Should one feel ashamed about using P4P

[starchild5]

Thanks for your posts guys.. All really good and well thought out stuff. I ended up bringing a girl home last night. She was definitely, in my opinion, quite good looking. Why would I settle for a not very good looking girl when there are tons of girls in Thailand? I had met her a few nights previously but I agreed to meet her again. Overall it was a pleasant experience... We drank at the bar for a while played pool a few times then at about 11;30 we went to my place... lol.... I can't do this very often because it really isn't cheap.. I paid 1000 baht at the bar for drinks and everything, then I paid her $3000 for the night. It wasn't the price she made up it was just the price I offered. Not too worried about it really, as It may only be an occasional thing and having a GF can add up to be much more expensive in the end ..

Only thing is I found myself wanting her to stay this morning when she decided to leave at 10:30... Who wouldn't want a beautiful and highly sexy Thai chick to keep them company on a Saturday?

Starchild.. If I ask the Thais about it of course they don't have as many hang ups about it, but it is fairly easy for average Thai guys to get girlfriends from what I've seen... It may be a little harder for foreigners believe it or not. We are going on a trip with the boss of the place I'm working at now and he has offered to pay for me and him to use a hooker over there .

So overall it was a good experience... The girl was a tad whiny, and there is a danger of getting attached to them at the end. I

Good Job....Yeah...Its very easy for Thai's to get a Gf....They don't judge plus don't have the moral baggage like rest of us have...Life becomes less complicated if one goes Thai way of living...they have much positives attitudes towards life...

go with the flow..good luck

[MarcosZeitola]

I cannot speak from experience here, but it would be foolish to feel ashamed for something such a huge percentage of men do. Single men, married men, unmarried men, lonely men, business men on a trip... most will deny it when you ask them, most will be ashamed. Me, I don't do it because I am young, married and saving up money. But I could see myself in a situation where I would. I think most of us could, whether we admit it or not. And sure I have hang-ups too, and parts of it frankly gross me out, but they invented alcohol for that.

[tamdrin12]

Exactly Marcos... You have a good head on your shoulders... I did feel a little grossed out especially by some of the other men who I see going to the bars in Thailand. Definitely most people I don't want to be associated with here.. But there are normal good guys who are just checking things out for fun.. And your right... I have always been sufficiently intoxicated everytime I go P4P... at least the 2 times I did in Thailand.

[tamdrin12]

Using hookers is morally superior to seduction in every way and is recommended in the Bible (Proverbs 6:26). The reason that modern men oppose prostitution is because they are evil and seducing women is effectively a means of training yourself to be evil because sluts are attracted to evil men and by seducing sluts, you will gradually learn to be evil to attract them. Reject modern culture, follow the Bible, and use hookers.

can you post the quote to which you refer here?

[Yohan]

Should one feel ashamed about using P4P?

Well, we are all equals and as long as a woman offering her service against payment is not ashamed to ask for money, I see no reason why a man should be ashamed to pay for sex either.

It's Western feminist mindset to blame men paying for sex, while considering whores as the perfect example of 'female empowerment'.

[zboy1]

I don't condone prostitution but I believe it should be legalized in the United States. You would see a lot less angry, bitter and hopeless men in the country; not to mention you would see a lot less mass shootings going on, if it was ever completely legalized in all 50 States.

Of course, feminists don't want to see happy, satisfied men so it will never happen in my lifetime. ...

[MarcosZeitola]

I don't condone prostitution but I believe it should be legalized in the United States. You would see a lot less angry, bitter and hopeless men in the country; not to mention you would see a lot less mass shootings going on, if it was ever completely legalized in all 50 States.

Of course, feminists don't want to see happy, satisfied men so it will never happen in my lifetime. ...

While seeing a prostitute may very well relieve a man of his sexual frustration for a little while, it will not magically turn him into a happy, satisfied man. He will not stop being angry, bitter or hopeless either; after all, he knows that at the end of the day he is paying for something another man gets freely, and comes home to an empty house with an empty bed and no one to hold him.

Also, men who are horny enough will continue to see prostitutes anyway, whether it is legal or not. I think very few intoxicated horny men who get the opportunity to bang a hooker after a night out will stop and think "wait a minute, isn't this illegal? I better not do this". A man will get what he wants one way or another, whether he has to pay for it, fly for it or go to jail for it. But at the end of the day, prostitution cannot make up for a lack of love and companionship.

As a substitute, there is always porn. Cheapier, easier and you don't need to leave your house for it.

[tamdrin12]

I find porn completely uninteresting and unsatisfying. If anything it just makes you feel worse.. At least I live in Thailand where there are go go bars...

[MarcosZeitola]

I find p**n completely uninteresting and unsatisfying. If anything it just makes you feel worse.. At least I live in Thailand where there are go go bars...

Whatever works, works. As a married man and currently apart from my wife, it simply means no sex for me. The money I would spend on a prostitute in my country, we could live off for a whole week in hers, so it would be immoral for me to do so. When you are single and unbound, and money is not (that much of) an issue, you can go to all the bars and streets and dancers you wish without any guilt or shame.

Some solutions are less then ideal, but a man's got to do what a man's got to do.

[tamdrin12]

Marcos,
I don't understand your situation.. How long have you been apart from your wife for? Why did you get married if you couldn't stay with her? When are you planning to go back.

[MarcosZeitola]

Marcos,
I don't understand your situation.. How long have you been apart from your wife for?

I have been apart from her since January this year. We cannot physically be together because I have to make money for our family, and save up enough for me to permanently relocate to her country.

Why did you get married if you couldn't stay with her?

Because of love.

When are you planning to go back.

As soon as possible, probably by the summer. July or maybe August. Let's just say the whole ordeal is making me... a lot more understanding towards men who (have to) see prostitutes.

[fschmidt]

can you post the quote to which you refer here?

For a prostitute’s fee is only a loaf of bread,
but an adulteress goes after a precious life.
- Proverbs 6:26

[S_Parc]

While seeing a prostitute may very well relieve a man of his sexual frustration for a little while, it will not magically turn him into a happy, satisfied man. He will not stop being angry, bitter or hopeless either; after all, he knows that at the end of the day he is paying for something another man gets freely, and comes home to an empty house with an empty bed and no one to hold him.

Also, men who are horny enough will continue to see prostitutes anyway, whether it is legal or not. I think very few intoxicated horny men who get the opportunity to bang a hooker after a night out will stop and think "wait a minute, isn't this illegal? I better not do this". A man will get what he wants one way or another, whether he has to pay for it, fly for it or go to jail for it. But at the end of the day, prostitution cannot make up for a lack of love and companionship.

As a substitute, there is always p**n. Cheapier, easier and you don't need to leave your house for it.

Marcos, the only place where it's illegal is the middle of the North American sandwich, between Canada and Mexico. And p@rn is not a substitution. IMO, p@rn steals the very thing it's suppose to stimulate, one's mind's imagination. Once that imagination is gone (or deferred), then one's a passive spectator, watching a hokey X-rated soap opera. This is how men lose their ability to get erections over time because the mind gets disassociated and desensitized, at least that's the theory.

Mel and I have a very active imagination with our Jennifer Lopez look-a-like esc*rt. And being a Latin female, even she's now become envious of us, since she's never experienced such a happy and mercurial couple like us in a Menage-a-trios. I haven't watched p@rn in years and don't plan to, unless I'm the director

And also many, many men come home to an empty home. I see them all around me; some of them, get other male roommates, so that they can experience having a household of sorts. And these are men in their 20s to 60s. I'd say that many of these men are actually happier watching Monday Night football (that's American football, not soccer) with their male friends, over having women around. I'd say that those who stay in co-dependent and/or dysfunctional relationships to avoid the feelings of loneliness, need to really look in the mirror.

In my younger days, I'd say that hanging out with my male roommates, was the best thing about being in one's early twenties, not the toxic American dating scene. And in some ways, Mel has actually re-ignited that spirit in my life today, because she's from that time period, as well.

[tamdrin12]

If I knew how to post pictures I would post a pic of the girl I was with the other night.

[Traveler]

I think a lot depends on the attitude of the prostitute and what kind of service she provides. In some places, prostitutes can be very cold and business like and may provide a very rushed, wham bam thank you ma'am type of service. In a place like Thailand you can have enjoy a few drinks and spend some time getting to know the girl before enjoying any horizontal pleasures. You can get much more of a girlfriend type experience. I've known men who absolutely loved Thailand because of the nightlife there, but who say they would never pay for it in a western country. In a lot of societies the two main forms of sexual outlet have traditionally been marriage and P4P. Feeling ashamed about using P4P is a modern day anomaly.