There is a serious problem with content on this forum

[djfourmoney]

This forum has ended up being endless debates that are all related to social standing and economics.

Most of the men are unemployed, or way under the 50K threshold to meet attractive mostly White women, who are on top of the food chain worldwide and frankly there isn't much you can do about it.

Anything else is going downmarket, period. That doesn't mean you can't find a smoking hot woman from another country, you can. But you can't spend a week in any country and come up empty and then complain a country sucks because of it.

These same people would be failures in business because they don't understand market fundamentals. Don't you think there's a reason HouseMD has little trouble getting laid, while the rest of you struggle?

Its obvious women in America like men in high earning jobs. What that should tell you, is get out there and make a ton of money. The problem is how and this is never explained to you, not even in high school. In college if business becomes your major, you get a better idea.

However that doesn't apply anymore. The internet is the answer, you just have to search for it. But rarely today are native Americans self-starters. It seems the closer you are to poverty, you go one of two directions; you get out and stay out, or you dwell in it.

From there it gets distorted by social complexity, such as racial issues/preferences.

So people's base line frustrations get played out online. There is plenty of places that explain what has happen since 1970, I suggest all of you go look, even in unlikely places.

Whatever I deal with the people that have axes to grind, no need to ban people.

[droid]

As long as things are indexed properly and on-topic, it should be Ok to have the free speech this site grants.
Mr Darcy's dumb troll post should've been moved to the race-thread immediately. I think that would've been better than just banning him.
Maybe a short note on the header saying "moved from thread x"... would help too. I know maintaining the forum does take time though.

I personally don't have trouble finding the better posts amongst all others, as the titles are always pretty much self-explanatory. It's easy to ignore the useless ones.
The_Adventurer and Kai, your posts are always spot-on and very helpful. Make no mistake, they are read avidly by -I would think- many of us, they're not lost in noise.

My $0.02

[drealm]

I don't think anyone should be banned. Anyone who PM'ed you for a ban is a coward.

[Renata]

Just use the ignore button on the users you have issues with. Looks like no one makes use of it.

Zboy lock threads with nonsense babble, fighting or trolling & delete posts that you think cross your limit.

Don't ban anyone.

[gsjackson]

Okay, looks like HA'ers have spoken and want four members removed from the forum: ThePrimeBait, Cornfed, Mr.Darcy and MyFirstTrueLove.

I actually think all four of them are decent posters who bring some very interesting perspectives to the forum, but I'm tired of the whining fest going on here lately--and all the pm messages complaining about them! So, to the three members: it's not me that wants you guys banned; it's the rest of the HA community that wants you guys gone. Sorry...it's not my choice to do this. ...

So, you're saying that you've gotten many PM's requesting the banning of these posters? Because a strong majority of people who have posted publicly have opposed banning anyone. How many PM's did you get in favor of the bans?

Personally, I wouldn't ban any of those posters. In the case of Cornfed, certainly he didn't withhold the vitriol, and arguably made his own bed by going out of his way to offend people, but if he leaves the collective IQ of this forum is going to come down by a substantial percentage. There's not a whole lot of intellectual candlepower in this little internet backwater, and banning smart people just because they say what they really think is a very bad idea.

And as several others have said, are people powerless to simply ignore things they consider uninformative or offensive? Seems like a pretty easy thing to do.

[Ghost]

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[NorthAmericanguy]

Well..this isn't my idea to do all this! This forum gets so many whiners about how 'we should ban this person or that person' or 'the quality of the posts has gone down,' or 'we need to get rid of free speech to make the forum better' complaints that I get sick of it after a while, to be honest....

I have never managed a forum, but from what I have seen that works on other forums, is that, one or two moderators should have the ability to ban people with no questions asked. The people who are in charge of this forum shouldn't even have to ask participating members if a certain individual should be banned or not.

It's pretty obvious who starts trouble around here and it's pretty obvious who are serious members.

[NorthAmericanguy]

I agree that the quality has gone WAY down. I rarely wish to post on this forum at this point.

There are two extremes that make it unbearable.

The first extreme is the Cornfed "Jews stir up blacks to ruin it for white men so they both should be exterminated."

The second extreme is Myfirsttruelove's "I'm a black Aspergers kind of guy so where in the world would women want to rip off my clothes and immediately have sex with me because of my skin color."

I do stop by every week or so, but the quality of topics has plummeted.

What killed it for me is the realization that a good poster can't help anyone. It's like the bickering and fighting is what gets traffic and a good post on information about how to go and be Happier Abroad simply disappears under several racial debates and whining about American Women threads. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of members don't even see a good post, because it is so far down the list by the time they arrive. This also means they are hard to find for those who want to read that stuff instead of the next jew bashing contest.




A great example would be Will N. Dowd's great and detailed trip report which was met with such hate and vitriol he started deleting it. I didn't even get to finish it before it started disappearing out from under me. I also see many of Eurobrat's posts have become "..." now. I suppose mine will soon go that way too.


The problem is that the forum had free speech and free thinking BEFORE, and it wasn't nearly as pathetic as it is currently. What happened to Globetrotter, Adama, EuroBrat, AiB, Phx Sosa, JamaicaninChina? I am sure there are many other great posters I am forgetting. Just go back and look at 2010 an 2011 era. There was great stuff here. It seems even Lad doesn't post as much as he used to, and Winston has to resort to gimmicks to get his revenue coming in.

As a long time poster, since maybe 2007, it seems I can no longer find anything of use to me on here, and my 6 years abroad experience is of no use to anyone else. Maybe that's the way it should be. Once you have achieved Happier Abroad, you do it, rather than read and write about it.

My take is this:

1. This forum is similar to a university where people decide to register the moment they find this place and decide that they like the content and wish to contribute or learn from it. Some men here like Globetrotter sign on as "professors", other guys like me sign up to learn from the content and also just want somebody to hear us vent our daily frustrations. Guys stay here for ever how long they feel they need to stay and/or have accomplished what they wanted, and because of that, the people who post on this forum will always be transient. If somebody leaves, they really shouldn't be begged to stay. The're gone and are moving on. All the old posters who no longer post are alumni to me, and I thank them for leaving information that I can read that could possibly help improve my life. And I hope that what I post, one day when I no longer post, somebody will read my words and possibly find use of it.

2. I feel that the owner of this forum needs to do whatever he can to recruit quality posters. Just like a university sports team, gang, or military branch, you need to constantly recruit new people because current talent is only temporary.

3. The reality is that we are males, and males even under the best of situations never fully get along. Males, unlike females, are aggressive with each other for no good reason then just for the thrill of it, to blow off steam at a lower rank male, or to establish hierarchy. This is why I'm define myself as a MGTOW and I find more solidarity on MGTOW forums because it's the only movement that every man can subscribe too, yet still have the ability to find happiness on his own terms. The added benefit is that we're not a traditional movement so we can't be shut down because we're everywhere but nowhere.

[NorthAmericanguy]

This forum has ended up being endless debates that are all related to social standing and economics.

Most of the men are unemployed, or way under the 50K threshold to meet attractive mostly White women, who are on top of the food chain worldwide and frankly there isn't much you can do about it.

Anything else is going downmarket, period. That doesn't mean you can't find a smoking hot woman from another country, you can. But you can't spend a week in any country and come up empty and then complain a country sucks because of it.

These same people would be failures in business because they don't understand market fundamentals. Don't you think there's a reason HouseMD has little trouble getting laid, while the rest of you struggle?

Its obvious women in America like men in high earning jobs. What that should tell you, is get out there and make a ton of money. The problem is how and this is never explained to you, not even in high school. In college if business becomes your major, you get a better idea..

Yea, I think that's the other major issue. Traveling is really a luxury, well, at least if you're visiting Western countries. That said, traveling is still doable so as long as you stay single and child free.

[Winston]

Okay, looks like HA'ers have spoken and want four members removed from the forum: ThePrimeBait, Cornfed, Mr.Darcy and MyFirstTrueLove.

I actually think all four of them are decent posters who bring some very interesting perspectives to the forum, but I'm tired of the whining fest going on here lately--and all the pm messages complaining about them! So, to the three members: it's not me that wants you guys banned; it's the rest of the HA community that wants you guys gone. Sorry...it's not my choice to do this. ...

Yeah those are iffy posters. Cornfed was at least intelligent and educated. But he had a problem with black people for some reason. What was the basis for banning them? Were they given warnings first?

Why can't you guys just ignore those you don't like, or put them on ignore?

Some of you seem to hate people for no reason too.

Why do you feel the need to control what other people say?

Could it be that you guys are arguing about a problem that doesn't exist? I honestly don't see what some of you guys are seeing. When I click on the Latest 100 Topics link above, I see a wide variety of different topics. Some are trashy yeah, but not most. Why can't you just ignore the trashy or racist threads and leave them alone? Why do you feel the need to control what others say?

I think Zboy has done well as moderator. His decision are carefully thought out, even though they are controversial and could be debated. But at least he's trying. So give him credit.

Whether you agree with Zboy's decisions or not, at least he seems pretty rational and sensible. He definitely is not insane or psycho. So I would say that most likely, his decisions are well thought out and have a valid basis.

It's impossible to please everyone. Even the greatest leaders in history made decisions that a lot of people didn't like. It's unavoidable.

Also, just because someone leaves, even a long time poster, doesn't mean that something in the forum drove him away. Come on now. Get real. Modern life is VERY BUSY with endless to do lists and limited time to do them. And older people have to value their time more. Time is priceless and irreplaceable. Functioning people have busy lives, goals, projects and dreams. They cannot always post for your benefit. You have to be realistic and not assume too much.

[djfourmoney]

This forum has ended up being endless debates that are all related to social standing and economics.

Most of the men are unemployed, or way under the 50K threshold to meet attractive mostly White women, who are on top of the food chain worldwide and frankly there isn't much you can do about it.

Anything else is going downmarket, period. That doesn't mean you can't find a smoking hot woman from another country, you can. But you can't spend a week in any country and come up empty and then complain a country sucks because of it.

These same people would be failures in business because they don't understand market fundamentals. Don't you think there's a reason HouseMD has little trouble getting laid, while the rest of you struggle?

Its obvious women in America like men in high earning jobs. What that should tell you, is get out there and make a ton of money. The problem is how and this is never explained to you, not even in high school. In college if business becomes your major, you get a better idea..

Yea, I think that's the other major issue. Traveling is really a luxury, well, at least if you're visiting Western countries. That said, traveling is still doable so as long as you stay single and child free.

If you wanna travel like the typical American Tourist then yes its expensive. But if you wanna be somewhere between hostel hopping backpackers and people staying at 4 Star hotels/resorts; buy Tim Leffel's book and read his blog - http://www.cheapestdestinationsblog.com/

Latin America is cheap, full of attractive women and good location to relocated too if you wanna become an expat.

White men can go anywhere they want, but they will be at their highest value in Eastern Europe, Southeast East and Latin America.

Asian men really do best with women that look like them. That's not to say they can't get other women, but Western stereotypes about Asian men are pervasive; much like African-Americans are over masculine, oversexed, while simultaneously lacks work ethic and intelligence. Deal with it and move on, there are non-Asian women who will date you. Similar to Black men, you just need to work harder at it by talking to more than a handful of women.

I know Black men married to just about any type of woman you can think of that exist, so I know its possible for Black men to date/marry whomever they want, just STFU about how you're viewed by Anglos, deal with it and move on.

There should be little negativity on this forum IMHO. There needs to be more self-starters on here...

[polya]

You know what's odd? This is a frequent theme in America, overall. Either someone's randomly being a dick (sometimes as if they don't mean it & they're displaying that by acting like it) or they've got a very lofty attitude about everything. I've noticed that comes up in a very dictatorial kind of way- like they think that altruism produces ownership.

Also: What is PUA?

There's no randomly about it: most people are "dicks" and we have to simply kick them to the kerb to be rid of them...harder to do on a forum where they just join again.