Rooshv Exposed as a Perfect Sociopath

Post by **Winston** » October 8th, 2014, 2:49 am

So Roosh bans a guy just because he pays a woman for sex? WTF? Why? Is Roosh supposed to have high and pure morals or something? lol. Even Jesus did not ban prostitutes from being among his followers.

Btw, I don't understand this thread on Roosh. Is Roosh saying that Greek Kamaki and PaloAltoGuy are the same person?

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-41043-page-3.html

Post by **Winston** » October 8th, 2014, 3:11 am

The wrote:How stupid can Greek Kamaki be to even want to hang out with a member of ANY forum!

Me personally, I like to read Roosh V's stuff but I would never actually hang out with Roosh V in real life!! Come on!

That's not true. Many of us on this forum have met and it's always been a positive experience. Ask Rock, Fschmidt, and others.

The guys on Roosh are low lifes. So they aren't a good barometer to go by.

Listen to how Roosh talks on his own forum about meeting Greek Kamaki. His own words reveal the kind of person he is.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-41043.html

Roosh wrote: I don't post details of my meetings with RVF members but this particular meeting revealed details that members who have been reading his posts should know about.

We meet up somewhere in Poland and decide to hit a club. We were a bit of a mismatch since our ages and background were so different, but that wasn't a huge deal.

I eventually approach a pretty blonde girl and it goes well. She has three friends but they let me game her since she obviously likes me. Kamaki was doing his own thing elsewhere in the club. After about 45 minutes, Kamaki appears and starts talking to one of her friends without me setting up an introduction. My girl asks if I know him and I said, "We met at the Starbucks today."

So my girl starts touching me and getting closer. She's complimenting me and based on my experience, this has a high chance of leading to intimacy. I'm getting ready to buckle down a bit, build some comfort, dance a little, and so on. Then one of her friend's comes to tell her something and causes her face to turn upside down. Then she tells me this:

"Your friend just offered my friend a gift or something in exchange for him having sex with her."

My girl immediately goes cold and asks me if I think she's a prostitute. She asks me if I also do that, offering things for sex. It's obvious she's very upset. It was a bad scene, one of the most uncomfortable I've had in Eastern Europe, with a girl who I was taking a liking to. One hour of work on her was completely gone because Kamaki solicited her friend in a normal club.

I confronted him later in the night when I ran into him on the street. He said that she misunderstood, that something went wrong in the translation. I said, "But she told her the exact same thing you write about doing in Ukraine, about offering gifts in exchange for sex."

"Yeah but I only do that in Ukraine, not here."

"Whatever you said, you ended up f***ing me over."

I told him that I couldn't possibly associate with him further and we parted ways.

This could have been much worse for me. If the girls complained about him to the club, I may have been questioned by the staff and kicked out. I'm "lucky" that I only lost out on sex with a very attractive girl, but the damage may persist for me if she tells her friends. I'm not in a huge city.

After hearing Kamaki's strong denial to me, I don't believe him. A random girl who doesn't know about the forum confronted me about him doing the exact same thing he has written about here. While I don't think he purposefully wanted to hurt me, the collateral damage from his whoremongering is such that I was greatly affected by it. I must also add that I felt a strong stench around me after Kamaki's actions were revealed. The whoremonger stain is quite foul to those who don't partake in it.

Kamaki has nearly 5,000 posts on this forum. Along with my observation of him in action, my instinct now tells me that the majority of his game is approaching girls and offering gifts or money for sex, wherever he goes. This realization gives sense to his posts, whereby his information is either slightly accurate or completely off-base. Whoremongers get treated differently than guys like us, so that's why their advice on women are a few notes off.

As you know, RVF is not a P4P forum and is also not a forum for whoremongers to post on even if they don't mention it outright. Whoremongers have a different mentality that I want to keep far away from my sites. While I'm obviously not pleased that Kamaki served me a nuclear cockblock, I'm less pleased that his contributions have possibly polluted the forum. Therefore his posting will be indefinitely suspended before an outright ban. He can save his PM's or subscribed threads for the time being. His lifestyle and game does not match RVF values. My meeting with Kamaki was a negative experience and I hope by writing it here I can avoid the same fate for others. If you see posts by guys promoting p4p here, hit the report button.

I must also state that I am having repeated bad experiences with non-Western guys. The pattern is clear enough that unless you're American/Canadian/British or Western European, I have to weigh the risk in meeting you.

starchild5 · Post by **starchild5** » October 8th, 2014, 3:54 am

Simple. He is a fraud. His morals are as good as the size of his ugly beard

He dislikes, bans people with his Alpha Ego not based on any standards...He creates rules as he goes...Judges people as he feels fit. One can't question, debate his standard of banning people...He just does it out of his Persian DNA Impulse..

One member even wrote this

The Persian and the greek are never well in intermixing. Eternal grudge held for the invasions of Alexander.

He made it sound funny at the end fearing getting banned by Mr Ego himself.

He is thriving in fakeness just because he is from US ...I guess America can do this to people...He is way out of touch with reality ....He would be an utterly normal guy in Iran.

He hates people from rest of the world...except Caucasians...because they are the only ones who would take his sh*t without questions....

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-41043.html

Quote " I must also state that I am having repeated bad experiences with non-Western guys. The pattern is clear enough that unless you're American/Canadian/British or Western European, I have to weigh the risk in meeting you."

LOL...The real reason is....Western Countries are way too generous in accepting immigrants and then letting them take advantage of their overly good nature. He won't fly anywhere except in western countries. People in third world countries, have better Bull Shit Detector having to deal with scammers and fraudsters all their life, hence his hate for Non-Western guys, because then he would have to deal with reality not delusion.

Greek kamaki · Post by **Greek kamaki** » October 8th, 2014, 2:05 pm

Roosh is crazy.In general I do not have problem with crazy people I like them but is a different style of craziness.Still I forgive him because he damaged himself.

Greek kamaki · Post by **Greek kamaki** » October 8th, 2014, 2:15 pm

starchild5 wrote:Simple. He is a fraud. His morals are as good as the size of his ugly beard

He dislikes, bans people with his Alpha Ego not based on any standards...He creates rules as he goes...Judges people as he feels fit. One can't question, debate his standard of banning people...He just does it out of his Persian DNA Impulse..

One member even wrote this

The Persian and the greek are never well in intermixing. Eternal grudge held for the invasions of Alexander.

He made it sound funny at the end fearing getting banned by Mr Ego himself.

He is thriving in fakeness just because he is from US ...I guess America can do this to people...He is way out of touch with reality ....He would be an utterly normal guy in Iran.

He hates people from rest of the world...except Caucasians...because they are the only ones who would take his sh*t without questions....

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-41043.html

Quote " I must also state that I am having repeated bad experiences with non-Western guys. The pattern is clear enough that unless you're American/Canadian/British or Western European, I have to weigh the risk in meeting you."

LOL...The real reason is....Western Countries are way too generous in accepting immigrants and then letting them take advantage of their overly good nature. He won't fly anywhere except in western countries. People in third world countries, have better Bull Shit Detector having to deal with scammers and fraudsters all their life, hence his hate for Non-Western guys, because then he would have to deal with reality not delusion.

The guy has gone through hardships.I give him that.It is not easy if you come from USA.He could have all luxuries yet he abandoned them and it shows.But there is this absolutism black and white in blood which remains which I am not familiar with.I guess any American values cannot wash out the hardcore core.
Western men simply would never do what I did they would just hang out and be pleasant I only cared about pick up and fast success.In fact I had not come to Poland to meet roosh I had come to meet girls and I had only 2 days.
He on the other hand plays Monopoly american style he has all the advantages on his side residence ,US origin,plenty of time etc so I had to compensate.He saw this as aggression and insult.

Greek kamaki · Post by **Greek kamaki** » October 8th, 2014, 2:26 pm

starchild5 wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:After thinking about this, I actually think there could have been a misunderstanding. It looks like they were in Poland. So did any of these guys speak Polish? Did the women speak English? There could have been a misunderstanding. This GK guy seems too sophisticated to offer money to a woman in a regular nightclub.
They were in Ukraine. Yep. Greek Kamaki has shared more valuable information than roosh himself and he never comes across as a D**k..thats why that thread has so many replies....Most members have hard time believing if GK could do such thing as roosh describes....This looks more like - Roosh met a guy - who had better game than him and his little ego could not take it....

The thing that pisses most is - You are not giving a space for one of the most valuable member to share his side of the story....Just outright banning a member that of GK status is ridiculous -

This looks more like a sharia law than a sane way of moderating a forum - Considering his background - Its no surprise....

Exactly.I did never happen.I never offered money to any of these girls.Roosh changed basic facts of the story and he did not want me to post otherwise it would come out.It is not only whether I offered the girls money or not but also the rest of narration and the facts,He has changed it.
Fotpr example I talked to 2 girls not one,I left them they did not leave me,the whole conversation was in friendly positive mode,nothing happened and they were 10% of my activity in the club since I approached 10 more women at least in this club and more in other clubs the same night.
I was the one who met roosh and this was in the club and not in the street as he mentions because I wanted to come to clubs with better chances of success.
Roosh is good at serious pick up from beginning to the end but lacks in quick action and reading social situations.He had no idea of the environment around us.

Greek kamaki · Post by **Greek kamaki** » October 8th, 2014, 2:33 pm

The wrote:How stupid can Greek Kamaki be to even want to hang out with a member of ANY forum!

Me personally, I like to read Roosh V's stuff but I would never actually hang out with Roosh V in real life!! Come on!

You are right a bit.But roosh is not so bad.My impressions about him were mostly positive.O.K. superficial etc monolithic views but I could not imagine the degree of phanaticism and extremism on these guys.It is american education or middle age roots?They see everything black and white.
If you are the most clever maybe I accept.But with the middle?WTF?This is entitlement.

Greek kamaki · Post by **Greek kamaki** » October 8th, 2014, 2:45 pm

MrPeabody wrote:I thought his reason for banning a p4p whoremonger was valid. They do distort the truth and provide horrible advice for men who want to date regular women and they never identify themselves. The typical example are the regular posts all over the Internet that Thai women only want money, when all the guys posting those claims approached only whores for money in the first place. Well, Duh. They could be accurate and just say only Thai Whores want money because that is all I approach. The man who was banned apparently gave out a ton of advice which is now suspect and some have already verified to be false. At this point, the only thing I trust in is my own experience. Even at its best, the Internet has turned out to be a horrible way to get reliable information. Too many fakes and con men with dollar signs in their eyes. I only deal with people I meet in person. Back to the old methods.

Whoremonger.I have to laugh.I will ask you a question:How many whore mongers do you know operating in Poland?
Let's answer.Noone.Do you agree?Because no whoremonger has interest in Poland.He would go to Ukraine,SE Asia where it takes him.
My advice was extremely accurate and on the point.Roosh sees only the superficial things what you can understand after 2 days living in the place not known to sb who has never been there but I provided information worth of 2 years lieving there and veru comfortable.

Greek kamaki · Post by **Greek kamaki** » October 8th, 2014, 2:45 pm

MrPeabody wrote:I thought his reason for banning a p4p whoremonger was valid. They do distort the truth and provide horrible advice for men who want to date regular women and they never identify themselves. The typical example are the regular posts all over the Internet that Thai women only want money, when all the guys posting those claims approached only whores for money in the first place. Well, Duh. They could be accurate and just say only Thai Whores want money because that is all I approach. The man who was banned apparently gave out a ton of advice which is now suspect and some have already verified to be false. At this point, the only thing I trust in is my own experience. Even at its best, the Internet has turned out to be a horrible way to get reliable information. Too many fakes and con men with dollar signs in their eyes. I only deal with people I meet in person. Back to the old methods.

Whoremonger.I have to laugh.I will ask you a question:How many whore mongers do you know operating in Poland?
Let's answer.Noone.Do you agree?Because no whoremonger has interest in Poland.He would go to Ukraine,SE Asia where it takes him.
My advice was extremely accurate and on the point.Roosh sees only the superficial things what you can understand after 2 days living in the place not known to sb who has never been there but I provided information worth of 2 years living there and veru comfortable.

Greek kamaki · Post by **Greek kamaki** » October 8th, 2014, 2:55 pm

MarcosZeitola wrote:Roosh is a clown and so are those who believe him to still have (or ever have had) any relevance. A fool, followed by fools.

Perfect sociopaths are golddiggers, presidents, ministers and CEOs. They are the richest, the wealthiest, luckiest. The ones who screwed and schemed themselves to the top. Some faggot conman who acts like some Prophet of p***y isn't a 'perfect' sociopath in my opinion. He's merely a fool trying ever so hard to seem hard.

He is not a fool.He plays a game.Imagine that you play poker and around you are proffessionals,thieves,guys with advanced methods etc how would you react?This is the position of roosh.Roosh says we play poker we should all stick to the same rules.But this is utopia.

Greek kamaki · Post by **Greek kamaki** » October 8th, 2014, 3:07 pm

starchild5 wrote:
publicduende wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that. That's one of the problems with meeting people you feel like you know. Most of the time it is a let down on some level.....but there are some incredible people in the world. It's like the game, plow through the bad because the rewards are worth it.
LOL it adds up mate... You know I am no Roosh fan and, like most of the people here, consider him a pathetic posturing clown. I have to say though...that poster whom Roosh banned and irated you does sound like you. LOL you could have written that...it was you, admit it

Roosh and his movement really are the rock bottom, the hall of shame of any kind of discourse over gender dynamics, relationships, dating and even self-improvement. I know a lot of Indian people who, just like many other Asian cultures, love to be polite, inspired, and end up sounding a wee too cheesy for the macho keyboard warrior ways of the manosphere renegade that orbit around Roosh. I sometimes write like this and wouldn't last a day on RVF or RoK, even if my opinions were non-antagonistic and perfectly compliant to theirs.

The very fact Roosh has to be afraid of ruining his reputation because of a single acquaintance playing monger means whatever passes as his game is utterly fragile. A man worth his salt will be perfectly able to apologise and convince the baffled young lady at hand that he is a serious, smart and well-intentioned man. Which Roosh is not. LOL talk about having a guilty conscience to start with...
LOL...No...The guys is from US...check his old posts...Its not the first time.....He has banned members for saying lot less. This guy Greek Kamaki has shared lots of valuable information, forget that, he should have atleast be given a chance to say his side of things...No, We are suppose to take his word for what happened between them.

The guy had over 5000 posts, 100+ Rep and met many guys and this is the first time, he got such a negative rebuttal.

I researched a bit more and Roosh is Persian originally from Iran born in US. He displays the arrogance, cockiness, pseudo machismo of middle eastern people when they gain any following, plus the way they treat women...

I'm telling you this guy needs a good third world beating the one we see in youtube videos from Thailand. where western guys get beaten up for approaching wrong women.. thinking all Thai women are game..gosh...Such cockiness...He hasn't suffered, does not know what life is - Just living in a delusion thanks to the strength of dollar.....

Because I dared to write what many guys think but are afraid to write I really liberated them.I told them essentially take your cocks out and do not be afraid.But roosh and his supporters although revolutionists on surface are deep down conservativists with Islam notions they do not want the guys taking their cocks out and get in charge.It is not the Balkan style.

starchild5 · Post by **starchild5** » October 8th, 2014, 5:10 pm

Wow...GK....Thanks for clearing everything....I had suspected it from day 1 when he wrote about the encounter. If Roosh was credible..He would have given a space to share your side of the story and then solve it out like a man.

This shows...He is shady ..No one does that in this day and age considering the flow of information all over. His attitude is from 15th century Medieval times.

Its not about right and wrong on a higher level. You need to give chance to every one to put their side, even freemasonic, elite court system does that.

His accusations were one - sided....Who the hell he thinks he is ...We are suppose to take the word for whatever he says and follow him and not question anything...Even Buddha couldn't do it...People questioned Buddha all the time, Jesus all the time...

He believes he is untouchable, above rest of poor souls on the planet...His cockiness has overgrown his beard

Simply put...He is American Women in a Mans body

....Its the kind of vibe i get from him.

By the way...You will never have those issues here...Winston, the forum moderator operates on a way higher wavelength.

Thanks for sharing all your experiences.

droid · Post by **droid** » October 8th, 2014, 6:12 pm

the collateral damage from his whoremongering is such that I was greatly affected by it. I must also add that I felt a strong stench around me after Kamaki's actions were revealed. The whoremonger stain is quite foul to those who don't partake in it.
As you know, RVF is not a P4P forum and is also not a forum for whoremongers to post on even if they don't mention it outright. Whoremongers have a different mentality that I want to keep far away from my sites. While I'm obviously not pleased that Kamaki served me a nuclear cockblock, I'm less pleased that his contributions have possibly polluted the forum.

These PUAs take such a ridiculous moral high ground on this subject haha. Somehow they pretend to be refined traditional gentlemen with values. As if the instant ONS was that much different.
I guess it has to do with the delusion they still have about having some special "skills", as opposed to the reality they can't still fully admit of it being about location.

Jester · Post by **Jester** » October 8th, 2014, 9:11 pm

Winston wrote:So Roosh bans a guy just because he pays a woman for sex? WTF? Why? Is Roosh supposed to have high and pure morals or something? lol. Even Jesus did not ban hoes from being among his followers.

Btw, I don't understand this thread on Roosh. Is Roosh saying that Greek Kamaki and PaloAltoGuy are the same person?

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-41043-page-3.html

Please quote and post what you are talking about, Winston. The 1st 4 posts on that thread did not back up what you said. Please don't ask me to be a detective. Sherlock Holmes I'm not.

PS
My recall of GK is that he bragged about scoring, but was perhaps laying pros with a bit of class, definitely paying.