Should I read a Roosh V or some other PUA book?

[Enticer]

@QuestionMark - the mate selection process is purely sexual at the dating stage, based purely on the female minds selection of a suitable male for procreation. Science virtually proves this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_hist ... _selection

Women prefer stronger looking males and are initially attracted to them at first glance. Height, shoulders and weight come into play. This is why short guys have a difficult time with taller women. Its purely subliminal and primal. SO.....physical attraction does play into it. Alpha type males are the capt of the ship, the hero of the day and the knight in shining armor. Bad boys need not apply.

You keep going back to AW. First off, not all AW are evil monsters. They have the potential to be be spoiled brats OR worse. But, the mate selection process at its core is universal. In polls i have conducted on a worldwide basis...of over 1000 women, there was all 5 common core traits for attraction:

In order of importance:

1. Confidence
2. Intelligence
3. Sense of humor
4. Be interested in her
5. Look and smell presentable

So, what is so wrong with teaching this to men? Why is it fake to teach a man how to present himself on social media or web dating? How not to act like a p***y and turn her off?

Why am I the villain for teaching men not to date rape women? To not send cock pics or expose their cocks during a date? To respect women and to respect themselves? To not abuse or use women?

Why is it so wrong to analyze a man's life and see one catastrophic problem with his behavior that freaks all people out..and teach him to change it?

PUAs teach men to snatch up numbers within 5 min of meeting a woman and f**k 'em and leave 'em......I teach men how to be better men. This, on a worldwide level....

All life is a game gentlemen. Pieces of the puzzle fit nicely if you free your mind and turn away from negative dwelling thoughts. I too never thought there could be things in my behavior that could adversely affect the way people and women look at me. Like all men, my initial instinctual reactions were often wrong. When I stopped blabbering and being negative and reversed my thought process, everything changed. Its not fake or phony or wrong.....it was a behavior change that was needed. Confidence isn't arrogance....and being a real man, isn't phony...

[publicduende]

Hey fightforlove, I love your new avatar picture! I recognize that girl from the ads on the right side of the forum! That girl is 18 years old and if I remember correctly she is from China or the Philippines.

Yes, I do occasionally check out the some of the girls profiles that I see on this forum. This is one girl I really like, she is from Ukraine and is 28 years old.

No wonder you like her: photos are so heavily airbrushed, she looks hyper-real, like in a cartoon or 3D animation movie.

Maybe I'm diverting a bit but...have you guys in the US been bombarded so much with hyper-reality from Hollywood blockbusters, made up reality TV, etc. that you carry your suspension of disbelief everywhere else? The fact a woman like that needed that much Photoshop should in itself be a major warning bell. Doesn't seem to matter to you...oh well, if the main purpose is wank over her...

[Enticer]

And as I said in an earlier post. I'm not a PUA and dont favor the lifestyle. I'm a date coach. Big difference. My website...which, yes will be a pay site, will have a disclaimer that all men must sign to get in pledging that they will not use the info given to hurt or take advantage of women. What I know is DEADLY info. It is not for the weak minded or those with no filter or the careless and wreckless.

Of course will charge. I have thousands of hours studying this shit and i know my stuff. I guarantee there are things I can teach a man that will change his life on so many levels. If he can't afford 100.00 for a membership and would rather jerk off to porn or continue to spin his wheels with the same behavior, thats on him. My info is far better more genuine and cheaper than the other dorks out there. But I reiterate, I do not teach a fake and phony approach to dating women. I teach men how to be men and how to understand women. All on a worldwide level.

[publicduende]

Why do you say that? Look, even in foreign countries....women want the BEST. Why do you think Asian women consider American men to be GODS? Because they feel we are superior in size, penis size, sexuality and romance. The alpha male selection for females is the most universal thing there is. If you think women/females want the weak and inferior....you are deceived.

This is just a Western man delusion. Perhaps the Philippines are still polluted by American pop culture to have a sizeable amount of young women, usually the poorer and less educated, who dream of having a Western/white partner.

Every other girl in Asia is ideally looking for an Asian partner, possible same nationality and culture. All things being equal (attractiveness, charisma, status and wealth, etc.), hooking up with a local is so much easier for them, their families and social circles.

Of course there are quite a few exceptions, but they're usually found those women who date while living abroad, or have spent a significant part of their lives abroad and developed a fascination for the Western man, or have somehow been exposed first person to international environments (international colleges, Western multinationals, etc.).

[fightforlove]

Hey fightforlove, I love your new avatar picture! I recognize that girl from the ads on the right side of the forum! That girl is 18 years old and if I remember correctly she is from China or the Philippines.

Yes, I do occasionally check out the some of the girls profiles that I see on this forum. This is one girl I really like, she is from Ukraine and is 28 years old.

007, heck yeah some of those women look great!! Yes, this one is only 18 and from the Philippines. Normally, my cut-off age is 22, but I might be willing to make a lil exception if I encountered an 18yo this attractive.

Sans airbrushing, she probably still looks a lot better than 80-90% of the women you see on the streets of America.

[QuestionMark]

@QuestionMark - the mate selection process is purely sexual at the dating stage, based purely on the female minds selection of a suitable male for procreation. Science virtually proves this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_hist ... _selection

Women prefer stronger looking males and are initially attracted to them at first glance. Height, shoulders and weight come into play. This is why short guys have a difficult time with taller women. Its purely subliminal and primal. SO.....physical attraction does play into it. Alpha type males are the capt of the ship, the hero of the day and the knight in shining armor. Bad boys need not apply.

You keep going back to AW. First off, not all AW are evil monsters. They have the potential to be be spoiled brats OR worse. But, the mate selection process at its core is universal. In polls i have conducted on a worldwide basis...of over 1000 women, there was all 5 common core traits for attraction:

In order of importance:

1. Confidence
2. Intelligence
3. Sense of humor
4. Be interested in her
5. Look and smell presentable

So, what is so wrong with teaching this to men? Why is it fake to teach a man how to present himself on social media or web dating? How not to act like a p***y and turn her off?

Why am I the villain for teaching men not to date rape women? To not send cock pics or expose their cocks during a date? To respect women and to respect themselves? To not abuse or use women?

Why is it so wrong to analyze a man's life and see one catastrophic problem with his behavior that freaks all people out..and teach him to change it?

PUAs teach men to snatch up numbers within 5 min of meeting a woman and f**k 'em and leave 'em......I teach men how to be better men. This, on a worldwide level....

All life is a game gentlemen. Pieces of the puzzle fit nicely if you free your mind and turn away from negative dwelling thoughts. I too never thought there could be things in my behavior that could adversely affect the way people and women look at me. Like all men, my initial instinctual reactions were often wrong. When I stopped blabbering and being negative and reversed my thought process, everything changed. Its not fake or phony or wrong.....it was a behavior change that was needed. Confidence isn't arrogance....and being a real man, isn't phony...

Now your contradicting yourself even moreso. You just said that wanting sex in the beginning of the dating stage is a bad thing and that sex shouldn't be until later on, now you're saying it is initial. And wikipedia is not a trustable source, if you didn't know.

I didnt say all american women are evil monsters. I said that most of them go for that PUA guru stuff that you're promoting. And there is no difference between a PUA and a date coach for the record. You just slapped a different name on it, because of the sleazy reputation that PUA's get. Don't make it sound like you're Hitch. Everything you've been saying which is untrue, is some of the same stuff that PUA's say. You keep saying that men that don't go for this PUA fake "game" to get women with superficial values and judgemental sensabilities aren't real men. Real men are authentic, genuine, down to earth, and like intelligent conversation with good women and good people. A real man is not someone who acts and tries to be someone they're not just to attract women who have no quality. The men who believe in all the "game" and PUA are not real men.

Now you're changing the subject. I didn't say anything about harassing, raping women, or sexting or stalking them. And good real men know not to do that $h!te. In fact it's usually the tough guy alpha male PUA types of guys that do that sort of stuff.

And once again, you have not answered my question. If you are allegedly so successful, why are on this forum? Sounds like you're doing real good in america with superficial american girls. This forum is mostly for men who are looking abroad for better more quality women and who don't like 'game", alpha males, and PUAs. You sound like the only one in favor of this stuff.

[QuestionMark]

And as I said in an earlier post. I'm not a PUA and dont favor the lifestyle. I'm a date coach. Big difference. My website...which, yes will be a pay site, will have a disclaimer that all men must sign to get in pledging that they will not use the info given to hurt or take advantage of women. What I know is DEADLY info. It is not for the weak minded or those with no filter or the careless and wreckless.

Of course will charge. I have thousands of hours studying this shit and i know my stuff. I guarantee there are things I can teach a man that will change his life on so many levels. If he can't afford 100.00 for a membership and would rather jerk off to p**n or continue to spin his wheels with the same behavior, thats on him. My info is far better more genuine and cheaper than the other dorks out there. But I reiterate, I do not teach a fake and phony approach to dating women. I teach men how to be men and how to understand women. All on a worldwide level.

Same as PUA, that's exactly what they say. And same contradictions too.

[QuestionMark]

Enticer, what you're advocating is the mainstream idea in american and western culture of what it is to be a man, a successful man, and a successful man with women. It's too bad that you can't see the other side and that this is a bad thing, and part of the reason why america is going down the drain, and why america has some of the social problems that exist among the sexes.

[Enticer]

You do realize that chronic denial and negativity is a form of mental illness?

Here are 3 studies on the mate selection process in females, based solely on a sexual response upon initial interaction with a potential mate.

http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/9/1269.full

http://web.udl.es/usuaris/e4650869/doce ... omplex.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2408657/

You're trying to put words in my mouth. I said that women see men as sexual mates initially on a subconscious level but acting on this takes time. This is why sending cock pics and exposing ones self on the first date isnt a good idea.

Again...what traits do YOU feel a man has to have to form attraction and interest in females?

[Enticer]

You asked about my success? With women or in general? What do you want to know?

The short story is that i'm studying dating and women abroad to possibly meet and marry someone special. That has nothing to do with dating. I teach dating protocols, not marriage. I'm VERY select....date and f**k beautiful women any time I want. If i do marriage again, it needs to be right. But, that has nothing to do with dating protocols and understanding the mate selection process.

[Cornfed]

But, the mate selection process at its core is universal. In polls i have conducted on a worldwide basis...of over 1000 women, there was all 5 common core traits for attraction:

In order of importance:

1. Confidence
2. Intelligence
3. Sense of humor
4. Be interested in her
5. Look and smell presentable

Suppose we compared a bunch of accomplished scientists to a bunch of small-time hoodrats who were in and out of prison. Who would you expect to have the most hos/baby mamas and who would you expect to score higher on your list?

[Enticer]

Cornfed, i think you have been drinking to much kool-aid or bad sacci abroad because that made no sense whatsoever. Another try in english?

[Cornfed]

Cornfed, i think you have been drinking to much kool-aid or bad sacci abroad because that made no sense whatsoever. Another try in english?

It is a matter of common experience in the West that scum are desired by females whereas accomplished men are often not. Therefore, career criminal losers often father multiple children by different females, whereas accomplished professionals often can't get a date, other than from golddiggers wanting to steal their money. Hence your list is nonsense.

[Enticer]

Incorrect. As I mentioned, my research and polls were done and continue to be done worldwide. The basic responses are the same. Yes of course...some women in the west, particularly AW like scumbag boys. Some women also marry for money. But at the end of the day...minus the exceptions to the rule....women overall like the man with the best attributes and most to offer. The alpha may not mean much when the talent pool is low....so it seems as if she settles for anything.

For example. If a girl only has 3 men to choose from....and all 3 are similar, she may choose one that appears to be the "beta" or "omega"...if we must use these terms. But if she is around 10 guys...and has a lot more to choose from, her choice may be more clear. Depending on culture, some women will be less or more fickle or easy to date or difficult.

But at the end of the day, men love beauty...and women love strength. In dating and often relationships, they will flee from desperate, over emotional weak men. And bad boys? That isn't only a western thing...alcoholism, wife beating and even perversion are BIG problems in countries like the Philipines, Japan and Russia. Women stick with those guys for life....

But, we're talking dating and attraction. Most men dont get it....I do and have excelled at it. I teach that. I teach men to respect women and to be the best man they can be. That is something many PUAs dont do...

[Cornfed]

You do realize that chronic denial and negativity is a form of mental illness?

Here are 3 studies on the mate selection process in females, based solely on a sexual response upon initial interaction with a potential mate.

http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/9/1269.full

http://web.udl.es/usuaris/e4650869/doce ... omplex.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2408657/

I don't see how these papers have any relevance to the issue at hand.