Do you think it is narcissism that leads to mass shootings?

[Temprano26]

I saw that mass shooter kid's Youtube video and while he is clearly a rambling loser I can't argue with what he said as I have seen it myself. I have been a loner much of my life in the US and often times when I have gone out I have run into people that wear their narcissistic/judgmental attitudes on their faces. We have spoke on this board time and again about how we go out places that are full of people and yet nobody sees us because they are absorbed in themselves. People close everyone else out in their stupid cliques where there is no world that exists outside of it. It really sucks being deliberately treated like you don't exist. That is the narcissism that kid was referring to.

The other narcissism is this kid making these self-indulgent youtube videos rambling about how angry he is that he can't get laid even though he is wealthy and drives a BMW. There are a lot of frustrated lonely guys but we are not all opening fire on the streets. There has become this disturbing cycle of ignoring people, forcing them to be lonely and they wallow in their loneliness on social media and ultimately become famous for being the murderer of the month. When did mass shootings become a part of our lives that are supposed to happen every few weeks?

[nicho12]

I saw that mass shooter kid's Youtube video and while he is clearly a rambling loser I can't argue with what he said as I have seen it myself. I have been a loner much of my life in the US and often times when I have gone out I have run into people that wear their narcissistic/judgmental attitudes on their faces. We have spoke on this board time and again about how we go out places that are full of people and yet nobody sees us because they are absorbed in themselves. People close everyone else out in their stupid cliques where there is no world that exists outside of it. It really sucks being deliberately treated like you don't exist. That is the narcissism that kid was referring to.

The other narcissism is this kid making these self-indulgent youtube videos rambling about how angry he is that he can't get laid even though he is wealthy and drives a BMW. There are a lot of frustrated lonely guys but we are not all opening fire on the streets. There has become this disturbing cycle of ignoring people, forcing them to be lonely and they wallow in their loneliness on social media and ultimately become famous for being the murderer of the month. When did mass shootings become a part of our lives that are supposed to happen every few weeks?

As I have stated before, American society seems to be coming apart almost month by month and the media keeps fueling it. No society can survive and prosper in the long run when most people are individualists only caring about themselves and no one else matters, when you have a large number of frustrated males in society, then it's just a matter of time that it will break up and every body in that society narcissist or not will pay a heavy price. I personally stopped contributing to this society long time ago, of course I won't go out and shoot people but I would never contribute to a society that shames men and puts women on a pedestal, I just make my money bang escorts and that's it, I won't even have kids coz why brings children in this sick world so that the elites can profit off of them while they get nothing in return especially if they're males

[Tsar]

It's not narcissism that causes shootings. It's hopeless, despair, depression, and suicidal thoughts combined with the desire to take people out before they go out themselves. It's like terrorists that has nothing else to live for and blow themselves up just to take people out with them. They were and are troubled people that thought death was the solution and they weren't going to go out alone in their suicide.

Going out anywhere is dangerous in America because anywhere could be a target. Laid off employees, frustrated young men, terrorists, disgruntled Americans, or the common psychopathic criminals that control the streets in many cities. The root of violent crime is usually hopeless or despair, and psychopaths are most likely to commit violent crime.

Shootings were gradually building up since the 1960s. The severity, consistency, and causalities have been increasing over time. Things will most likely be getting a lot worse in America.

[steve55]

Here is the expert opinion I have about this subject taken directly from my site global dating solution:

Just as overall crime rates were beginning to sink in the mid 1990’s, a special type of violent crime was becoming more and more common; school shootings. Virtually unheard of prior to 1996, school shootings began occurring more and more frequently. Take the Columbine school shooting for example. In videotapes made before the April 1999 massacre at Columbine high school, shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold debated which famous director would film their story. Harris makes several statements that are shockingly similar to items on the narcissistic Personality Inventory. “Isn’t it fun to get the respect we’re going to deserve?â€￾ he asks while picking up a gun and making a shooting noise, similar to the NPI item “ I insist upon getting the respect that is due me.â€￾ He also said , “I could convince them that I’m going to climb Mount Everest, or I have a twin brother growing out of my back. I can make you believe anything.â€￾ This is similar to the NPI item “I can make anyone believe anything I want them to.â€￾ All these shooters clearly had problems that went beyond narcissism. For one thing, all were socially rejected by others. We set up a lab study that measured narcissism, manipulated social rejection, and then assessed aggression. The results – participants who were both narcissistic and socially rejected by others were highly aggressive toward someone else –similar to the pattern that appears in many mass shootings. As David Von Drehle put in Time magazine after the Virginia Tech slayings, “It’s not about guns or culture. It’s narcissism. Only a narcissist could decide that his alienation should be underlined in the blood of strangers.â€￾ Given the upswing in the narcissistic values of American culture since the 90’s, it may be no coincidence that mass shootings became a national plague around this time. As American culture has grown more focused on self-admiration and more enamored with celebrity and fame, and now that mass killing in schools is seen as a direct avenue to fame and attention, the frequency of mass killings has increased dramatically. Fistfights that have gotten wide exposure have shown a similar pattern. After the Florida beating, a younger group of girls in N Carolina carried out what appeared to be a copy cat assault on another girl. Narcissism is linked to violent crime in certain contexts: when there is the possibility of gaining fame, and when there is an ego threat or rejection.(The Narcissism Epidemic, pg 192)

Narcissism is a significant risk factor for aggressive and violent behavior. In our culture of self-admiration, it seems paradoxical that a narcissist – who, after all, admires himself quite a bit –would hurt someone else. Americans subscribe to the idea that if you like yourself, you will like other people and thus won’t be aggressive. However, narcissists are aggressive exactly because they love themselves so much and believe that their needs take precedence. They lack empathy for other people’s pain and often lash out when they feel they aren’t getting the respect they deserve-and they feel they deserve a lot, because they are, of course, better than everyone else. Consider the mass murderers in history, such as Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, or Stalin. Do they strike you as people with low self-esteem? No they were so confident in themselves and their beliefs that they killed millions of people. Their narcissism allowed them to disregard the most basic rights of others. (The Narcissism Epidemic, pg 196)

Narcissists are also aggressive when someone tries to restrict their freedom. “Who are you to tell me what I can or can’t do.â€￾ (The Narcissism Epidemic, pg 196)



"During both my professional careers (criminal law and psychology), two areas of particular interest to me have been psychopathy and narcissism. Psychopathy is generally viewed as a particularly virulent form of narcissism, in which the person is not only very much focused on herself, or himself, but also highly manipulative, sometimes sadistic, and very much into control and power. One prominent characteristic of psychopathy is the presence of what is usually called a “glib, superficial charm.â€￾ These people are usually able, at least in the short term, to win over others very easily. They would generally be described as “very attractiveâ€￾ people (on the surface). Sometimes a person who merits the designation “psychopathâ€￾ goes into a path of criminal activity (many, but not all, serial killers are psychopaths, and criminals known as “con artistsâ€￾ are often psychopaths); other times, the psychopath will be engaged in a legitimate career (politics, academia, corporate leadership). The key is not the type of activity the person engages in, but the degree of control s/he exercises over others.

Underneath the superficial charm, the narcissist/psychopath always has a “me-firstâ€￾ mentality. If you work with such a person, you may begin to see signs that s/he thinks that everything is about her; and, crucially, it will become clear that control/power is a major part of her game plan. However, this can be well concealed beneath a veneer of friendliness and concern for others; it may not become clearly evident until s/he receives what is known as a “narcissistic injury.â€￾ A person who is truly narcissistic will respond with extreme anger if s/he receives a challenge to her ego (an ego that is both fragile, and strongly defended). This response may look like an overblown rage fit, following a minor slight; or it may take the form of a cold vindictiveness, administered by acts of retaliation. These responses can be very shocking, even frightening, to the person who unwittingly triggered or evoked the narcissistic injury (by getting in the way of the narcissist’s plans, for example, or by displaying a lack of full approval and appreciation for the narcissist’s brilliant ideas)."

[Cornfed]

There are a lot of frustrated lonely guys but we are not all opening fire on the streets.

Might that not be part of the problem? If men just accept abuse with good grace, how do they expect it to end?

[Tsar]

There are a lot of frustrated lonely guys but we are not all opening fire on the streets.

Might that not be part of the problem? If men just accept abuse with good grace, how do they expect it to end?

Leave in an exodus and allow society to collapse like Sodom and Gomorrah. Find better places to live where they get respect and don't suffer abuse. Then the unscrupulous women, the corrupt elites, the thuggish bad boy, and the violent criminals can live together in a toxic wasteland of murder and thievery cannibalizing off each other. Their actions don't accomplish anything.

[Temprano26]

But isn't it narcissism that leads to despair? People are absorbed in themselves refusing to acknowledge the lonely young man and thus his loneliness deepens and his despair continues.

[Cornfed]

But isn't it narcissism that leads to despair? People are absorbed in themselves refusing to acknowledge the lonely young man and thus his loneliness deepens and his despair continues.

Partly, but the main problem is that the system is set up to financially and biologically reward lousy behavior, especially from females.

[Tsar]

But isn't it narcissism that leads to despair? People are absorbed in themselves refusing to acknowledge the lonely young man and thus his loneliness deepens and his despair continues.

Maybe it's partially the narcissism of others but not one's individual narcissism. It's more about how everyone blames the victim or points fingers at who is to blame for letting it happen rather than realizing it's a sick and depraved society that is responsible. If things were different that wouldn't have happened. The shooters are victims of a sick society and not even most counselors can help that kind of victim. Drugs for depression won't do anything because if a person is depressed for legitimate reasons then drugs won't work, treating the root of the problem would remove the depression and cure the despair. They won't be cured with an anti-depressant or counseling if the problem is caused by the society. It's not about changing oneself to find happiness, it's about remaining genuine and changing one's location to find happiness. Nationalism and patriotism have become dogmatic and akin to the State religion of America. To say America is the problem, isn't the best, isn't exceptional, is corrupt, lacks opportunity, or lacks quality women are all forms of blasphemy against the state. People who speak out against it are heretics among most people, and many people are quick to verbally attack the heretic and defend the State. This is especially true among the upper-class elites that thrive off the current system. Some people aren't dogmatic and are relatively open to hearing criticism about America, while many people are dogmatic and exalt the State. The moment people awaken and realize that America isn't exceptional in the 21st Century then they could try to make it exceptional. America was very exceptional after WWII up until the 1960s because of the resulting circumstances and because it had a neighborliness and everyone would give other people a chance and the economy was booming. The world was a larger place and the American economy was largely based on things in America. Costs were reasonable and their wasn't an artificial ponzi-scheme financial system. It was more Christian, less secular, not as promiscuous, and less hedonistic. There was less availability of credit and little depravity. Today America is not exceptional. I will leave as soon as I have enough money and have the ability start a new life abroad.

[Tsar]

Worshipping the State: How Liberalism Became Our State Religion Hardcover by Benjamin Wiker


That should give a very good read on the topic.