that you can see and feel takes at least a decade to happen, if not longer.

Health Care Reform is something they have been working on since FDR to give you an example, close to 70 years.

Sorry B but I don't have that kind of time to waste anymore, its either do now and don't do it at all and keep working towards my goal until its done. Finding a suitable woman to be my wife will take less time than trying to re-imagine society...

Those are your choices...

[zboy1]

Crazy, I just met this guy who works at a large supermarket who is only 22 and he told me he almost lost his job because a woman reported him to the management and said that he was harassing her.


According to the young gentlemen, he was taking a stroll on the grounds during his break and decided to strike up a conversation with a young female in a polite/civil manor who he thought was good looking. The woman said she was married and he said, "ok, have a nice day" and left it at that.

He then goes into work the next day and he's reprimanded by the manager and told not to talk/flirt with the women anymore.


This gentleman and myself talked a bit more and eventually came to the same frustrating conclusion that dating in America SUCKS because not only do women NEVER approach men, but women all too often run to the authorities every time men try to approach them romantically.

Wow, that's a fu*ked up story! I feel bad for the dude.

[ladislav]

The other thing that is just as bad is that you are also not allowed to make friends with other men, either. Say, in a conservative Arab country, you would not be able to flirt with women but at least you could socialize with guys, eat, smoke hookah pipe, etc. In the US if you are a man, and if you ask a guy to go hang out and have coffee, you are fag hitting on a man. So, no women, no male friends either. Just stay home and jack off.
I don't like to complain but that is an honest truth. Like when I was in Saudi, I could not meet women, but I could go to a local Egyptian tea room and hang out with a whole bunch of Egyptian workers, drink tea and smoke a hubbly bubbly or play majong.

[All_That_Is_Man]

The other thing that is just as bad is that you are also not allowed to make friends with other men, either. Say, in a conservative Arab country, you would not be able to flirt with women but at least you could socialize with guys, eat, smoke hookah pipe, etc. In the US if you are a man, and if you ask a guy to go hang out and have coffee, you are fag hitting on a man. So, no women, no male friends either. Just stay home and jack off.
I don't like to complain but that is an honest truth. Like when I was in Saudi, I could not meet women, but I could go to a local Egyptian tea room and hang out with a whole bunch of Egyptian workers, drink tea and smoke a hubbly bubbly or play majong.

Luckily I have not run into much of this extreme. I prefer to hang out at the bar with the boys (a nickname I call my friends - not "the boys" in a Village People kinda way, haha) rather than associate with any American female at all, and so this is how I spend my social life. I noticed that the "fag" comments or any shaming language about sexuality only come from women anyway, since they are jealous that you are having a good time without their bullsℎit or their approval. There was a time when I used to go to bars to specifically approach women, but there is no benefit to doing this in America. Now, I actually LOVE going to bars because American women are invisible to me. The only exception is if she approaches me and/or is DTF - even so, this is usually from women here from out of town.

[djfourmoney]

The other thing that is just as bad is that you are also not allowed to make friends with other men, either. Say, in a conservative Arab country, you would not be able to flirt with women but at least you could socialize with guys, eat, smoke hookah pipe, etc. In the US if you are a man, and if you ask a guy to go hang out and have coffee, you are fag hitting on a man. So, no women, no male friends either. Just stay home and jack off.
I don't like to complain but that is an honest truth. Like when I was in Saudi, I could not meet women, but I could go to a local Egyptian tea room and hang out with a whole bunch of Egyptian workers, drink tea and smoke a hubbly bubbly or play majong.

Luckily I have not run into much of this extreme. I prefer to hang out at the bar with the boys (a nickname I call my friends - not "the boys" in a Village People kinda way, haha) rather than associate with any American female at all, and so this is how I spend my social life. I noticed that the "fag" comments or any shaming language about sexuality only come from women anyway, since they are jealous that you are having a good time without their bullsℎit or their approval. There was a time when I used to go to bars to specifically approach women, but there is no benefit to doing this in America. Now, I actually LOVE going to bars because American women are invisible to me. The only exception is if she approaches me and/or is DTF - even so, this is usually from women here from out of town.

A-ha! Going to the bar, how much do you spend????? How many times a week? Since you're with the "fellas" I guess there no women to talk too?

This is money you could be saving.

[jamesbond]

The other thing that is just as bad is that you are also not allowed to make friends with other men, either. Say, in a conservative Arab country, you would not be able to flirt with women but at least you could socialize with guys, eat, smoke hookah pipe, etc. In the US if you are a man, and if you ask a guy to go hang out and have coffee, you are fag hitting on a man. So, no women, no male friends either. Just stay home and jack off.

Sad but true! Trying to meet women in America is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphs!

Trying to make male friends is a little easier but your right, if you ask a guy you don't know very well to hang out with you, he might think you are gay!

[jamesbond]

@Jamesbond

Your right, that is why we are looking abroad to meet women. With foreign women, instead of frowns, you get smiles. Instead of no eye contact, you get eye contact. Instead of no flirting, you get flirting. Instead of getting no phone numbers, you get phone numbers.

EXACTLY! We yearn to be in an environment where acting like a man, by showing signs of interest, flirting, etc., is seen as a compliment and a turn on rather than being perceived as being a pervert or looking desperate. We yearn to be in an environment where our true masculinity can be free to breathe. I hate suppressing my urges to flirt and show a woman I'm attracted to her. I love flirting. But you can't get the ball rolling because most American women, not all, that you see in public will not reciprocate any signs of interest. They'll show signs of paranoia and rigidness quicker than they smile or eye flirt with you.

A study done recently showed that American women are the second least flirtatious women in the world!

For some reason they don't flirt with men or show any signs of interest in men. In fact they do just the opposite, they ignore men and try to avoid making eye contact with men.

This is true with women in all english speaking countries. It's because of feminism (which tells women all men are potential murders and rapists) and the media keeps telling women to "watch out for strange men" and "be careful when your around men."

I also hate suppressing my urges to flirt with women. If I do flirt, the women just ignore me, if I don't flirt I go home thinking, "what could of happened if I did flirt with that girl I saw today at the grocery store."

[S_Parc]

if I don't flirt I go home thinking, "what could of happened if I did flirt with that girl I saw today at the grocery store."

Hmm ... that sort of thinking only leads to stateside misery. A contrapositive to that would be to think that you'd avoided a bullet by not flirting with an AW.

[All_That_Is_Man]

The other thing that is just as bad is that you are also not allowed to make friends with other men, either. Say, in a conservative Arab country, you would not be able to flirt with women but at least you could socialize with guys, eat, smoke hookah pipe, etc. In the US if you are a man, and if you ask a guy to go hang out and have coffee, you are fag hitting on a man. So, no women, no male friends either. Just stay home and jack off.
I don't like to complain but that is an honest truth. Like when I was in Saudi, I could not meet women, but I could go to a local Egyptian tea room and hang out with a whole bunch of Egyptian workers, drink tea and smoke a hubbly bubbly or play majong.

Luckily I have not run into much of this extreme. I prefer to hang out at the bar with the boys (a nickname I call my friends - not "the boys" in a Village People kinda way, haha) rather than associate with any American female at all, and so this is how I spend my social life. I noticed that the "fag" comments or any shaming language about sexuality only come from women anyway, since they are jealous that you are having a good time without their bullsℎit or their approval. There was a time when I used to go to bars to specifically approach women, but there is no benefit to doing this in America. Now, I actually LOVE going to bars because American women are invisible to me. The only exception is if she approaches me and/or is DTF - even so, this is usually from women here from out of town.

A-ha! Going to the bar, how much do you spend????? How many times a week? Since you're with the "fellas" I guess there no women to talk too?

This is money you could be saving.

When I'm at the bar, I typically never spend more than $8.00 on average. I used to be like you and hold on to every penny, but I no longer need to live that way. I've found an outlet here in the States of hanging out with the boys and not giving a damn about what AWs think, and this is total therapy for me until I have a solid plan to travel. I don't see my spendings at the bar as something that hinders me, especially considering that I make fairly decent money in my independent business and contract work. I actually visit the bars about 3 days a week on average, more if I could. I suppose living in the Chicagoland suburbs there really is not much of anything else going on. Plus my friends are there - I'm no longer the loner going to bars in hopes of meeting a "diamond in the rough" Chicagoland female who isn't an emasculative, misandric skank. On an average night, I hang out with the boys and we sing karaoke (also: It's not the alcohol that brings me to the bar. We go only on karaoke nights to sing, so generally some nights I don't spend a penny - e.g. this last Tuesday). As far as "I guess there no women to talk too?", again talking to AWs is no longer my prioritive goal in life since I've discovered how disgusting Chicagoland/midwest females are and have permanently opted out by taking the red pill. There are always AWs at these bars, but unless she approaches me or is just hot as hell and DTF (I never said I wasn't still a man), then I'm not bothered by their absence in my circle of logical, male colleagues. And yes, I am still saving money as we speak. I just no longer torture myself by being a penny pincher when my assured departure date from America is still vastly unknown. (example: Saying, "I might leave in Spring 2013" is not an assured, solid plan at all.)

[NorthAmericanguy]

The other thing that is just as bad is that you are also not allowed to make friends with other men, either. Say, in a conservative Arab country, you would not be able to flirt with women but at least you could socialize with guys, eat, smoke hookah pipe, etc. In the US if you are a man, and if you ask a guy to go hang out and have coffee, you are fag hitting on a man. So, no women, no male friends either. Just stay home and jack off.
I don't like to complain but that is an honest truth. Like when I was in Saudi, I could not meet women, but I could go to a local Egyptian tea room and hang out with a whole bunch of Egyptian workers, drink tea and smoke a hubbly bubbly or play majong.

Quoted for TRUTH!^

And see, this is why when American men go through a divorce they're all alone and are at high risk to commit suicide because when American men get married they get rid of all their male friends and make their wives/ kids the center of their lives. Meanwhile, when women go through a divorce, they still have a thriving social life because they never get rid of their friends.

[NorthAmericanguy]

I noticed that the "fag" comments or any shaming language about sexuality only come from women anyway, since they are jealous that you are having a good time without their bullsℎit or their approval.

That's a true Americunt for ya. They shame men for hanging out and having too much fun with the guys, and they shame men for being too close to their mothers.


At the end of the day, it's all about control. Americunts try to break down a man's connection with his friends and family to make them that much more dependent on them. Once a man fully trust his lady, and once he depends on his woman 100% for a social life, she owns and controls your a**.

These guys are pathetic. These are the men who ask their wives, "Should I get a haircut today dear?", or "I have to check with the Mrs. first before I do that".

[NorthAmericanguy]

To get right to it, this so called culture we live in has taught us to suppress our instinctual desires when it comes to meeting women. It has taught us to act emotionless and rigid when we see a woman that we would like to approach or get to know. How did we learn to behave in such a way? We learned it from how women behave towards men that show interest or would like to show interest in them.

The no signs of interest, the cold, emotionless look on their face that makes you feel like you don't exist, the "don't invade my space" vibe unless I know you me, and the avoidance of eye contact when they clearly see you trying to flirt has had a major impact on our subconscious mind. As a result of this it has become a habit or an automatic response. We see women we find attractive in various places and deep down inside we want to flirt, send signs of interest, and just spark up a friendly conversation with her. WE ALL WANT THAT!

But! We have learned that we shouldn't do that. Our desire to want to show interest has now been subconsciously suppressed and made to stay tucked away instead of being allowed to just come out and be seen. This is what causes so much frustration. We've learned to constantly avoid women that we would like to get closer to and establish a connection with. And this tells our subconscious mind that this is normal. This is not our true behavior. It has become normal behavior because we repeatedly do it. Anything that is done repeatedly becomes a habit. Our minds have learned this pattern. If we see multiple girls and express attraction by eye flirting or smiling we feel like a pervert if they catch you looking. In addition, when they act emotionless and don't reciprocate any interest it makes you feel like why bother even showing any interest. You lose enthusiasm and now you don't approach, smile, or flirt at all. This reaction is repeated whenever you see a girl that catches your eye, in the US, because you've sent the message to your subconscious mind to not approach, flirt, or show any signs of interest. It's really just mirroring their behavior.

So did I say all that to come off like a psychologist? NO! The point I'm trying to make is that the dating scene and trying to establish a connection with girl in this country has psychologically affected a lot of American men . We've learned to be emotionless, rigid, and cold when it comes to showing attraction for a woman which should be the complete opposite. This is a truly sad place to find a woman to love. A place where women act afraid of men and act like they don't exist. And people try to tell you to be optimistic. I hate that. Basting in sexual frustration and constantly suppressing your desire for a woman makes you feel shut down. It's a "whatever" attitude. No emotion. Just whatever. It's no big deal anyway because the pick of woman as we all know is not great at all in this country. That's why we're looking abroad.

I had to come back to this topic because it's very important. What I wanted to add is how women read our frustrations, but yet they say or do absolutely nothing about it.

To me it just proves the point that women are indifferent towards men at best, and at worse, they really don't care about men because if they did they would be sighing up on HA trying to solicit dates with the guys on here.

Now one could argue that it's a mans job to approach women, but why is it that if a male is high status (ie, Justin Bieber) women are no longer shy and are willing to approach the male even at the risk of embarrassing herself?