+1Cornfed wrote:No, it is exactly the opposite of that. Why do you think we have the tradition of the father GIVING AWAY his daughter? It is up to HIS family to care for her after they receiver her. You need to just select a good family for your daughter and then piss off.OutWest wrote: As an extension of the family, tribe, and dynasty from which she comes, she would have full obligation to care. love and respect her husband as that is in fact the contract that the son-in-law has made as a new member of my larger family. His reasonable expectations to have a loving and respectful wife are tied directly to his place within the dynasty into which he has married. He would not have acquired some lost pet with witch he may do whatever he pleases. If my daughter's behavior towards her husband was disrespectful, the son-in-law would need to bring this difficulty to the attention of her family for correction. Outwest
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I have to assume it is totally a cultural thing and I think the answer is both ways. My gf talks about my being accepted as a member of her family but also talks about how happy she is that I have accepted her family. But I never considered going to the family if I have a problem with her. I wonder what would be considered a correctable offense?
It is amazing how deeply the cancer of feminism has penetrated people's thinking. Here we have people advocating a matriarchal family tradition whereby the man joins his wife's family. It should be obvious that this is a disastrously dysfunctional way of doing things. Hopefully the global financial system, which is propping up such evil, will soon collapse and all the psychos advocating this will starve to death or be killed by the adherents of functional beliefs. They are enemies of the human race.
Islanders were "matriarchal", that's the only concern I would personally have about marrying into the Philippines. IMO this just means you go to HER family's house for holidays, rather than the man's. Tolerable, and can be pleasant, though not what I personally believe in these days. But I can't imagine being accountable to her dad for whatever.
The expectation among Armenians is that if a young wife goes to her parents and complains, they yell at her, tell her she's wrong to disagree with her husband, and send her home to her husband. First time I encountered this, I thought, gosh, how rigid, maybe the guy was wrong. Now I've learned - marriages and homes are fragile. It's all too easy to be an outside agitator. A husband may be imperfect, but his wife (and children) still deserves an intact home. That's how I look at it these days.
Of course the right island girl in the right sarong could probably get me to reconsider all that.
That's what we would expect any ordinary father in America to say about his AW daughter.
More relevant is whether fathers like you are instilling values and discipline to your daughters, to make them marriage-worthy.
That of course is a worthy goal- to have a daughter raised to be dutiful, feminine and marriage worthy.
The man also should be marriage worthy, rather than just a drooling brute. Why is it that drooling brutes think that
they are somehow OWED respect, and somehow, beatings will bring respect? Beatings may bring fear, but they will not bring respect. Respect requires a man with a vibrant soul and an innate sense of decency, a sense of fair-play and morality. Such men do not need to beat their wives. They pick good women from good families and tend to breed more of the same.
The "I want to beat my wife" group will continue to live alone or in their mother's basement while they crush beer cans on their heads, read porn, post fake pics of themselves on Date in Asia(instead of the grossly overweight behemoth with hairy hands and no neck that they really are.) and spend their time online complaining how they can't find any good wimins that will respect them. Don't they ever realize that they are just looking in the wrong place? They should head down to the local zoo to find their mate...some knuckle dragging degenerate like themselves...that just can't understand why he "Can't get no respect and no wimins eider!"
No one owes you respect. Respect is earned. The drooling brutes group is pretty unlikely to qualify in that department.
I guess I will stick with Dave on this one... so Dave WINS today's prize! That's right, Dave just won 50 rounds of handgun ammunition in the caliber of his choice! Hopefully, he has a 44mag as I have plenty of extra...
Females have no concept of those things and don't respect them, as evidenced by the preference of Western women for scumbags. Proto-people like women, dogs and children only respect strength. If you have the ability inflict punishment and do so with consistent predictability when they misbehave then they will respect you. If not they won't. Any thought that they respect anything else is simply your fantasy and projection. What is more, they want men to put them in their place and relieve them of the burden of freedom, which is grievous for their tiny female minds to bear. Females want to be around strong men who will keep them on the straight and narrow and protect them, not sniveling manginas who make them want to vomit blood by treating them as equals. Your outlook is a recipe for social destruction, as Western regimes have proven. Young men reading the forum should recognize this.
I agree with others that women respect and respond to strength and leadership. But if a guy has to proven his strength or masculinity through brutality and violence, he ain't much of a man. True leaders use their character, intelligence, and skills to lead others. I don't have Outwest's experience in PI, but what experience I have tells me that coming to the Philippines and smacking anyone around is a sure way to end up dead.
One of the lessons the modern West has to teach us is that females and children have no intrinsic ability to recognize and defer to virtue and need the extrinsic motivation of a good assbeating if they step out of line. This is why formerly respected teachers are losing respect once the students realize they can't do anything to them and formerly respected husbands are having their marriages fail once their wives realize they can have the pigs cart them off by making a phone call. It turns out that any supposed virtue you think you have counts for nothing if you don't have the ability to dispense rewards and, more importantly, punishments.
There is a place for for kindness, gentleness, play, etc. We all know that. We all get that. What Cornfed is stating is the part we have FORGOTTEN.
[quote="davewe"]I agree with others that women respect and respond to strength and leadership. But if a guy has to proven his strength or masculinity through brutality and violence, he ain't much of a man. True leaders use their character, intelligence, and skills to lead others. I don't have Outwest's experience in PI, but what experience I have tells me that coming to the Philippines and smacking anyone around is a sure way to end up dead.[/quote
Aw...Dave...not so at all! However, the incidence of swimming accidents tends to spike...those stupid foreigners that come
over here and are so stupid as to go swimming with the Tiger sharks just after I have been chumming the shit out of the
place with pig blood...it's a shame, a damned shame. The least I can do is send back a shark turd to the next of kin....
But is the Philippines (or anywhere in Asia) the place to try to remember?
If someone believes that the best way to conduct a relationship and combat feminism is to beat their wife - well, we would just have to disagree on that.
But for a guy to travel to PI to find such a woman is flat out nuts. You are in a 3rd world country of which you are not a citizen; a country whose police and politics are notoriously corrupt; and whose male citizens are known to gut foreigners for the change in their pocket.
But that's not all. Guys on this thread all but announced their stated goals. So these guys have let it be known on a well used public forum that their belief and goal is to find a woman who can be physically "disciplined."
There are Darwin Award winners with more common sense!!
If we're going to encourage guys to travel, expat and be happier abroad, especially younger guys with less experience, then we should encourage them to conduct themselves in a way that doesn't get them killed and doesn't give all Westerners an even worse rep than we already have.
I doubt anyone here is stupid enough to take a vacation to the phillipines and brutalise random women IN THE PHILLIPINES. We are talking about finding a phillipino woman to make our wife, then taking her back to our home country, treating her with love and respect BUT BEING MAN ENOUGH TO ENFORCE PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE WHEN THE NEED FOR IT ARISES. At least that's what I'm talking about anyway. That's probably the way things were in america in the 1970's and earlier, before women became a protected species via the feminist-extremist police state.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm glad you made your position clearer.
So let me summarize what I think I have heard. You would find a Pinay in PI to fall in love with you and treat her well and promise her family that you will treat her well, because after all you are not "stupid enough" to brutalize women IN THE PHILIPPINES. But then you would begin the Visa process to bring her back home (a lengthy and expensive process which takes nearly a year), bring her to the U.S., marry her, and then ENFORCE PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE (only when needed of course). And you will assume, because you are home and not in the Philippines, where you are not stupid enough to "discipline" her, that you will be safe and can "enforce" her with impunity.
In order to make your plan work, I would encourage you to avoid provincial girls and stick to the Westernized Manila/Cubu girls. Why? Girls from the provinces are much too good with the bolo and you will find yourself on the receiving end of bolo justice.
This notion that these simple Filipinas are meek, submissive girls is hysterical.
Why should anyone not want to declare himself good, responsible husband material?