Repatriate wrote:
Once again. Marketing.
There is some merit to what he says. Women aren't visually turned on all the time and they don't always show clear interest. Sometimes you need to take the effort to go out there and probe around to see what bites. In order to do so you also need to be socially attuned to your environment so you don't make an ass of yourself or turn off potential dates while doing so. That doesn't mean that all women will be interested in what you have to say or even half. It also doesn't mean that David DeAngelo is claiming some secret method to influence women. He's just teaching social skills which people who are already naturals at picking up women understand already.
Like I said before this is no different than what high level salespeople are taught. My buddy who works as a pharmaceuticals salesperson makes a ton of money and he told me that he had a good chuckle when he read The Game because a lot of the PUA stuff was culled directly from selling/buying techniques that the big players use.
But don't you have a problem with false marketing or misleading claims? They all claim that if you follow a "system" that you are guaranteed results, even if you are ugly. You don't have a problem with such dishonesty?
It's not about merit in what he says, it's about the core issue of whether the average dateless but decent guy with no major defects stands to get better results in dating from PUA or from Global Dating. I submit that the average guy will get better results with Global Dating. I've seen it many times with my own eyes and experiences. But I have never seen a guy get dates from PUA techniques.
Have you?
Can you explain what you mean by "social skills"? That is a very broad concept. Do you mean how good you are at reading people, at BSing or persuading people? Or how good you are at getting along with everyone? Those are all different skills. There is no formula that predicts people's behaviors or that you can use to control people. That's BS.
People reading skills comes naturally with experience and insight. Communication skills are developed and some of it can't be taught. Sales, or BSing, is stupid to me. It does not work on me, and the techniques are too obvious and I see right through them. As a skilled debunker I can quickly expose what they are doing. I've had sales people push my chair into me, which was very inappropriate, out of frustration cause I couldn't be pressured to sign on the line and commit. They go crazy around me. So I have no idea what these "skills" are since they don't even work in my book. If they work, they must work on really stupid people.
The sales techniques in the US are shit and very obvious and easy to identify. Why they still work is beyond me.
But I don't see what that has to do with PUA. And even if PUA worked, it doesn't get long term results or attract quality women. It would only work on dumb airheads.
But getting back to the point. DeAngelo does not CLAIM to just teach social skills. So why are you making that claim about him, when he doesn't make it himself? In a way, you are misrepresenting him. What he claims is that you can create attraction by being cocky and funny and busting her balls, teasing her, calling her a brat, playing hard to get, etc. Look it up. He makes this claim over and over again.
That's his claim. Do you agree with it? Will being cocky and funny make a girl want me if she doesn't?
Something doesn't have to work 100% for everyone or for even most guys for it to be considered effective. I'm sure you can teach a lot of people martial arts but only a small minority will ever be skilled enough to master the techniques. It's the same principle behind PUA or daytrading or even mountain climbing.
Some people are just terrible at social skills, dressing, etc.. and will never get it.
Yeah but don't you see the significance here? What I advocate with Global Dating doesn't require a skill to master. You just be yourself. That's why it works for most guys. Isn't that better?
Don't you agree that dating and relationships should be natural and involve a connection of your NATURAL selves, rather than some technique?
Short simplistic answer: Young women are frequently superficial, naive, and socially insecure. This means that if you want to catch the right fish you need the right bait. Part of that is being able to bullshit. I'm sure your characteristics are very attractive to older women who have "been there" and want a nice intelligent genuine conversationalist but most young women just want to have fun and have the guy push the right emotional buttons for them. That's what it boils down to. It's a bit of a misogynistic answer to your question but it's the truth.
True, in the US they are. But such techniques only get dumb airheads, not quality girls. That's the problem. Plus, most of the time they don't work. And why should I be something I'm not? That's not good for my psychological balance either.