ladislav wrote:There are certain areas of Thailand that are "paradise" for white men- as compared with rotting away in Podunk, WS, but one thing I have noticed about Thailand- Thais of the same class or higher do not really like white men. They will accept E/SE Asian man but rarely a white one. Lived and worked there and speak the language. A big disappointment.
Most white men either get hookers that have already been popped by Thai guys and other hand me downs, or end up with the cast offs of the Thai society. Getting a normal Thai girl of the same education as you who is decent looking is not easy if you are a white man. Unless you are a big shot exec. But even then for a good decent Thai girl to be seen with a white guy in public is a shame.
E/SE Asian guys do not have that problem. So , I would say Thailand is really a paradise for well heeled Malaysians, Singaporeans, TWese, HKese, etc. Not for a sincere white guy looking for a romantic home with love and all.
Don't like the place at all!
I went over this in another post. You don't like the place, I can understand this as it's not for everyone. But there are many farang living here with non-working girls and who are treated well. I understand this may be my experience but I know a large number of foreigners who have girlfriend and wives who would not dream of selling their asses.
Ladislav, perhaps it's difficult for you for whatever reason, I don't know, but I've been married to an educated, middle-class Thai for 13 years, and I"m no CEO or big shot executive. I will send Rock a couple of photos so he can see as I'm not going to post them on this forum. For what it's worth, I do have fair game though and I'm not intimidated by women. Oh, and I did not pay a dowry nor was I requested to do so.
If I remember correctly you said that "they hate you" in Thailand. False. Some may not love you but does everyone love you in your home country? Also, if you dress like shit and look or act low class, most Thais won't give you the time of day unless they're low class as well. Not saying this is why you have a hard time here but for some, it's definitely a reason. Obviously you and Thailand don't mesh.
theprimebait wrote:unless youre marrying a guaranteed virgin ,most thai women a white man can find will be a former hoe or a con woman.
its a great place for f***ing hoe$ ,but thats it.
Huh? Really? Jesus it astounds me how very little people actually know of Thailand. The women are no different than elsewhere - they want a stable man who is capable of being a man, who takes care of himself, physically and otherwise.
There are plenty of idiots farang to make it seem like all of them are getting married to Thai hookers but many, like myself, wouldn't be caught dead in a relationship with a ho. After you've been here a bit you ought to be sharp enough to realize the hos are for banging while you're working on any semi-serious relationship.
They are not subtle if you know the language. I do pretty well. So the horrible things they say and the way they call can you make your ears wither.
Well, I also speak the language (and read and write it) and I never seem to hear them say "horrible things." NEVER. Sometimes they may call a man or a woman chubby, fat, or if they're black, ผิวดำ or black skinned.
ladislav wrote:Would you like for one of our members to end up like this because he is a white guy?
Oh and can you read Thai schoolbooks and understand what the Thai teachers teach their children? Can you understand what they say on TV? Have you lived in Thailand long term to really understand what goes on? I don't think so. Unless you do, this argument is invalid.
I no longer wish to argue on unequal terms and post here. This is just a total waste of time.
Well I've lived here long-term, much longer than you, does that make our conversation unequal? I can read the Thai schoolbooks and I do almost daily when helping my kids with their homework. I have two children here and they're half-Thai, half American and they are not discriminated against one bit. In fact, they have many Thai friends and little Thai girls who are constantly messaging and calling them. Maybe they're just lucky.
I'm really not sure where you're coming from...to me, for whatever reason, you have a real hard-on for Thais. I have a saying, "Thailand is like an onion in that you peel away the layers and believe you start knowing the culture. But there are so many layers it is rare a foreigner truly knows Thailand." You don't have to know everything about a country to have a great time in it but even after 17 years I do not claim to know everything about the country or even close to it. Also, name a city here in Thailand and I have probably been in it, even those most have never heard of.
If Gordon Ramsey had only been cooking for three years, would he be considered an expert? I don't think so. There are so many experts on Thailand it makes me laugh. In actuality, there are very few.
Also, yes, as you seem to always fall back on the, "this is anecdotal" argument. In the end, isn't anything that cannot be measured anecdotal? Are all the posts on the hundreds of travel forums and forums like this one unworthy or untrue simply because they're based on experiences?
I will say this...I guarantee you I've experienced far more in my time here than you have in many more places, not only here but in SEA. I have many friends who have been here 15-20 years, and they also have had their share of experiences. I understand your experiences are not the same as other people who visit the country but if Thailand is such a horrible place why do so many WHITE tourists and expats come here and live here? Stupidity? Please....your argument about Thais hating white people has more holes in it than Swiss cheese and your posts about Thailand on this board are all negative. Is there anything positive about the country?
Remember this...lay down with dogs and you catch fleas. Hang out in beer bars and go-gos, you get the worst of the society. How many times have you met the manager of a company, a nurse, a doctor, or a bookkeeper selling her ass in Nana Plaza?
In my opinion there is no such thing as paradise and Thailand certainly has it's share of problems. But Ladislav, you make it seem as if it's the worst place on earth for non-Asians which is simply false. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you but you can say what you want about my information being anecdotal, the fact is many, many white males come to Thailand and have a fantastic time here. Some are sex tourists, others are not. Some make the mistake of hooking up with prostitutes, others end up with good, solid women.
I came here to train in Muay Thai. Although I knew the women were pretty and treated you well from my friends in the US and the Netherlands, I knew very little about the women and the sex industry. At the time, the internet and internet forums were still relatively undeveloped and I didn't use it anywhere near as much as I do now.
Thailand is much safer than the PI in my opinion.
One last thing and I also say this quite often....if you are foolish enough to come to Thailand, fall in love, and get married in a month or two, do you really expect the marriage to be a success? It is difficult enough to be married to a woman you know for a considerable length of time. Add in the difference in cultures and it gets even more difficult. If she's a ho, forget about it...the chances are next to nil it will work. This brings me to a couple of my golden rules:
1) Do not get emotionally involved with a working girl, ie; go-go dancer, bar girl, massage parlor girl, etc. PERIOD.
2) Never send a Thai woman money, EVER.
3) If she isn't supporting herself or have some sort of plan for her life other than sitting around on the farm, don't get involved with her.
4) If she sleeps all day, boot her ass. She's lazy.
5) Despite what you may think, if you hook up with a woman in need of money, she is NOT different. There is none this, "This girl is different." Bullshit.
6) Always assume they are a woman of substance but prepare yourself mentally and emotionally in the event they are not.
7) Abide by the two day rule. This means you can go with a ho once or twice, but never thrice. If you're getting them off or paying them well, by date three they'll be trying to set their hooks in you.
Don't ever buy into the "Mama is sick, daddy needs operation, the buffalo died."
9) Use the whores for what they are intended, sex. You can have fun with them, treat them well, but in the end, it's business.
10) Do not get emotionally involved with a working girl.
Ask yourself this, why would a man only want a long-term relationship with an uneducated, needy woman only for her looks? Serial monogamy maybe but I don't care how hot they are, how good looking they are, if they're an idiot, can't do anything for themselves, or are always bugging me for cash, they're just a sperm hole and that's all they'll ever be. They won't last with me.
BTW Ladislav - you keep saying you speak Thai and were a long-term resident and the readers should decide. They should definitely decide for themselves.
Just curious, what type of visa did you have?
I also am a long term resident and I will again say that your experience as a white male in Thailand is far, far different from my own and my white friends and your interactions with Thais and their reactions to you are atypical.
