What should young men be doing in the mean time?

zacb · Post by **zacb** » September 17th, 2013, 1:06 pm

Hey,

I have a few ideas for this question, but I would like your take. I think you should learn a language, maybe a skill (like programming, seo, etc.) , try and save up and maybe invest in real assets you can live off of. Perhaps go to college, visit the places would might want to live, etc. Any thoughts?

kai1275 · Post by **kai1275** » September 17th, 2013, 1:37 pm

Skill up and stack paper. Decrease your expenses and pay the mandatory bills and debts you have. I don't care what your skill is, plumbing, HVAC, IT, etc. get it up as HIGH as you can with professional licenses and certifications.

If you want to use a sure fire way to get out of the country on someone else's dime, become an engineer. Sure, you gotta go to college, but many multinational companies (like Energy and Oil and Gas), BEG people to go work abroad. Getting outside the US, makes it super easier to travel around the world. The company's HR takes care of your paperwork and work visa bullshit, taxes, etc. Engineers that travel get paid higher regardless of experience. Even if they sent you to Saudi or Dubai. That is a shorter trip to Asia or Europe! Many of these companies may even give you an apartment too! Average Engineers with under 5 years experience usually make 65-75K abroad. If any of you ever choose to go this route, holla at me, I might be able to help you find work once you get outta school. Maybe even an internship.

Americans hate travel. Use that to your advantage before trends change.

Review Cliff Notes: Get a real f***ing skill and max it out.

kai1275 · Post by **kai1275** » September 17th, 2013, 1:40 pm

Oh yeah, Petroleum Engineering is not very popular here in the US because probably 60%+ of them must work outside the US. They also get paid the most too.

Some of them with 10+ years of experience and bonuses rake in over 200,000 per year. That isn't including munching off the company's dime either.

tre · Post by **tre** » September 17th, 2013, 1:47 pm

Very good topic and good suggestions.

Kai1275...you are an engineer? What type if you don't mind me asking? I'm not particularly young at 36, but thinking about going back to school and getting a degree in Electrical Engineering. After MUCH thought and research, it seems that Engineering is the way to go if you want to live abroad AND make $$. The only better, higher paid position is upper level management (various types) which requires years of impressive experience. For instance, I know a guy that makes around $300K-$400K working as an upper level F&B Manager of a Casino in Singapore.

zacb · Post by **zacb** » September 17th, 2013, 1:55 pm

kai1275 wrote:Skill up and stack paper. Decrease your expenses and pay the mandatory bills and debts you have. I don't care what your skill is, plumbing, HVAC, IT, etc. get it up as HIGH as you can with professional licenses and certifications.

If you want to use a sure fire way to get out of the country on someone else's dime, become an engineer. Sure, you gotta go to college, but many multinational companies (like Energy and Oil and Gas), BEG people to go work abroad. Getting outside the US, makes it super easier to travel around the world. The company's HR takes care of your paperwork and work visa bullshit, taxes, etc. Engineers that travel get paid higher regardless of experience. Even if they sent you to Saudi or Dubai. That is a shorter trip to Asia or Europe! Many of these companies may even give you an apartment too! Average Engineers with under 5 years experience usually make 65-75K abroad. If any of you ever choose to go this route, holla at me, I might be able to help you find work once you get outta school. Maybe even an internship.

Americans hate travel. Use that to your advantage before trends change.

Review Cliff Notes: Get a real f***ing skill and max it out.

I have thought about this. It seems many people do not particularly like travel. Good idea.

. I thought about it, but never in that particular way. On the topic, there is a book (an I believe it was by loompanics) on the most portable careers. if I find it, i will post the name.

momopi · Post by **momopi** » September 17th, 2013, 2:42 pm

For young men in high school (or young college age), you might want to consider attending a college with strong study abroad program. However, be warned that these schools tend to be liberal arts colleges and do not offer majors such as EE.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-co ... udy-abroad

zacb · Post by **zacb** » September 17th, 2013, 2:57 pm

This is not the one I was thinking of, but here: http://www.edenpress.com/productcart/pc ... 22#details

SilverEnergy · Post by **SilverEnergy** » September 17th, 2013, 3:29 pm

Get some money stacked and INVEST or learn how to start a business.

If you become proficient at real estate, the world is your oyster.

Don't you guys ever think of getting mentors or coaches, instead of asking questions on here?

Start DOING SOMETHING and TAKING ACTION instead of loitering around on these forums.

zacb · Post by **zacb** » September 17th, 2013, 5:17 pm

I am working on skills and such. I just wanted to put that question out there.

Halwick · Post by **Halwick** » September 17th, 2013, 5:54 pm

Well, zacb, as a self-proclaimed "libertarian anarcho-capitalist" who seems to dislike the U.S., its policies, political system and what it represents, you ought to go to a Latin American or Middle Eastern country who feels the same way, learn the language and culture, and hone your skills to be another revolutionary/rebel leader. I'm sure with your knowledge, you will be a welcome asset.

SilverEnergy · Post by **SilverEnergy** » September 17th, 2013, 5:57 pm

zacb wrote:I am working on skills and such. I just wanted to put that question out there.

The people on HA can barely even solve their own problems, they won't be able to help you much on here.

There are really hardly any real solutions to help you on here.

Get a life coach, they'll help you way more than anyone on HA.

zacb · Post by **zacb** » September 17th, 2013, 6:23 pm

There are some on here (Taco,Jester, DJ4money, and a few others I find very insightful). I think I know where I need to be heading for the most part, but think throwing out a question like that can help other people by thinking on the right track.

zacb · Post by **zacb** » September 17th, 2013, 6:36 pm

Halwick wrote:Well, zacb, as a self-proclaimed "libertarian anarcho-capitalist" who seems to dislike the U.S., its policies, political system and what it represents, you ought to go to a Latin American or Middle Eastern country who feels the same way, learn the language and culture, and hone your skills to be another revolutionary/rebel leader. I'm sure with your knowledge, you will be a welcome asset.

Actually, I quite admire what the US ONCE WAS. The only problem is that we are not the classical liberal society that made this country great. We have the highest debt amount in the world, we have continued to become a police state after 9/11, the people are not very agreeable, I am snooped at wherever I go, the cost of everything continues to go up, all the while the cranks at the Fed screw us and our wages more via quantitative easing, we continue to get involved in things that are none of our business, we have a demographic bubble in the making that could cause many problems (I am not talking about race, I am just saying birth rates in general), the income tax is laughable, the capital market is a joke, there are more and more shootings, I can't do with my body what I so please , the dating scene sucks, among other things.

Now as far as South America goes, I would much rather mix Paraguay and Argentina than have to put up with the socialism that is coming, let alone keeping all the socialism we have at bay. And here is the thing: if you like this system fine. Just don't force me to fund it. Jefferson would agree, and would probably kick these authoritarians from power. Basically, you live the way you want, I live the way I want. You can go to church, shoot heroin, and have as many concubines as you want, and I can smoke pot, invest in CFDs, and live as an atheist if I want (I am not an atheist, merely demonstrating a point). Why must you use coercion and force in order to get your way?

Rocky Top · Post by **Rocky Top** » September 17th, 2013, 7:07 pm

kai1275 wrote:Skill up and stack paper. Decrease your expenses and pay the mandatory bills and debts you have. I don't care what your skill is, plumbing, HVAC, IT, etc. get it up as HIGH as you can with professional licenses and certifications.

If you want to use a sure fire way to get out of the country on someone else's dime, become an engineer. Sure, you gotta go to college, but many multinational companies (like Energy and Oil and Gas), BEG people to go work abroad. Getting outside the US, makes it super easier to travel around the world. The company's HR takes care of your paperwork and work visa bullshit, taxes, etc. Engineers that travel get paid higher regardless of experience. Even if they sent you to Saudi or Dubai. That is a shorter trip to Asia or Europe! Many of these companies may even give you an apartment too! Average Engineers with under 5 years experience usually make 65-75K abroad. If any of you ever choose to go this route, holla at me, I might be able to help you find work once you get outta school. Maybe even an internship.

Americans hate travel. Use that to your advantage before trends change.

Review Cliff Notes: Get a real f***ing skill and max it out.

I'm an electrical engineer (9 years experience with a power utility) and I have been putting out resumes with just about every big company imaginable to get me out of here (GE, Baker-Hughes, KBR, etc).

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » September 17th, 2013, 7:41 pm

Solving equations while being sexually frustrated as f**k for four years doesn't sound worth it... especially considering an engineering degree is no longer a guarantee of stable employment.

Most guys would be better off skipping college entirely and working at their local butcher shop after high school.