Validation isn't worth it

[Winston]

theprimebait,
Posting nude pics and links to escort sites is not allowed here. You either have to remove them, or I'll move this thread to NSFW. Which do you prefer?

Are there any other threads where you posted nude pics?

[marklambo]

So Yesterday I f***ed a legit model looking Italian girl from milan.a hoe.p4p.I payed to access the p***y.

her skin was soft like Ghee.it was pink.her legs were long.black hair and the cutest face I´ve ever seen(0 masculine features,wich even many victoria secret models have,Aegyo sal eyes).

I came in a few minutes,when it usually takes me an hour or so.KoolAid smile and all.

So I went out,and I saw all these dudes at bars talking to average women.some ugly.

I figured..the only reason they do this is validation.there is no other logical reason.

but let me ask you this,when you are f***ing an average or ugly looking girl,are you not fantasizing about f***ing a dime ?

I am.

so why would it be different for women.you think they aren´t fantasizing about some hunk or celebrity?

so how are they exactely validating you? unless you´re a model looking dude is there a point in trying to get a huge notch count? in that case you wouldn´t even be chasing women,they would be chasing you.

why do men deny themselves the pleasures of p4p p***y if its high quality,and why do they chase average looking girls.relationships only make sence if you want company and children.unless you are male model tier.



I think men crave validation from women,and need women more than they need us.the male mother need.



its instinctual.and it wastes so much time,money and basically keeps society afloat.

even where p4p is legalized,men chase women.even if its hugely disadvantageous,and wastes their time,money and freedom.

men want validation.thats our weakness.not any laws,or feminism.its validation.not access to p***y,we see men deny themselves hot p***y for a meager but ´´validating´´lay with a subpar but interested girl.

I'm a true believer that chasing below average or ugly women is such a big waste of time. I rather be at home with a dry dick than to put efforts into a below average or ugly chic. There are many guys that say they'll never do p4p because it's a sign of being desperate, lack of game, and damaging to their ego. But yet you'll never see these guys with quality looking chics. Many guys rather bang a below average or ugly girl for "free" (even though we all know its not free) than to p4p and have a hot dime.

I have no problem with p4p if it's with a hot chic but what makes me wonder sometimes is you'll see guys go for p4p but pick out a below average or ugly chic. This is where I see no reason for p4p. If you're going to do p4p, don't get some troll, what the hell is wrong with some of those guys?

I see nothing wrong with p4p with a hot chic. In fact, it can definitely be cost effective in the long run than to be married to a future cunt bag who will rob you of everything you have in divorce court.

I see no reason to chase around below average/ugly women just for the sake of getting p***y "without paying for it". I believe it's a total waste, I rather p4p with a dime piece any day. Guys are so concerned about their egos and think that chasing after a troll puts them in a higher class of a man vs p4p. In my opinion, the man who avoids chasing trolls and does p4p with the hotties is a smarter guy. There's no such thing as free p***y. A guy will always sacrifice something, whether it's money, giving gifts, time, mental and emotional aggravation, etc. In the end, we always pay...so you might as well get the best and don't settle.

[HouseMD]

So Yesterday I f***ed a legit model looking Italian girl from milan.a hoe.p4p.I payed to access the p***y.

her skin was soft like Ghee.it was pink.her legs were long.black hair and the cutest face I´ve ever seen(0 masculine features,wich even many victoria secret models have,Aegyo sal eyes).

I came in a few minutes,when it usually takes me an hour or so.KoolAid smile and all.

So I went out,and I saw all these dudes at bars talking to average women.some ugly.

I figured..the only reason they do this is validation.there is no other logical reason.

but let me ask you this,when you are f***ing an average or ugly looking girl,are you not fantasizing about f***ing a dime ?

I am.

so why would it be different for women.you think they aren´t fantasizing about some hunk or celebrity?

so how are they exactely validating you? unless you´re a model looking dude is there a point in trying to get a huge notch count? in that case you wouldn´t even be chasing women,they would be chasing you.

why do men deny themselves the pleasures of p4p p***y if its high quality,and why do they chase average looking girls.relationships only make sence if you want company and children.unless you are male model tier.



I think men crave validation from women,and need women more than they need us.the male mother need.



its instinctual.and it wastes so much time,money and basically keeps society afloat.

even where p4p is legalized,men chase women.even if its hugely disadvantageous,and wastes their time,money and freedom.

men want validation.thats our weakness.not any laws,or feminism.its validation.not access to p***y,we see men deny themselves hot p***y for a meager but ´´validating´´lay with a subpar but interested girl.

I'm a true believer that chasing below average or ugly women is such a big waste of time. I rather be at home with a dry dick than to put efforts into a below average or ugly chic. There are many guys that say they'll never do p4p because it's a sign of being desperate, lack of game, and damaging to their ego. But yet you'll never see these guys with quality looking chics. Many guys rather bang a below average or ugly girl for "free" (even though we all know its not free) than to p4p and have a hot dime.

I have no problem with p4p if it's with a hot chic but what makes me wonder sometimes is you'll see guys go for p4p but pick out a below average or ugly chic. This is where I see no reason for p4p. If you're going to do p4p, don't get some troll, what the hell is wrong with some of those guys?

I see nothing wrong with p4p with a hot chic. In fact, it can definitely be cost effective in the long run than to be married to a future c**t bag who will rob you of everything you have in divorce court.

I see no reason to chase around below average/ugly women just for the sake of getting p***y "without paying for it". I believe it's a total waste, I rather p4p with a dime piece any day. Guys are so concerned about their egos and think that chasing after a troll puts them in a higher class of a man vs p4p. In my opinion, the man who avoids chasing trolls and does p4p with the hotties is a smarter guy. There's no such thing as free p***y. A guy will always sacrifice something, whether it's money, giving gifts, time, mental and emotional aggravation, etc. In the end, we always pay...so you might as well get the best and don't settle.

There's more to sex than just putting your dick in a hole. It's the "more" that you can't buy. Paying for sex is essentially admitting you are powerless when it comes to women- if you can't pay, you can't land some decent p***y. How is that empowering to know? I mean, essentially you're saying your dick is useless without a thick wallet once you resort to only p4p.

[S_Parc]

There's more to sex than just putting your dick in a hole. It's the "more" that you can't buy. Paying for sex is essentially admitting you are powerless when it comes to women- if you can't pay, you can't land some decent p***y. How is that empowering to know? I mean, essentially you're saying your dick is useless without a thick wallet once you resort to only p4p.

You pay so that they go away.

[marklambo]

There's more to sex than just putting your dick in a hole. It's the "more" that you can't buy. Paying for sex is essentially admitting you are powerless when it comes to women- if you can't pay, you can't land some decent p***y. How is that empowering to know? I mean, essentially you're saying your dick is useless without a thick wallet once you resort to only p4p.

Yea but sometimes a man just wants to f**k. Sometimes he doesn't want the mental bullshit that comes with seducing a woman, trying to prove he's worthy of being with her, etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with being powerless when it comes to women. Many of the most powerful men in the world still pay for it, even though they have tons of talent throwing themselves at them on a daily basis. Paying for it is a means of quick access without the bullshit baggage that comes along with seducing a normal woman.

I don't personally have a problem landing good talent every now and then but you have to remember that some guys just don't have the ability to do it. If they choose the p4p route, I have nothing against it. Why should they settle? If they're not able to land the good ones via traditional bullshit pua, why do they have to be looked down upon for paying for hot ass? They shouldn't have to settle for that fat smelly whale waiting to milk him for every dollar he has.

[Someone]

I'm a true believer that chasing below average or ugly women is such a big waste of time. I rather be at home with a dry dick than to put efforts into a below average or ugly chic. There are many guys that say they'll never do p4p because it's a sign of being desperate, lack of game, and damaging to their ego. But yet you'll never see these guys with quality looking chics. Many guys rather bang a below average or ugly girl for "free" (even though we all know its not free) than to p4p and have a hot dime.

^^ This. I independently came to the exact same conclusion.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who puts a premium on physical appearance (I started a thread about it here based on my own bad experiences with ugly women)

I have no problem with p4p if it's with a hot chic but what makes me wonder sometimes is you'll see guys go for p4p but pick out a below average or ugly chic. This is where I see no reason for p4p. If you're going to do p4p, don't get some troll, what the hell is wrong with some of those guys?

Because, surprisingly, attractive women often don't exist in the P4P sphere in America, where it's illegal and sketchy. The available women tend to be tattooed and malnourished crackwhores with STDs.

When I was in Europe and Canada, the legality of their industry allowed me to see very beautiful "commercial" providers and it was no problem finding them. In the US, it would have to be some sort of secret "elite" undercover agency (of the type Eliot Spitzer used to frequent) that doesn't advertise and that you wouldn't know about just by looking them up somewhere. Otherwise, it's the ugly outcasts of society.

[HouseMD]

There's more to sex than just putting your dick in a hole. It's the "more" that you can't buy. Paying for sex is essentially admitting you are powerless when it comes to women- if you can't pay, you can't land some decent p***y. How is that empowering to know? I mean, essentially you're saying your dick is useless without a thick wallet once you resort to only p4p.

Yea but sometimes a man just wants to f**k. Sometimes he doesn't want the mental bullshit that comes with seducing a woman, trying to prove he's worthy of being with her, etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with being powerless when it comes to women. Many of the most powerful men in the world still pay for it, even though they have tons of talent throwing themselves at them on a daily basis. Paying for it is a means of quick access without the bullshit baggage that comes along with seducing a normal woman.

I don't personally have a problem landing good talent every now and then but you have to remember that some guys just don't have the ability to do it. If they choose the p4p route, I have nothing against it. Why should they settle? If they're not able to land the good ones via traditional bullshit pua, why do they have to be looked down upon for paying for hot a**? They shouldn't have to settle for that fat smelly whale waiting to milk him for every dollar he has.

I don't judge ugly or socially inept dudes for banging hoes. It's the ones that can score decent ass but end up going exclusively p4p that I look down on. Nothing wrong with a guy occasionally indulging though. Wealthy men don't have to worry as much about pros getting pregnant, crying rape, etc. It's just the lazy dudes that bug me.

Also, from a health perspective, herpes is probably one of the worst things about hoes. If you bang them long enough, you're bound to catch a case. Condoms just aren't very effective against it.

[Someone]

Also, from a health perspective, herpes is probably one of the worst things about hoes. If you bang them long enough, you're bound to catch a case. Condoms just aren't very effective against it.

Very true. Herpes is a danger because it can be transmitted through condoms. Again, if the industry is legal, as in Europe, the workers have health insurance and they get regular health check-ups. Where P4P is illegal, it's twice as dangerous, because there are no regulations in place.

P.S.: Winston, why does your forum auto-replace the word "p-r-o-s-titute" with "P4P" and "hoes"? Those aren't the words I want to use.

[HouseMD]

Also, from a health perspective, herpes is probably one of the worst things about hoes. If you bang them long enough, you're bound to catch a case. Condoms just aren't very effective against it.

Very true. Herpes is a danger because it can be transmitted through condoms. Again, if the industry is legal, as in Europe, the workers have health insurance and they get regular health check-ups. Where P4P is illegal, it's twice as dangerous, because there are no regulations in place.

P.S.: Winston, why does your forum auto-replace the word "p-r-o-s-titute" with "P4P" and "hoes"? Those aren't the words I want to use.

Because Google almost delisted this site for providing information about hoes and p4p. Losing Google ads and listing would kill this site.

[C.J.]

You get it, how you get it. There are no standards now, in the age of empty romance.

[djfourmoney]

I believe going exclusively P4P is unhealthy mentally because after awhile and I notice this on P4P forums that the men end up treating regular women that way; saying its not worth to effort to build a relationship when all they want is to fu*k.

However the majority of men that use P4P are married; where the men like everything about their relationship with their wives, its just lost its spark and its become routine. Or women because of issues with menopause including vaginal dryness really becomes an issue.

Sex and Love can be as complicated as you wanna make it or can be easy. I prefer easy and to prevent issues like dryness, a woman informed and in-tuned with her body, plus somebody that trust you to even bring up issues like this is vitally important.

Money and Sex (physical issues, infidelity, etc) are often the main culprits to failing marriages/relationships.

I have used it P4P before because I rather not live a sexless lifestyle, while at the same time get rebuffed by various women while I stay with my parents.

Leaving worn out, over the hill women with children available. The only single women left are BBW and maybe immigrant women; are these the women you want me to chase around Los Angeles on the bus House MD? LOL

I've met ONE women on the bus and I have been taking it regularly since early 2010, clearly that ship is not going to come in and I missed whatever opportunity I had; a poor college student (Latina), quite attractive and I struck up a convo waiting for the bus.

Since Mexico is close, I have gone down there for cheap thrills but I haven't gone in a couple of years because I am trying to save money for my trip.

This year I didn't donate for a two months, plus I went to Mexico City in May loaned by parents $400 to fix a car they own but don't drive and I bought a PS3 and Laptop at the start of the year, so this year is pretty much sunk, by the end of this month if I don't spend another penny, I will have just under $500 cash to end the year.

I have made sub-$100 trips down but I just can't bring myself to burn the money. Though I may go down before the end of the year.

[djfourmoney]

Also, from a health perspective, herpes is probably one of the worst things about hoes. If you bang them long enough, you're bound to catch a case. Condoms just aren't very effective against it.

Very true. Herpes is a danger because it can be transmitted through condoms. Again, if the industry is legal, as in Europe, the workers have health insurance and they get regular health check-ups. Where P4P is illegal, it's twice as dangerous, because there are no regulations in place.

P.S.: Winston, why does your forum auto-replace the word "p-r-o-s-titute" with "P4P" and "hoes"? Those aren't the words I want to use.

While Herpes and other STD's are possible, they are less likely where its regulated and health checks are apart of it. Mexico is regulated and tolerated not completely illegal, only Pimps are. In The Netherlands and Germany its 100% legal and regulated, while Spain and much of the Med it tolerated and checked.

In the US you take your chances with the average street girl, not to mention Vice sting operations and Nevada is horribly expensive but safe and regulated (outside of Clark County/Las Vegas).

[HouseMD]

I believe going exclusively P4P is unhealthy mentally because after awhile and I notice this on P4P forums that the men end up treating regular women that way; saying its not worth to effort to build a relationship when all they want is to fu*k.

However the majority of men that use P4P are married; where the men like everything about their relationship with their wives, its just lost its spark and its become routine. Or women because of issues with menopause including v****al dryness really becomes an issue.

Sex and Love can be as complicated as you wanna make it or can be easy. I prefer easy and to prevent issues like dryness, a woman informed and in-tuned with her body, plus somebody that trust you to even bring up issues like this is vitally important.

Money and Sex (physical issues, infidelity, etc) are often the main culprits to failing marriages/relationships.

I have used it P4P before because I rather not live a sexless lifestyle, while at the same time get rebuffed by various women while I stay with my parents.

Leaving worn out, over the hill women with children available. The only single women left are BBW and maybe immigrant women; are these the women you want me to chase around Los Angeles on the bus House MD? LOL

I've met ONE women on the bus and I have been taking it regularly since early 2010, clearly that ship is not going to come in and I missed whatever opportunity I had; a poor college student (Latina), quite attractive and I struck up a convo waiting for the bus.

Since Mexico is close, I have gone down there for cheap thrills but I haven't gone in a couple of years because I am trying to save money for my trip.

This year I didn't donate for a two months, plus I went to Mexico City in May loaned by parents $400 to fix a car they own but don't drive and I bought a PS3 and Laptop at the start of the year, so this year is pretty much sunk, by the end of this month if I don't spend another penny, I will have just under $500 cash to end the year.

I have made sub-$100 trips down but I just can't bring myself to burn the money. Though I may go down before the end of the year.

You're in a difficult situation man, like I said, that's not the kind of guy I'm judging. It's the ones that would otherwise be able to land decent tail at home or abroad that instead have become p4p zombies. I'm sure you'd do great if you weren't in the states. You'd probably be able to land a girl just fine in SA or eastern europe without paying. But then there are certain guys around here that leave the USA and spend 100% of their time with bar girls even though they could land a good looking local. Those guys are the ones that bug me.

[djfourmoney]

I believe going exclusively P4P is unhealthy mentally because after awhile and I notice this on P4P forums that the men end up treating regular women that way; saying its not worth to effort to build a relationship when all they want is to fu*k.

However the majority of men that use P4P are married; where the men like everything about their relationship with their wives, its just lost its spark and its become routine. Or women because of issues with menopause including v****al dryness really becomes an issue.

Sex and Love can be as complicated as you wanna make it or can be easy. I prefer easy and to prevent issues like dryness, a woman informed and in-tuned with her body, plus somebody that trust you to even bring up issues like this is vitally important.

Money and Sex (physical issues, infidelity, etc) are often the main culprits to failing marriages/relationships.

I have used it P4P before because I rather not live a sexless lifestyle, while at the same time get rebuffed by various women while I stay with my parents.

Leaving worn out, over the hill women with children available. The only single women left are BBW and maybe immigrant women; are these the women you want me to chase around Los Angeles on the bus House MD? LOL

I've met ONE women on the bus and I have been taking it regularly since early 2010, clearly that ship is not going to come in and I missed whatever opportunity I had; a poor college student (Latina), quite attractive and I struck up a convo waiting for the bus.

Since Mexico is close, I have gone down there for cheap thrills but I haven't gone in a couple of years because I am trying to save money for my trip.

This year I didn't donate for a two months, plus I went to Mexico City in May loaned by parents $400 to fix a car they own but don't drive and I bought a PS3 and Laptop at the start of the year, so this year is pretty much sunk, by the end of this month if I don't spend another penny, I will have just under $500 cash to end the year.

I have made sub-$100 trips down but I just can't bring myself to burn the money. Though I may go down before the end of the year.

You're in a difficult situation man, like I said, that's not the kind of guy I'm judging. It's the ones that would otherwise be able to land decent tail at home or abroad that instead have become p4p zombies. I'm sure you'd do great if you weren't in the states. You'd probably be able to land a girl just fine in SA or eastern europe without paying. But then there are certain guys around here that leave the USA and spend 100% of their time with bar girls even though they could land a good looking local. Those guys are the ones that bug me.

I agree as well, openly cheat on their wives too is another bothersome issue but as I said its likely caused by one of the issues I mentioned.

I know you were not talking about me, I just wanted to play Devil's Advocate. I do pull women, but when they find out I live under mamma's roof they diss me, get into arguments with me or just don't return my emails.

Oh well, as I have said on here several times, my reward for this difficult period will be grand and will be worth the trouble.

[Maverick]

There's more to sex than just putting your dick in a hole. It's the "more" that you can't buy. Paying for sex is essentially admitting you are powerless when it comes to women- if you can't pay, you can't land some decent p***y. How is that empowering to know? I mean, essentially you're saying your dick is useless without a thick wallet once you resort to only p4p.

Yea but sometimes a man just wants to f**k. Sometimes he doesn't want the mental bullshit that comes with seducing a woman, trying to prove he's worthy of being with her, etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with being powerless when it comes to women. Many of the most powerful men in the world still pay for it, even though they have tons of talent throwing themselves at them on a daily basis. Paying for it is a means of quick access without the bullshit baggage that comes along with seducing a normal woman.

I don't personally have a problem landing good talent every now and then but you have to remember that some guys just don't have the ability to do it. If they choose the p4p route, I have nothing against it. Why should they settle? If they're not able to land the good ones via traditional bullshit pua, why do they have to be looked down upon for paying for hot a**? They shouldn't have to settle for that fat smelly whale waiting to milk him for every dollar he has.

I don't judge ugly or socially inept dudes for banging hoes. It's the ones that can score decent a** but end up going exclusively p4p that I look down on. Nothing wrong with a guy occasionally indulging though. Wealthy men don't have to worry as much about pros getting pregnant, crying rape, etc. It's just the lazy dudes that bug me.

Also, from a health perspective, herpes is probably one of the worst things about hoes. If you bang them long enough, you're bound to catch a case. Condoms just aren't very effective against it.

I personally have never done p4p in the US just because it's so sketchy. However, I'd definitely be down to do it. In fact, I would be completely okay with JUST f*cking hookers.

For the record, I get girls (sometimes quality) and currently have a FWB. If I was able to freely and easily do p4p without risk of arrest or STDs, then I would ditch the FWB and only do p4p.

I'm lazy as f*ck (with certain things....especially women) and I'm okay with that. What's wrong with it?