Why do you think people get all holier than thou with p4p?

zacb · Post by **zacb** » October 7th, 2013, 4:57 pm

I was thinking of heading to a city within two hours of where I live to engage with an escort. So I decided to ask about it on topix. One guy said I should go to the bars like them. But what if I am not 21, and I hate the BS? Why are Americans like this? Why not just say screw it and go to a hooker?

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » October 8th, 2013, 7:04 am

I've found most guys irl aren't nearly that blue pilled. Those forums attract the lowest of the low.

kai1275 · Post by **kai1275** » October 8th, 2013, 7:20 am

Aren't you one of the guys that has Aspergers or something? If you would rather p4p, more power to you if you cannot handle social/nightlife, etc. No p***y is truly free anyway. Everyone pays for it. If you got the cash to keep it going, good for you.

The only thing I cannot stand are guys trying to provide deep insight on FW in some country and all they do is p4p and date/hangout with hoes. That's that shit that gets on my nerves. Guys like that know nothing about the non-pros in a place.

zacb · Post by **zacb** » October 8th, 2013, 7:32 am

I do have Asperger's, and I am tired of having to jump through hoops here in the US just to get tension off. Abroad I have no problem with women, but it is just here in the states is where the problem is. I live in a small town, and thus don't have any outlets, so it would be nice to move, not only for that, but work (8X the amount in this other city, and only 2 hours away from where I am). I was going to visit sometime, but now me an my mother might be moving there. As expensive as escorts are, it is better than the tax man down your back.

OutWest · Post by **OutWest** » October 8th, 2013, 8:17 am

kai1275 wrote:Aren't you one of the guys that has Aspergers or something? If you would rather p4p, more power to you if you cannot handle social/nightlife, etc. No p***y is truly free anyway. Everyone pays for it. If you got the cash to keep it going, good for you.

The only thing I cannot stand are guys trying to provide deep insight on FW in some country and all they do is p4p and date/hangout with hoes. That's that shit that gets on my nerves. Guys like that know nothing about the non-pros in a place.

Nicely put...like the majority of men visiting the Philippines and Thailand for example? LOL
I suspect that the majority of men visiting near us in Cagayan de Oro will never know anything
about traditional courtship- but they will become experts on the fine art of the bar-fine. LOL

Outwest

HouseMD · Post by **HouseMD** » October 8th, 2013, 10:19 am

To a lot of us guys sleeping with a prostitute is just unthinkable because we can get laid without paying for it. I don't meet girls at bars, I have a pretty active circle of friends that I make connections through, so I really don't end up paying anything to meet a decent woman. I realize that many men do not have such opportunities, nor do they have the social skills to handle gaming at a bar or club (which, in America, is extremely difficult compared to most of the world). Therefore, I do not judge men that go the p4p route, but I do understand why many men do. They're basically like "wtf bro, just go out and talk to some girls, it's not that hard" without realizing that for some men, it is very hard indeed.

Many men also enjoy the conquest and emotional sides of dating. My favorite part of sex is that a woman is giving herself over to me willingly, because she genuinely likes me. That chemistry is electric, and makes you feel great. I can't imagine sex without that feeling of connection, it would seem so sterile and dead. To many other men, it is specifically about dominance and conquest to build up numbers, as if they are hunting vag in the urban jungle. They are like hunters, going out and working themselves ragged to bring back an elk or a bear- without effort, the whole thing wouldn't be worthwhile. Shooting a deer that you paid to have put in a 10x10 foot cage for the very purpose would just be sad to a hunter. That's pretty much how conquistador types view p4p, it's a sad exercise in sexual fulfillment that makes a mockery of the real thing.

And this is aside from all of the moral arguments people have, whereby prostitution is wrong because it is exploitative. Personally I don't buy in to such arguments, so long as the woman is exercising her free will in pursuing her profession, but many people feel differently on the matter.

Really though, haters gonna hate. Do what makes you happy so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, the judgement of others be damned.