Winston in China! Updates and Photos

[zboy1]

Honestly, Chinese girls can be a real dilemma and a major pain-in-the-ass sometimes. I think you'd be better off, Winston, with screwing around with those slutty, Chinese girls who only go for foreigners at KTV, expat bars and other places like that, because trying to get sex from traditional dating can be a really confusing, convoluted process.

Half the Chinese girls I've met here...have no idea what they want in life, and are always going from happy to angry to sad, in the blink of an eye. Sigh...LOL!

[smallcheese]

On our second date, things started going well too. We were like a couple, holding hands. I even carried her purse for her like a Chinese boyfriend does. She took me to a nice temple outside the city in a wooded area. After doing prayers and throwing incense sticks, I threw a coin into the top window of an incense pot for good luck, which many other people were trying to do as well. I was told that it would bring me good luck if I got it in. After five tries, I finally got it in. All the signs were in my favor. The universe was on my side finally, I thought. And this girl was my "lucky dragon" because I had found love already.

Then we walked down to the park and lake area below which had nice romantic backdrops. We sat for a long time on the benches and sitting areas of the park and lakes and talked about life while flirting with each other. After a while, I began hinting that this was a great place for a first kiss, and she playfully began shying away and playing hard to get, like women usually do. Several times while holding her, I leaned in to kiss her cheek, but she turned away. Finally I got a kiss on her cheek.

As dusk approached, she led us to a more secluded area where we hugged for a long time and then started making out. She grabbed my head and began french kissing me. Then I began necking her and she was really into it. We became like two lusty teenagers. For a while, we alternated between hugging, kissing and necking. At one point, during a long hug, she even whispered "I love you" into my ear. She clearly had feelings for me, and I was sure we were now a couple. No doubt about it.

She even got on top of me on the bench and began humping me for a while when she knew I was already hard (with our clothes on though). I was wondering if we were gonna do it right there, since it had already gotten dark. She even said, "I'm so hot now" while we were doing this, so we were both horny. I hoped we would do it later in my room. There seemed to be a good chance that we would go all the way soon.

After a while, she said that was enough and that she couldn't control herself. As we walked out of the park and down the road, she tried to deny that anything happened because she was ashamed of it.

You don't have much patience, do you? Traditional Chinese women are typically conservative and while you can get them all hot and bothered, once they stop they will feel ashamed. I told you before, this is not the Philippines anymore.

Of course there are slutty Chinese women that you could score with easily, even on a 2nd date. But is that the type of woman you want to marry?

I think you came off to her as too aggressive and because of your age difference, she might have gotten scared that a man with much more experience than her, was acting like a teenager in heat. You weren't acting like a mature man and if you had this little self control on a 2nd date, how would you act in other parts of your life? Women in Asia in general, want to marry a man who has a stable job and can make her feel secure and safe. They need to know that you can be trusted to be mature and in control. Being with someone who turns into a horny, out of control teenager on the 2nd date doesn't qualify.

How do I know that? Because she started asking you lots of serious questions afterwards. She was really looking for confirmation that her assessment of you was correct and you weren't the right man for her.

For women that you deem marriage material, slower is better. Don't go for sex right away. If you need to get your rocks off, then go to the KTVs where there are lots of slutty women, go to Macau massage parlors or masturbate in your room. After you've had your fill of sex, then go back to working on the women who you could imagine marrying one day.

Trust takes time to build. You must have patience Grasshopper.

[Winston]

smallcheese,
You said there was P4P in Zhuhai still. But I've been reading International Sex Guide forums and they say that there is a nationwide crackdown on P4P. Why? It's not like Chinese authorities are puritans, so why would they want to do that?

Are you still there is still P4P in Zhuhai? If so, how do I find it exactly? Does it consist of brothels or outcall girls? Outcall girls are risky and it feels awkward to have hotel staff see call girls go to your room.

What if I just go to a taxi driver and ask him if he knows any brothels and to take me to them? Isn't that the best way? Rock and I did that in Taiwan and it works.

[smallcheese]

smallcheese,
You said there was P4P in Zhuhai still. But I've been reading International Sex Guide forums and they say that there is a nationwide crackdown on P4P. Why? It's not like Chinese authorities are puritans, so why would they want to do that?

Are you still there is still P4P in Zhuhai? If so, how do I find it exactly? Does it consist of brothels or outcall girls? Outcall girls are risky and it feels awkward to have hotel staff see call girls go to your room.

What if I just go to a taxi driver and ask him if he knows any brothels and to take me to them? Isn't that the best way? Rock and I did that in Taiwan and it works.

No I'm not in Zhuhai now. Basically there are brothels and massage parlors where you can pick up women. Since you know Mandarin, it would be easy for you to ask a taxi driver (make sure it's a guy). They would know the best places to go, though they might get a kickback from places that they bring guys to.

If you're still not sure and you want guaranteed safety (like not getting arrested), since you're in Zhuhai already, you can always cross over to Macau. If you have your U.S. passport with you, you should be able to go into Macau visa free. Once in Macau, ask any taxi driver to bring you to a massage parlor. These places are much larger, well organized and safe for men.

18 is one where you can choose from a lineup of 60+ beautiful women. Most of them are Asian (Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai) though there are a few Russians there too. Massage parlors like 18 have comfortable lounge chairs, free food and non alcoholic drinks and you can stay and eat there as long as you like. I've known guys who sleep there for hours between rounds with women. They also offer non sex services like manicures, facial massages and cock massages. However if you do the cock massage, the women will never get you off because it's against the rules. The parlors want you to spend more money in one on one sessions with a woman. Some massage parlors even have a menu of sex services offered by a woman you select. You basically check off the types of activities that you want, e.g. hot and cold BJs, 69, anal. There are dozens of massage parlors in Macau just like 18 so you can't miss.

If you want to see pictures of the types of women in the massage parlors (or saunas), check out this site: http://go141.com/
Then go to the section on Macau. While not all of the photos are accurate (many have been photoshopped to make women look their best), I don't think you'll be disappointed by their quality. But seeing the women right in front of your face while you browse a lineup is a much better (and more fun) way to choose.

I used to go to Macau often when I was single but I don't need to do that anymore.

P.S. All of the women use condoms so there's no getting around that unless you're a seriously good negotiator. Remember you're not in the Philippines anymore.

[Winston]

Thanks smallcheese. I've mentioned that 141 site before. I'm not in Zhuhai now. I said I was heading there. It's on my list of stops.

As to Macau, if I went there, wouldn't it be like exiting China? My visa would expire and I'd have to get a new one, even though it only cost about $25. How much is P4P in Macau for full service? And how much in Zhuhai? I'd imagine it will be more expensive in Macau? Are the girls GFE's or do they look unhappy and try to do the least amount possible?

Some P4P Chinese girls have bad attitudes and try to avoid giving me what I want and paid for. Some want me to lay down and not touch her while she gives me a BJ or HJ, which doesn't arouse me. I need to kiss her around the face and neck and chest first to get aroused. That's my style. But many refuse to let me do that. Or they sometimes try to waste the whole hour by giving me a massage only, or they stay in the shower for as long as they can until I tell them to come out, or they try to make me cilmax by a hand job instead of sex, etc. Sometimes they would waste valuable time arguing with me about all the above. That happened in Taiwan sometimes, so Chinese P4P girls aren't always cooperative. So you see, even P4P girls try to avoid sex with me after they've agreed to it. That's how bad my luck can be.

As to the girl that dumped me after liking me, she asked serious questions the whole time from the beginning. I gave the right answers such as "Yeah I'm looking for a serious relationship that leads to marriage." Sure, why not? The problem was that I was not settled in Shenzhen and lived in a hotel as a tourist, so I could take off anytime, which she saw as unstable, no matter what I said. It was only after making out in the park, while we were having dinner, that she demanded and insisted that she see my ID card or passport. That's when she made a fuss about it and it was no longer a joking matter to put aside.

But she kept contradicting herself. First she said she was afraid I'd leave Shenzhen and leave her behind. Then she said that she didn't want to live in Shenzhen, so if I stayed there, I would be on my own. Etc. So she wasn't exactly honest either. And she made a lot of promises she broke too. So she's not exactly a stable mature girl either. So don't make her out to be a serious mature woman.

She also lied about her age and used fake pictures online too. She seems to have a passive aggressive personality and a hot temper too. I don't mind a hot temper if the person is angry justifiably and has a right to be, but she was angry about trivial things that made no sense, such as me asking for my power bank charger back. No one in love argues about little things. Only people who are unhappy and looking for a reason to get rid of someone will resort to arguing about little things. We all know that.

[Winston]

smallcheese,
Is this sex guide to Shenzhen on WSG outdated?

http://www.worldsexguide.com/forum/show ... n-sexguide.

Also, what about using Craigslist to find escorts? There seem to be some hot ones in the Shenzhen section.

http://shenzhen.craigslist.com.cn/search/w4m
http://shenzhen.craigslist.com.cn/search/cas?query=w4m

[smallcheese]

smallcheese,
Is this sex guide to Shenzhen on WSG outdated?

http://www.worldsexguide.com/forum/show ... n-sexguide.

Also, what about using Craigslist to find escorts? There seem to be some hot ones in the Shenzhen section.

http://shenzhen.craigslist.com.cn/search/w4m
http://shenzhen.craigslist.com.cn/search/cas?query=w4m

Yes, that sex guide to Shenzhen is outdated. You might find better info in the Chinese section on 141 for Hong Kong.

Personally I don't trust Craigslist. Anyone can post anything on that, even guys.

[smallcheese]

Thanks smallcheese. I've mentioned that 141 site before. I'm not in Zhuhai now. I said I was heading there. It's on my list of stops.

As to Macau, if I went there, wouldn't it be like exiting China? My visa would expire and I'd have to get a new one, even though it only cost about $25. How much is P4P in Macau for full service? And how much in Zhuhai? I'd imagine it will be more expensive in Macau? Are the girls GFE's or do they look unhappy and try to do the least amount possible?

Some P4P Chinese girls have bad attitudes and try to avoid giving me what I want and paid for. Some want me to lay down and not touch her while she gives me a BJ or HJ, which doesn't arouse me. I need to kiss her around the face and neck and chest first to get aroused. That's my style. But many refuse to let me do that. Or they sometimes try to waste the whole hour by giving me a massage only, or they stay in the shower for as long as they can until I tell them to come out, or they try to make me cilmax by a hand job instead of sex, etc. Sometimes they would waste valuable time arguing with me about all the above. That happened in Taiwan sometimes, so Chinese P4P girls aren't always cooperative. So you see, even P4P girls try to avoid sex with me after they've agreed to it. That's how bad my luck can be.

As to the girl that dumped me after liking me, she asked serious questions the whole time from the beginning. I gave the right answers such as "Yeah I'm looking for a serious relationship that leads to marriage." Sure, why not? The problem was that I was not settled in Shenzhen and lived in a hotel as a tourist, so I could take off anytime, which she saw as unstable, no matter what I said. It was only after making out in the park, while we were having dinner, that she demanded and insisted that she see my ID card or passport. That's when she made a fuss about it and it was no longer a joking matter to put aside.

But she kept contradicting herself. First she said she was afraid I'd leave Shenzhen and leave her behind. Then she said that she didn't want to live in Shenzhen, so if I stayed there, I would be on my own. Etc. So she wasn't exactly honest either. And she made a lot of promises she broke too. So she's not exactly a stable mature girl either. So don't make her out to be a serious mature woman.

She also lied about her age and used fake pictures online too. She seems to have a passive aggressive personality and a hot temper too. I don't mind a hot temper if the person is angry justifiably and has a right to be, but she was angry about trivial things that made no sense, such as me asking for my power bank charger back. No one in love argues about little things. Only people who are unhappy and looking for a reason to get rid of someone will resort to arguing about little things. We all know that.

Yes, going to Macau counts as an exit from China on your visa. Do you know if you'll be going back and forth to China over the next decade? For U.S. citizens, they've changed the law recently where a U.S. citizen can get a 10 year China visa that allows you to go as many times as you'd like. It costs about $350 USD which comes out to $35 a year for unlimited entries. A very good deal if you know how much they charged Americans in the past for visas.

Costs for P4P in Macau massage parlors varies greatly but usually it's at least $1000 HKD and can go up over $2000 HKD per session with a woman. But that's still cheaper than the Bunny Ranch you went to in Vegas. In Zhuhai it's cheaper by about 10-15%. If you do make it to Macau, a better bargain in terms of massage parlors is Darlings. You pay less than many massage parlors and your session is 90 minutes instead of the usual 60 minutes. But they don't have the nice, comfortable lounge chairs or free food and drink like the other parlors have. It's strictly go in, look at the lineup (different color swimsuits designate what country the women are from, ask the manager), pick a woman and then you'll go to a room where you'll have your fun.

It's hit or miss if you're looking for GFE from the women. But Chinese women are definitely colder and more businesslike, even in Macau. I've always found the Vietnamese and Thai women to be more GFE like and much hotter in terms of having sex with you. Chinese P4P women are usually much more mechanical and clinical, which is a huge turnoff. They're also much hairier down in the box than their Vietnamese and Thai counterparts, if that's important to you.

It sounds like you met a nutcase in China so count yourself lucky that you got out of that fairly quickly. I wouldn't waste time with a flaky woman like that. How long are you planning to be in China? What other cities are you planning to go to? I think you'll need to invest a lot of time (at least several months) before you can find a woman that you think is ideal for you and you would marry.

[WorldTraveler]

These big breasted girls on AFA are models. You'll never get a date with one of them. Here's one of them near you. Winston, try to get a date with her.

http://www.loveme.com/women/info153343.htm

[The_Adventurer]

If I had to make some guesses, Winston, they would be these:

1. She told her parents about you, (and the age difference) and they disapprove. Even if she was totally in love with you, Chinese girls will follow their parents to the letter, even unto unhappiness. I have had it happen both ways. Once a waitress I had a good rap port with, at a cafe I frequented, came to me, so happy, and said she told her parents about me and they really like me. In her mind it was ON because of that. I also had a girl who really liked me and her parents disapproved and that was the end of it. I also have a number of friends who are in horribly bad situations (boyfriend/husband cheats, beats etc.) and they stay because their parents say so.

2. She told her friends about you and they disapprove. Not as big a deal as parents, but if they are constantly telling her foreigners are players, will leave etc. it can wear her down. Combine that with what happened at the park, and her shame because of it, she may really think she made a mistake.

3. The fortune teller really told her something bad. Some people really believe that stuff.

BTW you wrote, "but she was angry about trivial things that made no sense..". You better get used to it. I don't know a single girl who isn't like that here. (Well, okay, I know ONE, but only one)

[celery2010]

First of all, get out of Shenzhen. Let me repeat, get out of Shenzhen.

Second: Women who use dating sites can be atypical to say the least. She sounds like she has issues. Who in their right mind puts an older age in their profile? Which leads to....

Third: There are literally millions upon millions of girls in China. Some women will have a negative reaction to you and dislike you and not treat you well. But some will be shockingly nice and open. You should have moved on after you had the 1st after meeting after you had issues big issues, unless you really have a thing for her.

Fourth, i have met women from all over China. And consistently ones from Shenzhen are the most difficult. Even Shanghai women are nicer.

Fifth, P4P: Again get out of the greater Shenzhen area, that's all i need to say.

You are doing the equivalent of going to Miami or Manhattan looking for nice women. Go to a more typical place and you will get very different results.

And again, some women will not go for you. Do not worry about it, and just move to the next girl. Life if too short. There WILL be a woman who is interested in a foreigner. You just need to find her.

[droid]

What a great thread! Even Adventurer came back.

+1 celery2010 spake pure truth here, I couldn't agree more.

This is all very informative, but everyone is wasting too much saliva on this one girl. Just NEXT!! her Winston, you don't have to second-guess and micromanage your actions like in the west. There's 10^7 more girls to choose from, that's the beauty of it all.

[Winston]

These big breasted girls on AFA are models. You'll never get a date with one of them. Here's one of them near you. Winston, try to get a date with her.

http://www.loveme.com/women/info153343.htm

That's not a model. Come on. It's just a big breasted Chinese woman. Not out of our league either.

At least she claims to be non-materialistic. lol

Self Description: I come from guangzhou, was born in jewelry merchant family, received a good education, is now engaged in jewelry design. I love travel, music, feel the world in many countries of the geographic amorous feelings, I yearn for a sympathetic person hand out auspicious in romantic beach, bath from zhaohui sunset, to experience life joy and peace.

Comments: I don't need your money, hope here can meet a mature, gentle, love my men grow together, hand in hand together to enjoy a wonderful life!

[Winston]

If I had to make some guesses, Winston, they would be these:

1. She told her parents about you, (and the age difference) and they disapprove. Even if she was totally in love with you, Chinese girls will follow their parents to the letter, even unto unhappiness. I have had it happen both ways. Once a waitress I had a good rap port with, at a cafe I frequented, came to me, so happy, and said she told her parents about me and they really like me. In her mind it was ON because of that. I also had a girl who really liked me and her parents disapproved and that was the end of it. I also have a number of friends who are in horribly bad situations (boyfriend/husband cheats, beats etc.) and they stay because their parents say so.

2. She told her friends about you and they disapprove. Not as big a deal as parents, but if they are constantly telling her foreigners are players, will leave etc. it can wear her down. Combine that with what happened at the park, and her shame because of it, she may really think she made a mistake.

3. The fortune teller really told her something bad. Some people really believe that stuff.

BTW you wrote, "but she was angry about trivial things that made no sense..". You better get used to it. I don't know a single girl who isn't like that here. (Well, okay, I know ONE, but only one)

But that doesn't make sense though. She was already pulling away and moody before she ever had a chance to talk to her parents. It began in the tea house when she asked for my ID and began to look moody and later claimed that I was rude for asking for my phone charger back. Also when I saw her again, she didn't have the "I love but my parents don't approve" look on her face. She had the "the feeling is gone" type of look on her face.

It seems more likely that since she knew we were about to get deeper into it since she was going to visit my room that night, that she wanted to see my ID card to see my age to see if she could handle our age difference before we went all the way. When she found out the truth, she couldn't handle it so she lied and said it was ok, and then began to distance herself from me.

Another possibility is that only her conscious mind liked me, but her subconscious mind didn't, and eventually convinced her conscious mind not to like. Or she may have been in love with the idea of being in love, and not with me, since she was lonely and desperate and said she hadn't had a relationship in three years.

The fortune teller was spooky. There was a warning tone in her voice. It was like out of a horror movie. I don't know why she didn't try to sell her service to other couples there. Weird. The universe likes to single me out for some reason.

What a great thread! Even Adventurer came back.

+1 celery2010 spake pure truth here, I couldn't agree more.

This is all very informative, but everyone is wasting too much saliva on this one girl. Just NEXT!! her Winston, you don't have to second-guess and micromanage your actions like in the west. There's 10^7 more girls to choose from, that's the beauty of it all.

He came back because I sent the story out to my mailing list, which he's probably on.

It's not easy for me to "next her" because I get attached to someone easily if I fall for them. Remember I fall in love easily and invest my emotions easily. I'm too eager for romance and not practical about it. Also since I have no other good prospects at the moment, it's harder to forget her. Furthermore, she aroused me and riled me up, without completion or climax, so I felt like I was "left hanging".

The odd thing is that she is now vindictive toward me and has blocked me from all the chat apps, which Chinese girls often do when they get into an argument with you. I find it weird that a girl would be vindictive toward me when I did nothing wrong. Obviously, if a girl argues about little things, then dumps you and cannot recover from it, and then acts vindictive toward you after that, she really must have mental and psychological problems.

[Winston]

smallcheese,
Thanks for the info on Macau. Is Macau as expensive as Hong Kong? Do you have to take a ferry to get there from Zhuhai? Is it on an island?

I have a few more questions:

1. Ethan_sg told me that he's slept with a number of Chinese girls he's dated here and went all the way. He said it's not true that they only sleep with you if they plan to marry you. They sleep with you if they like you and see some potential with you. So then, why did the guys here make it sound like I can't get sex in China unless I plan to marry the girl? Yet he gets sex while he's dating the girls, which is what I was hoping and planning for. So why then do you guys make it sound like my expectation of having sex during the dating process is unrealistic?

2. Suppose I got married in China and then realized it was a mistake. Is it easy to get a divorce in China? Or would you have to spend a lot of money and pay attorneys, etc?