Loyalty in Filipinas

[mentor]

Lots of people with experiences with good and respective asian girls, talk about their loyalty.
I am especially interested in filipinas, but it seems that loyalty is a main value for all the surrounding asian countries.
I am talking about serious long term relationships.

I would like to have a discussion about this 'loyalty' topic, what does it really means for these girls, and what someone would expect from a serious girl with loyalty.

[Zambales]

A loyal Filipina will expect loyalty back. Anything less and hubby could be off to the cemetery quicker than he thought. Do not underestimate them.

[Johnny1975]

What if you tell them you'll be loyal but you want to see and have sex with other girls on the side?

[mentor]

A friend of mine, told me that the good girls, are so good, that even if they never worked in their lives in formal jobs,
if the husband for any reason cannot work anymore (for example-an accident), a filipina could make any work, get back to the house and give the money to the husband!
I was shocked when I heard it.

Most westernized girls, would have abandoned the man, and leave him helpless, in the vast majority of cases.

[davewe]

What if you tell them you'll be loyal but you want to see and have sex with other girls on the side?

Time for the bolo

Filipinas do not consider that loyalty. Hell, even I don't consider that loyalty. Some may tolerate it (Filipinos are notorious cheaters) but many will not - and they definitely will not tolerate it with a foreigner. Of course there are always exceptions, but as I say, I would watch out for the bolo.

[Hero]

A lot of Filipinas have no problem playing the field until the day they get engaged (or even married). I don't know about after they're married.

[Johnny1975]

What if you tell them you'll be loyal but you want to see and have sex with other girls on the side?

Time for the bolo

Filipinas do not consider that loyalty. Hell, even I don't consider that loyalty. Some may tolerate it (Filipinos are notorious cheaters) but many will not - and they definitely will not tolerate it with a foreigner. Of course there are always exceptions, but as I say, I would watch out for the bolo.

You mean that they'll tolerate it less with a foreigner because they have higher expectations and would therefore be disappointed, or is there some other reason?

[davewe]

What if you tell them you'll be loyal but you want to see and have sex with other girls on the side?

Time for the bolo

Filipinas do not consider that loyalty. Hell, even I don't consider that loyalty. Some may tolerate it (Filipinos are notorious cheaters) but many will not - and they definitely will not tolerate it with a foreigner. Of course there are always exceptions, but as I say, I would watch out for the bolo.

You mean that they'll tolerate it less with a foreigner because they have higher expectations and would therefore be disappointed, or is there some other reason?

I don't know why you think they ought to tolerate it. But my point is that one of the stereotypes (whether true or not) about foreign men is that they are more faithful than Pinoys. Some Filipinas are interested in foreigners based on that notion. But if you tell her in advance you're gonna sleep with others - well she can get that same thing from a Pinoy.

[Johnny1975]

What if you tell them you'll be loyal but you want to see and have sex with other girls on the side?

Time for the bolo

Filipinas do not consider that loyalty. Hell, even I don't consider that loyalty. Some may tolerate it (Filipinos are notorious cheaters) but many will not - and they definitely will not tolerate it with a foreigner. Of course there are always exceptions, but as I say, I would watch out for the bolo.

You mean that they'll tolerate it less with a foreigner because they have higher expectations and would therefore be disappointed, or is there some other reason?

I don't know why you think they ought to tolerate it. But my point is that one of the stereotypes (whether true or not) about foreign men is that they are more faithful than Pinoys. Some Filipinas are interested in foreigners based on that notion. But if you tell her in advance you're gonna sleep with others - well she can get that same thing from a Pinoy.

I'm not saying that they should. But it would be nice. I just think it's better for a man to not limit himself to having sex with one woman for the rest of his life. I would have thought that some filipinas would be ok with a man having sex on the side just as long as he's loyal in every other way (provides, doesn't leave her).

[Hero]

I even knew a married Filipina who hinted to me that she'd like to have a fling with me. She told me to let her know when I'd be visiting the Philippines again, and she'd be my tour guide. I'd bet there are quite a few married Filipinas who'd have an affair with a American man.

[Gadfly]

What if you tell them you'll be loyal but you want to see and have sex with other girls on the side?

Time for the bolo

Filipinas do not consider that loyalty. Hell, even I don't consider that loyalty. Some may tolerate it (Filipinos are notorious cheaters) but many will not - and they definitely will not tolerate it with a foreigner. Of course there are always exceptions, but as I say, I would watch out for the bolo.

You mean that they'll tolerate it less with a foreigner because they have higher expectations and would therefore be disappointed, or is there some other reason?

I don't know why you think they ought to tolerate it. But my point is that one of the stereotypes (whether true or not) about foreign men is that they are more faithful than Pinoys. Some Filipinas are interested in foreigners based on that notion. But if you tell her in advance you're gonna sleep with others - well she can get that same thing from a Pinoy.

I'm not saying that they should. But it would be nice. I just think it's better for a man to not limit himself to having sex with one woman for the rest of his life. I would have thought that some filipinas would be ok with a man having sex on the side just as long as he's loyal in every other way (provides, doesn't leave her).

Do you even bother to think before you write?

First you say: "I'm not saying that [Filipinas] should [tolerate men cheating]..."

thus falsely implying agreement that Filipinas shouldn't tolerate it. So right off the bat, you're dishonest.

Because then you say, "it's better for a man to not limit himself to having sex with one woman for the rest of his life."

Well, if it's "better," then logically Filipinas should tolerate men cheating. Right?

Or is it "better" more for one party than for the other?

And if it's "better," why go through the motions of pledging fidelity to her in marriage?

And if it's "better," why hasn't this view (presumably shared by many of your fellow men) been put into widespread practice in your own society? With your own women? You see how stupid your post is?

FYI women everywhere tend to be jealous and possessive of their one man. Why Filipinas would be the exception to this natural rule is a mystery to me. I don't know where you get this idea that Filipinas will accept infidelity and disloyalty, while your women (or any other women) won't. Not only does that sound self-serving, that also makes absolutely no sense at all.

Many men who don't want attachments go to prostitutes. There's plenty of that in the Philippines, and that might actually be your thing. It's obvious you don't have enough experience with women (or just life experience in general) to understand what the word "loyalty" is. Otherwise you never would have written up your post in the first place.

[Ghost]

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[mentor]

I would like to focus on how loyal the good filipina girls are.
Not about the guys.
The normal expectation of course, is that the guy also should be loyal.
I heard some stories that even the good girls are tolerant.

When I opened the topic, I have in my mind another aspect of this whole thing called loyalty, like their 'faith' and commitment to the one she loves, their devotion to the man and the serious relationship, their efforts to keep alive the relationship and give and take satisfaction and happiness and so on.

I would like to have a discussion in these topics, I think they are loyalty's aspects too.

[The_Adventurer]

FYI women everywhere tend to be jealous and possessive of their one man. Why Filipinas would be the exception to this natural rule is a mystery to me. I don't know where you get this idea that Filipinas will accept infidelity and disloyalty, while your women (or any other women) won't. Not only does that sound self-serving, that also makes absolutely no sense at all.

Not to sound like I condone such behaviour, but it is an often told story in many parts of Asia that as long as the husband is discreet about it, and doesn't embarrass the family in any way, the wife will tolerate him playing on the side.

Loyalty in women is an illusion. That said, their choices will be influenced by their upbringing and what the culture says is acceptable.

Loyalty is part of confucian teachings in China and is a huge part of their culture. I have seen some Chinese women remain loyal through some incredibly horrible things, even the husband having a baby with another woman.

[Johnny1975]

Do you even bother to think before you write?

First you say: "I'm not saying that [Filipinas] should [tolerate men cheating]..."

thus falsely implying agreement that Filipinas shouldn't tolerate it. So right off the bat, you're dishonest.

Because then you say, "it's better for a man to not limit himself to having sex with one woman for the rest of his life."

Well, if it's "better," then logically Filipinas should tolerate men cheating. Right?

Or is it "better" more for one party than for the other?

And if it's "better," why go through the motions of pledging fidelity to her in marriage?

And if it's "better," why hasn't this view (presumably shared by many of your fellow men) been put into widespread practice in your own society? With your own women? You see how stupid your post is?

FYI women everywhere tend to be jealous and possessive of their one man. Why Filipinas would be the exception to this natural rule is a mystery to me. I don't know where you get this idea that Filipinas will accept infidelity and disloyalty, while your women (or any other women) won't. Not only does that sound self-serving, that also makes absolutely no sense at all.

Many men who don't want attachments go to prostitutes. There's plenty of that in the Philippines, and that might actually be your thing. It's obvious you don't have enough experience with women (or just life experience in general) to understand what the word "loyalty" is. Otherwise you never would have written up your post in the first place.

I usually put in some effort in responding to people who grossly misunderstand every word I say. I try to explain precisely what they misunderstood and why. I take as long as it takes. But I'm not going to do it now. No way. It would be an utter waste of my time. A well thought out response has to be earned. You have not earned one.