Tsar wrote:The cutlery and dish are washed. They are inanimate objects. They can be sanitized. Comparing objects to a living person are comparing two completely different things. A woman loses her purity and also her virginity is lose the moment she does any sexual act with a man. The memories also remain. Purity is spiritual, physical, and metaphysical. Virginity is part of the soul, the body, the heart, and the mind (memories). Also, I be sure to inspect the cutlery and I would have the restaurant being me new cutlery if I found even one tiny crumb that didn't get removed in the wash. Cutlery is sanitized with chemicals and boiling water.
You keep talking by ideals and philosophical speculation. Droid didn't mention a major trauma like being raped or tortured, he was referring to a sexual act, like the girls (and the boys!) of our times are used to since they're 14 or 15. Purity might be a desirable moral, spiritual, psychological state. Yet, having had sex a few times before falling in love with a guy who actually is a pretty good match and choosing to settle isn't really that big a deal anymore.
You need to open up to the idea of loving an imperfect being, because nobody is perfect, and in the society we live in you won't find anybody who gets even remotely close to your ideal of purity and innocence.
Tsar wrote:How can the acceptance of what was regarded as a common whore be considered normal?
Exactly.
Was regarded as a common whore. For centuries girls who weren't virgin at marriage were considered disgraced, while it was quite normal for boys and young men to join brothels and gain experience there. The same societies also condoned extreme levels of social inequality and things like slavery and child labour, which often led to child prostitution.
While I am not saying this society is all roses, this is the place and environment where you and I live. Willing or nilling. Unless you want to devote your life to fight and campaign so that teenagers don't have to be exposed to corrupting material and be compelled towards premarital sex, yours will remain sterile wishful thinking, borne in a basement and died soon after.
Tsar wrote:If most of the world decided they were going to engage in mass suicide, would you join them just to "fit in" and be considered normal? Or would you reject that and save yourself because you recognize that suicide is insanity? Well, accepting a whore just because the majority of people claim it is acceptable is akin to committing suicide.
That's a gross exaggeration dude, what are you talking about? If by "whore" you mean whatever girl who has had some sexual activity before meeting you, you can be sure the human race will be extinct before you can find your specimen of pure young woman
Tsar wrote:So right there you are saying just because children are exposed to immorality and brainwashed, that it means that everyone should accept that promiscuity is natural and harlotry is normal? It is not normal. If the parents were better they would not allow such things to occur. If corruption is allowed to thrive unchecked, it multiples at an exponential rate. It's like a rot that quickly spreads, infecting others and rapidly decaying all of civilization. There will be few that will be immune or beat the virus of corruption and then, the insane masses will label that sane individual insane.
If, if, if... The world isn't what we want. It's what it is. And you have 3 choices:
1) adapt and be contented with whatever compromise you manage to find,
2) try to maximise your chances to find your dating Shangri-La by starting to live in a society where those values are still held and exercised, at the cost of a near disconnect from modern civilisation and near fatal socio-cultural barriers, or
3) live a miserable life farther and farther removed from reality, where your alienation won't even allow potentially good women to notice you if they wanted to, and where your dreams could rot into something dark and potentially unethical, when not illegal.
Tsar wrote:When the insane are the majority and the sane make up a minority, then the sane are the ones labeled insane. Should the sane minority abandon their sanity and join the insane majority? Should the people who still embrace light forsake the light and join the forces of darkness? Virtue is considered wrong, while immorality is considered righteous in this world of sin.
Dude, are you a preacher or something? I have never said "virtue is wrong". Just advising you to stop seeing all in black and white and learn to find some balance and solace in one of the many gray spots available. I have read Vonnegut and love the Krishnamurti quote. Yet, beyond the world of the ideal states and the good intentions, there lies an ocean of complexity and middle measures called life.
Tsar wrote:A near-perfect would is possible. The only reason that makes it an impossibility is because democracy destroys unity and cynics or self-serving selfish individuals hold power instead of idealistic visionaries. If everyone demanded the ideal then this world would be a better place. This world is declining and experiencing many negative events because people are cynical and accept less than the ideal. It is a race to the bottom. The more people accept less the ideal, the more they are willing to abandon what little ideals remain. In the end there will be no morality and everything will be cynical. Civilization will collapse. There will be no respect without ideals. There will be chaos instead of order. So this imperfect world will become a broken world. It won't even hope to be a fraction of it's former glory.
Another false position, that of moral superiority over those who are "caught" compromising. Do you really think you're the only idealist left in the world. Do you really think you're the only 20-something young man who wanted to change the world? Learning, perhaps the hard way, that ideals don't have a long life in a real human society actually helps finding that elusive ground where one could push his claims to the limit and get not "a" compromise, but the best possible compromise for himself and those he loves.