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HA, Ancient Greece and Rome we're much more BUCKWILD than post-modern Western culture can even handle.abcdavid01 wrote:I absolutely am against gay people. People say what others do in their bedrooms or private life is their concern, but this misses one huge fact. Language is public. Once we accept homosexuality, it changes the messages people send whether they want to or not. It makes it a lot harder for guys to become friends without being thought of as gay. Happier abroad right? Guys in India or Middle Eastern countries can hold hands if they're friends and no one will question their sexuality. We rail against Feminism here, but LGBT Rights are just as much a part of it. That's the simple explanation. I used to think gay people could do whatever they want because it wouldn't affect me. Now I know better. This changed my mind:
http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/a ... 8-07-021-f
WHAT?! I would call myself socially liberal in regards to legalization of drugs and prostitution, in support of gay marriage, and abortion, but even I am repulsed by this. Sooner or later, you're going to see a man win a Miss USA pageant and a women win a Mr Universe bodybuilding contest-totally ignoring the boundaries of gender that exists in all societies. But...who cares about traditional gender roles right?djfourmoney wrote:Confuses who? TS women would identify themselves when asked, but only when they believe you won't react like a moron who feels his sexuality is threaten by just speaking to one.
Judging by the handful of post thus far, a reaction to this was totally predictable. From non-acceptance to borderline homophobia.
Then the tenuous at best connection to the difficulty of largely Caucasian men feeling their pool of available women has been reduced, utter nonsense.
I can easily identify a transsexual and not with the typical big hands, big fore finger, Adam's apple nonsense either. Yet even if I was completely fooled, guess what? You are attracted to the visual appearance of a woman, that is a normal heterosexual reaction.
Men marry, have sex and bare children with mannish looking women all the time, nobody says anything. How do you know a random woman wasn't born inter-sexed or if she had transitioned at a young age with a supportive family; Adopted some children. Who would notice, and why should you care?
If some men accept manly looking women or even transsexuals as legitimate relationship material, who are you as men (I wonder at times) are to question this?
Again she's allowed to compete as a woman in a contest for women, I don't see the problem here.
This is funny because I know what REALLY happens otherwise. Despite all the hot air talk about transsexuals not being born a woman I would argue that the majority of TS are more feminine than genetic women, especially in Western/Anglo culture.
Gender Bending is widely accepted in SEA and South America, more so than in Anglo culture despite the deep Catholicism. This happen in Canada I believe it was last year (TS entering a female beauty pageant).
I guess you never heard the study where a majority of heterosexual men when asked to view some homosexual p**n became turned on by it (hard on)?
Well it was over 70% of men that were excited by this, I guess next you'll try to link it to the shortage of women in Anglo culture.
No the act of Sex itself has a ton of ambiguity around it.
Happy Thanksgiving, no hard feelings just THINK before you speak (type), some of you sound like teenagers.
What's wrong with intolerance? Society is made of intolerance. If we really practiced full moral relativism then there wouldn't be any laws at all. Frankly I think gays should have the rights and freedoms to do as they wish. That doesn't mean I won't recognize it as a detriment to society.djfourmoney wrote:HA, Ancient Greece and Rome we're much more BUCKWILD than post-modern Western culture can even handle.abcdavid01 wrote:I absolutely am against gay people. People say what others do in their bedrooms or private life is their concern, but this misses one huge fact. Language is public. Once we accept homosexuality, it changes the messages people send whether they want to or not. It makes it a lot harder for guys to become friends without being thought of as gay. Happier abroad right? Guys in India or Middle Eastern countries can hold hands if they're friends and no one will question their sexuality. We rail against Feminism here, but LGBT Rights are just as much a part of it. That's the simple explanation. I used to think gay people could do whatever they want because it wouldn't affect me. Now I know better. This changed my mind:
http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/a ... 8-07-021-f
If it REALLY bothers you, you can move down to Alabama or Mississippi the two most intolerant states in the nation. If there is any "questionable" behavior it happens behind closed doors. If that's not an option, you can move to a small village in the Middle East usually ruled by intolerant orthodox Muslims who usually murder gay people on a regular basis. Same goes for a few Africa countries with either an intolerant Christian Fundamentalist controlled Government or the same intolerant and violent Muslim Government found in the Middle East.
This is why socially conservative White men (and some Black men) are in the minority. You could always copy the Duggars and worry about any of this.
You seem to be having an instinctual repulsion, as well you should, but what is the logic behind it? For many centuries these were questions that need not be asked because the answers were self evident. Even the word "homosexual" did not exist until the 19th century. See how this becomes a slippery slope though? We let gays do what they want, then transexuals, then how about bestiality? It is very telling too that most transexuals choose to take on the form of another established gender. They are conforming to traditional gender roles; they are becoming gruesome caricatures of it. If they feel they are "trapped in the wrong body" then why can't they say things like, "I am really two people living in the same body" and justifying Dissociative Identity Disorder? Oh, that person doesn't need help, what wrong with him having a split personality? You're just intolerant. Transexuality is a mental disorder and we ought to treat it that way. The solution now is to carve out surgical wounds to look like the real thing, but it never will be. "I'm a dog trapped in a man's body. I'm going to get a tail surgically grafted onto me and facial reconstruction surgery to look like a dog. I will now walk on all fours and demand everyone call me Fido. Everyone who refuses to do so is intolerant and must be demonized." Argue the difference, moral relativists. Oh, did I offend you? Argue the difference.zboy1 wrote:WHAT?! I would call myself socially liberal in regards to legalization of drugs and p4p, in support of gay marriage, and abortion, but even I am repulsed by this. Sooner or later, you're going to see a man win a Miss USA pageant and a women win a Mr Universe bodybuilding contest-totally ignoring the boundaries of gender that exists in all societies. But...who cares about traditional gender roles right?djfourmoney wrote:Confuses who? TS women would identify themselves when asked, but only when they believe you won't react like a moron who feels his sexuality is threaten by just speaking to one.
Judging by the handful of post thus far, a reaction to this was totally predictable. From non-acceptance to borderline homophobia.
Then the tenuous at best connection to the difficulty of largely Caucasian men feeling their pool of available women has been reduced, utter nonsense.
I can easily identify a transsexual and not with the typical big hands, big fore finger, Adam's apple nonsense either. Yet even if I was completely fooled, guess what? You are attracted to the visual appearance of a woman, that is a normal heterosexual reaction.
Men marry, have sex and bare children with mannish looking women all the time, nobody says anything. How do you know a random woman wasn't born inter-sexed or if she had transitioned at a young age with a supportive family; Adopted some children. Who would notice, and why should you care?
If some men accept manly looking women or even transsexuals as legitimate relationship material, who are you as men (I wonder at times) are to question this?
Again she's allowed to compete as a woman in a contest for women, I don't see the problem here.
This is funny because I know what REALLY happens otherwise. Despite all the hot air talk about transsexuals not being born a woman I would argue that the majority of TS are more feminine than genetic women, especially in Western/Anglo culture.
Gender Bending is widely accepted in SEA and South America, more so than in Anglo culture despite the deep Catholicism. This happen in Canada I believe it was last year (TS entering a female beauty pageant).
I guess you never heard the study where a majority of heterosexual men when asked to view some homosexual p**n became turned on by it (hard on)?
Well it was over 70% of men that were excited by this, I guess next you'll try to link it to the shortage of women in Anglo culture.
No the act of Sex itself has a ton of ambiguity around it.
Happy Thanksgiving, no hard feelings just THINK before you speak (type), some of you sound like teenagers.
These are much smaller in numbers, and they will not have as much clout because the numbers of gays are naturally double- (s)he and (s)he- so there is more activist power than in a he/she and it combination. With zoo-philes, the numbers are half since their dog, horse or sheep cannot become an activist marching, demanding protection plus contributing votes and donations to politicians. Well, maybe marching.How about bestiality?
Yeah and look what happened to them.HA, Ancient Greece and Rome we're much more BUCKWILD than post-modern Western culture can even handle.
Men in general are not interested in beauty pageants, at least straight men aren't. Even so why would that bother you? Do you even watch Miss America, Miss Teen USA, Miss USA, Regional Contest, Mrs America or Miss Universe????zboy1 wrote:WHAT?! I would call myself socially liberal in regards to legalization of drugs and p4p, in support of gay marriage, and abortion, but even I am repulsed by this. Sooner or later, you're going to see a man win a Miss USA pageant and a women win a Mr Universe bodybuilding contest-totally ignoring the boundaries of gender that exists in all societies. But...who cares about traditional gender roles right?djfourmoney wrote:Confuses who? TS women would identify themselves when asked, but only when they believe you won't react like a moron who feels his sexuality is threaten by just speaking to one.
Judging by the handful of post thus far, a reaction to this was totally predictable. From non-acceptance to borderline homophobia.
Then the tenuous at best connection to the difficulty of largely Caucasian men feeling their pool of available women has been reduced, utter nonsense.
I can easily identify a transsexual and not with the typical big hands, big fore finger, Adam's apple nonsense either. Yet even if I was completely fooled, guess what? You are attracted to the visual appearance of a woman, that is a normal heterosexual reaction.
Men marry, have sex and bare children with mannish looking women all the time, nobody says anything. How do you know a random woman wasn't born inter-sexed or if she had transitioned at a young age with a supportive family; Adopted some children. Who would notice, and why should you care?
If some men accept manly looking women or even transsexuals as legitimate relationship material, who are you as men (I wonder at times) are to question this?
Again she's allowed to compete as a woman in a contest for women, I don't see the problem here.
This is funny because I know what REALLY happens otherwise. Despite all the hot air talk about transsexuals not being born a woman I would argue that the majority of TS are more feminine than genetic women, especially in Western/Anglo culture.
Gender Bending is widely accepted in SEA and South America, more so than in Anglo culture despite the deep Catholicism. This happen in Canada I believe it was last year (TS entering a female beauty pageant).
I guess you never heard the study where a majority of heterosexual men when asked to view some homosexual p**n became turned on by it (hard on)?
Well it was over 70% of men that were excited by this, I guess next you'll try to link it to the shortage of women in Anglo culture.
No the act of Sex itself has a ton of ambiguity around it.
Happy Thanksgiving, no hard feelings just THINK before you speak (type), some of you sound like teenagers.
Where is it detriment to society? As you playing into the conservative narrative that children will be shown books with key people being gay inside them?abcdavid01 wrote:What's wrong with intolerance? Society is made of intolerance. If we really practiced full moral relativism then there wouldn't be any laws at all. Frankly I think gays should have the rights and freedoms to do as they wish. That doesn't mean I won't recognize it as a detriment to society.djfourmoney wrote:HA, Ancient Greece and Rome we're much more BUCKWILD than post-modern Western culture can even handle.abcdavid01 wrote:I absolutely am against gay people. People say what others do in their bedrooms or private life is their concern, but this misses one huge fact. Language is public. Once we accept homosexuality, it changes the messages people send whether they want to or not. It makes it a lot harder for guys to become friends without being thought of as gay. Happier abroad right? Guys in India or Middle Eastern countries can hold hands if they're friends and no one will question their sexuality. We rail against Feminism here, but LGBT Rights are just as much a part of it. That's the simple explanation. I used to think gay people could do whatever they want because it wouldn't affect me. Now I know better. This changed my mind:
http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/a ... 8-07-021-f
If it REALLY bothers you, you can move down to Alabama or Mississippi the two most intolerant states in the nation. If there is any "questionable" behavior it happens behind closed doors. If that's not an option, you can move to a small village in the Middle East usually ruled by intolerant orthodox Muslims who usually murder gay people on a regular basis. Same goes for a few Africa countries with either an intolerant Christian Fundamentalist controlled Government or the same intolerant and violent Muslim Government found in the Middle East.
This is why socially conservative White men (and some Black men) are in the minority. You could always copy the Duggars and worry about any of this.
That was strictly lack of leadership and typical Empire crumbling. You also forget Mount Vesuvius took out a bunch of people as well. When the Roman Empire crumbled it was largely do to what was happening among the leadership in heterosexual terms and not the rest of the society.ladislav wrote:She is more feminine than your average horse-jawed English woman. You know the joke about an Englishman walking into a pub- "Hey, nice horse! Actually, it's my wife."
These are much smaller in numbers, and they will not have as much clout because the numbers of gays are naturally double- (s)he and (s)he- so there is more activist power than in a he/she and it combination. With zoo-philes, the numbers are half since their dog, horse or sheep cannot become an activist marching, demanding protection plus contributing votes and donations to politicians. Well, maybe marching.How about bestiality?
Yeah and look what happened to them.HA, Ancient Greece and Rome we're much more BUCKWILD than post-modern Western culture can even handle.